waahoooo stirred a little debate here.

Right I think I didn't make it 100% clear in my first post. This was not from a total standing start it was off a roundabout, the CTR hit the gas first to start the "game" it was second in which I cained him and third at the end of my third stint that the CTR started to edge away. I know how good the CTR's are as I used to work for honda, top end of the VTEC is amazing, if I didn't do the miles I would be tempted to have won!

Dont get me wrong the CTR would have killed me from a standing start, and and was trying as he was showing off to his woman!

I dont think any of us are really compairing a 12K car with a 16k car (spec for spec prices?) I was simply pointed out how impressed I was that my little fabia held it's own!

I've been beaten my a 1.2 corsa when I haven't been paying attention. Any car can been beaten if driven badly shift up too soon or late and you have wasted valueble 10th of a second :P

I had a go at a Porsche Carrera Turbo S coming out of some roadworks on the motorway. Just for fun, like. I was ahead for about one or maybe two seconds (presumably because I'd made sure my turbo was turning, and perhaps his wasn't at first). Anyway, after my initial delight, I was well and truly blown into the weeds - I have to say I've never seen something move so fast! :eek: I was scared, and I wasn't even in the thing!!!

Just to big up an 12k car, the Clio 172/182 on the Top Gear test track lapped in 1 min 34 as opposed to the Civic Type R's 136, both driven by the Stig. Also, in 10 of the best in AutoExpress the Clio 182 laps 2.6 seconds faster than a Civic Type R due to it's steering which apparently lacks feel (I have never driven one so am unsure), but if an 12k car new can beat a 16k car brand new then im sure with a little tweaking the Fabia vRS can match a CTR and Ross Clarke's would beat them hands down 0-60 or top speed (however this is unfair admittadly as he has seriously modded his Fabia vRS). Also, something which isnt mentioned often is that AutoExpress clocked the new Clio 182 as 0-62 in 6.3 whereas the Civic Type R's was 6.4, to 100 mph the Civic Type R was 0.1 of a second faster.

Just some stats for you all. Yes undoubtably they are very fast, but I wouldnt say they are manic, especially for all the weight saving they have (aircon is an option etc), whereas the 182 gets Half Leather Interior, Xenons, Rain Sensing Wipers/Auto Lights, Climate, Cruise, 4 airbags, ESP and still weighs in at just 1100 kg. Wait until the 11k Cup version of the 182 comes out, good for 5.5 seconds to 60 I hear, and yes it can supposidly keep pace with an FQ-330 around the nurembourg ring

On a stop start overtaking manovere. The CTR won't be leaving a chipped VRS for dead no. But if it is a balls out straight line drag, then it's always going to end in tears for the VRS i'm afraid. Especially as the speeds get higher.

At the top end the speed range extra horses of the ctr come in to play as do aerodynamics - all things being equal bigger cars have better aerodynamics than smaller ones do -so I agree.

The VRS will not match you off the blocks, or after about 90mph.

In the middle though we can certainly rattle a few cages...AND...it so happens it is in the middle I spend most of my time driving..happy days!

Just to big up an 12k car' date=' the Clio 172/182 on the Top Gear test track lapped in 1 min 34 as opposed to the Civic Type R's 136, both driven by the Stig. Also, in 10 of the best in AutoExpress the Clio 182 laps 2.6 seconds faster than a Civic Type R due to it's steering which apparently lacks feel (I have never driven one so am unsure), but if an 12k car new can beat a 16k car brand new then im sure with a little tweaking the Fabia vRS can match a CTR and Ross Clarke's would beat them hands down 0-60 or top speed (however this is unfair admittadly as he has seriously modded his Fabia vRS). Also, something which isnt mentioned often is that AutoExpress clocked the new Clio 182 as 0-62 in 6.3 whereas the Civic Type R's was 6.4, to 100 mph the Civic Type R was 0.1 of a second faster.

