More Rubbish Work by "Professionals" YEA RIGHT!

[billy2981]

Ok what do you think of this?

A while back I found a few things that needed doing on my car and everything came at once.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/149560-it-really-doesnt-seem-to-be-my-year/

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/150223-help-please-again/

While doing the service and suspension cleanup I noticed play in the CV joint that needed a new boot.(This one was fitted by A and A back in 2007/8 cant remember off top of my head) So I decided to use OE parts to put the car back to how it should be.

Booked it in to A and A all fine cost me £136 for:

CV joint and boot fitting

Brake fluid change(they F****D the up and second attempt was no better)

Full Geometry check

Now all seemed fine and I WAS happy with everything apart from the Brakes

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/151196-hfs-what-are-they-doing/

Now I said to Steve Id let him know how the Team Dynamics Pro Race rims fit in the spare wheel well so thought Id check the work on the CV joint/Boot.

Steve, the Wheels fit but they lift the carpet slightly at the back of the seats. by about 1/2".

STD

TD

Back to the Gripe!

Now on looking at the CV boot (Was a complete Kit that any VAG dealer would get) look and see whats wrong in this picture

The boot that came in the FULL CV joint kit:

This is just the Boot Kit I got before But The same stuff came in the Joint box:

Notice anything wrong?

What is that black plastic MONSTROSITY?

Whats wrong with using this that was supplied?

I am going for a shower now to go get my Brakes done correctly and on the way back ill be showing them this and sayin that I am not happy and that Ive just had to go to another place to get the brakes done correctly.

That is Pathetic! would anyone else put up with that?

cheers for looking and surviving all that

Billy

[billy2981]

Ok

Am I being unreasonable here?

after getting ready to go out I just thought is this something that all places do?

[trundlenut]

Ok

Am I being unreasonable here?

after getting ready to go out I just thought is this something that all places do?

In a word NO.

I would be done there raising hell, they have had failed to srt your brakes properly after two attempts and generally they seem like a bunch of incompetent people of dubious parentage.

[billy2981]

In a word NO.

I would be done there raising hell, they have had failed to srt your brakes properly after two attempts and generally they seem like a bunch of incompetent people of dubious parentage.

many thanks mate,

I was thinkin of the boot and it tells me that he forgot to put the clip on first before putting the shaft in the joint so instead of just taking it apart and doing it properly he just thought sod it.

If he forgot to do that what else did he forget?

[trundlenut]

Attention to detail and taking care in your work, I think not.

Have you checked all your wheel nuts are done up correctly?

[bond007]

definitely forgot to put the clip on! school boy error!

[DeeBe]

Thats pikey, at best. I would explain to them that you've got photos of their work, and you're not afraid to use them!

[ExAudiSi]

Sorry, but what's wrong with a nylon tie on the CV boot?

I've used them for years when I've had to replace the boots because I don't have the tool to fasten the metal clips.

I'd be more concerned with their efforts on the brakes personally.

[bond007]

but why use a tie wrap if you have the correct clips?

[Tom_vRS]

I agree, unless you have the correct tool (I do :p ) its difficult to get any tension at all on the clip. IIRC they do separate though.

Nothing inherantly wrong with using a zip tie, they do the job for sure, although that one in particular isn't as wide as I'd like.

Its a sign of sloppy workmanship though, if you supplied the parts they should bloody well use them, or tell you otherwise.

[billy2981]

OK

I am mate, but for a Garage(not some small one neither) not to have the correct tools. they fitted the outer one properly and when the kit comes with the parts then use them. All it is is the brakes are crap and then to find this. sorry its cutting corners

If I did this myself then Id go get the tool to do it. I want it doing properly.

Now I have just got back form visiting both places.

Went to get the brakes done at the Vag specialist near Barry. Nice place and sound bloke very friendly.

I asked him to have a listen at the drone I have as I thought that the bearing might be bust when they did the CV joint. So he went out and drove. the road ouside his place is nice New and smooth and OMG that is were its the worst.

He thought it was the CV joint and said to go back.

OK the noise:

only seems to happen between 30 and 20 mph on constant and deceleration. Acceleration you cant tell as she goes through them speeds in a second or so. Was not there on the way down on tues before the work. However after it is there.

Went to A and A:

went in and said I was unhappy with the noise and the fact that they have put a cable tie on there and not used the parts provided. one of the main men came and I took him for a drive and showed him the sound, he said Bearing too. ok up on the ramps it went and they checked all 4 corners and everything and there was no noise from them all are good and there is no play anywhere in the transition but they noticed the uneven wear on the tyres.

I told them the story they were on the rear and worn due to me lifting the suspension and not having it re aligned. But I said that on the drive down to them and a few to the pizza shop there was no noise, But I did ask if due to the alignment being out before could that have something to do with it?

they said It could and when we went for another drive he said that is deff tyre noise.

there is lots of wear in them but certain parts are worn more

This is the wear I mean. this is now the passengers side one and the drivers side is not quite as bad.

Could that cause this LOUD vibration and drone between 20mph and 30mph?

Oh and they got my clip and fitted it, he must of chucked it in his toolbox. I did explain to them that it might be ok to have the cable tie there but I payed for the correct parts to be used and there was no excuse as all the parts were in the kit. At all other speeds the car seems the same pos a tad more noise but nothing major only between the speeds Ive said. It drives ok but I have noticed a lot more spin and the asr light blinks a lot more for some reason and I am not going for it? random one there.

Looks like I wont be getting My Toyo T1r on there after all :'(

Think Ill spend the similar money and get a set of R32 replicas again with budgets on to see if that sorts it out. then I have 2 sets of wheels lol

Always seems to go wrong for me lol.

[billy2981]

I agree, unless you have the correct tool (I do :p ) its difficult to get any tension at all on the clip. IIRC they do separate though.

Nothing inherantly wrong with using a zip tie, they do the job for sure, although that one in particular isn't as wide as I'd like.

Its a sign of sloppy workmanship though, if you supplied the parts they should bloody well use them, or tell you otherwise.

One thing Ok I could handle it but for them to screw up the brakes then find that on there I am sorry I wont be letting them touch the car again.

Does anyone know if I could get another CV joint and swap it under warranty. I mean pay for fitting and that but just get the CV joint replaced? and not need to pay anything?

the lad who fitted it said its easy to do just take the Ball joint off then remove the center nut and turn it on full lock then pull it