Just some stats for you all. Yes undoubtably they are very fast, but I wouldnt say they are manic, especially for all the weight saving they have (aircon is an option etc), whereas the 182 gets Half Leather Interior, Xenons, Rain Sensing Wipers/Auto Lights, Climate, Cruise, 4 airbags, ESP and still weighs in at just 1100 kg. Wait until the 11k Cup version of the 182 comes out, good for 5.5 seconds to 60 I hear, and yes it can supposidly keep pace with an FQ-330 around the nurembourg ring [/quote']

Well, where do I start. For a start, the 182 was driven by a different Stig to the CTR on a different day. Plus I never take any Top Gear tests as bible, as they are sooooooo rehersed. (They seem to think the a RX8 is quicker round the track than a E46 M3 :eek: .

The Autocar Test on the 182 and CTR...

The 0-100-0 test had the two side by side and the CTR was over a second faster by the 100 mark. 0-60 means nothing nowadays IMO.

The track shootout I read had the two getting IDENTICAL times, i've still got it upstairs somewhere that I can dig out if needs be.

Just because the 12K 182 can give a CTR a headache, doesn't automatically mean that the Fabia will. The 182 weighs nearly 200kgs less then the Fabia and has 52bhp more. You do the math! As for the 182 Cup... It's only 15-20kgs less then the standard 182 (pointless really), so I can hardly see it knocking nearly a second off the 0-60, can you?

I love these debates...

I'd probably have a go at a CTR' date=' but not from a standing start. Once rolling, in a straight line, I reckon I could probably keep up. If it was cross country, I reckon mine might be faster.

However as has been pointed out, a lot of it comes down to the driver. Get a decent driver in a CTR and I reckon it will have a Furby or mine. A modded Octy? No, sorry, my old one regularly beat them, I was running in the 13s IIRC at the Pod. Did try one out at the Ring, mine was about 15-20 seconds quicker per lap, so fairly close really.

Must say, I am a big fan of VTEC engines, although I'm not keen on the newer version (I-VTEC???), find that the step from off to on cam isn't as pronounced as it used to be in the either the old CRX VTEC or the ITR. I preferred the older more aggressive switch, guess it is because it mimiced the old big turbo cars I used to drive. You had to think more about your driving to get the most out of it.[/quote']

13 second 1/4 mile @ Pod in an Octavia???

I'm assuming that this one is knocking on 300+bhp then? Cause if not, then I can't see it myself....

Well erm.. funny you should say that..

13 second 1/4 mile @ Pod in an Octavia???

I'm assuming that this one is knocking on 300+bhp then? Cause if not' date=' then I can't see it myself....[/quote']

Then you should have gone to Specsavers...

What's your agenda then?

Eh?

Just wondering why you seem to have a bird up your ar5e about TypeR performance against other cars....does it really matter ?

By the way, have you ever had this sort of discussion on any other forums (fora? sp?)...in the year since you apparently last posted on here ? (until this thread )

If so, what sort of conclusions did you and anyone else reach ?

It's only a bit of banter mate. I'm hardly on here to get anyone's back up (not intentionally anyway).

Like the signature by the way!

Glad to hear that

By the way, have you ever thought of challenging the Fabia crowd to say....

A "Shoot-out at the Pod" ??

And did the UK Mk1V's crowd ever take the bait on that particular challenge?

I'd be up for that mate...

Nobody seemed to be interested on the MkIV site. Shame really, as the CTR v's LCR shoot out day we had, was a good laugh..

Err, just one thing: since when has the RenaultSport Clio ever cost GBP 12K? Even the 'Cup' version costs around GBP 14K. Half of me is with pbirkett on this one - you can't compare a Furby vRS with a CTR or a 182, 'cos they don't cost the same, and the Furby isn't meant to be a super-hot hatch anyway.

Then again, the other half of me says: Let's see how a Furby vRS with GBP 2000 worth of mods gets on against a 182, or one with GBP 4000 worth of mods gets on against a CTR. Then you might have a level playing field IMHO...

Plus, I'd like to see you get two adults or a baby seat in the back of a 182 or a CTR!

Plus, I'd like to see you get two adults or a baby seat in the back of a 182 or a CTR!

I made several long trips in my CTR with 4 adults very comfortably. They're massive inside, felt much roomier than my Golf. If you're refering to the 3dr aspect it really isn't a problem as the doors are big and there's room to step in and turn around.

I made several long trips in my CTR with 4 adults very comfortably. They're massive inside, felt much roomier than my Golf. If you're refering to the 3dr aspect it really isn't a problem as the doors are big and there's room to step in and turn around.

OK, I stand corrected on that point...

Glad to hear that

By the way' date=' have you ever thought of challenging the Fabia crowd to say....

A "Shoot-out at the Pod" ??

And did the UK Mk1V's crowd ever take the bait on that particular challenge? [/quote']

Where is this POD place ? Ive no doubt its a long way from me , but Id love to come down and see one of these "shoot outs" especially if it involves vRS's :grouphug:

Santa Pod mate. Near Northampton.

No point really, remapped VRs owners readily concede that they will not win off the line. The powerful but (relatively) gutless ctr is much more vulnerable in a midrange challenge where having close to double the torque makes an impact.

I love the typr r, really do, the fab will not compete in any other performance measure but it is still amusing to see the horror on the ctr drivers face when they have just flown past two lorries on an overtake and see you still right behind them.

Unlike santa pod this it is entertainment you can have on a very regular basis and costs nothing.

What is the 30-70mph (Through the gears) figure for the vRS, or even better a chipped vRS? Because if they are as powerfull in the midrange as you say, then it'll be alot quicker than the 5.8-6.0 secs that the CTR manages. But I don't think it's even close to that from what i've seen. But I maybe wrong...

What is the 30-70mph (Through the gears) figure for the vRS, or even better a chipped vRS? Because if they are as powerfull in the midrange as you say, then it'll be alot quicker than the 5.8-6.0 secs that the CTR manages. But I don't think it's even close to that from what i've seen. But I maybe wrong...

Well one of my "messing about" tests with the ap22 has recorded 5.77 30-70

but because it was wet, and i was struggling for traction in 3rd.. i could probably do it faster

CHILL OUT PEOPLE.....just enjoy whatever you drive and to hell with what beats what....I'm sure there are forums out there where drivers of other cars are saying "hey i gave a furby vRS a run last night but was beat badly".........unless you buy a top top supercar (McLaren F1) there will always be something faster. As it is we drive pretty swift motors, chipped or standard.

I'm not knocking your debate guys, just reminding you that what we have is pretty special too. :soapbox:

CHILL OUT PEOPLE.....just enjoy whatever you drive and to hell with what beats what....I'm sure there are forums out there where drivers of other cars are saying "hey i gave a furby vRS a run last night but was beat badly".........unless you buy a top top supercar (McLaren F1) there will always be something faster. As it is we drive pretty swift motors' date=' chipped or standard.

I'm not knocking your debate guys, just reminding you that what we have is pretty special too. :soapbox:[/quote']

I agree. was mearly replying to a post

I love my car to bits and couldnt care less if XXX car is faster/handles better. its just nice to know that performance/

It's only a bit of banter mate, don't worry. If there wasn't people like me that liked a nice debate. Then threads would be far to short and boring cause everybody would agree with one another.

True, debate is good and I wasn't knocking any of it. If you are anything like me and felt pretty special/exclusive/smug everytime you sat in the driving seat you'd understand what I was trying to say. Honestly, I wouldn't swap my fab vRS for a Civic type R or any other 'warm/hot hatch'. If I wanted anything else I could have easily have gone for one, as it is I love the 'exclusivity' of my fab, added to the price, mpg, performance and there ain't a car out there that tops it.....IM(humble)O. How many times do I see other motorists/pedestrians look in awe at my vRS and probably because apart from anything else they've never even seen one before......MARVELLOUS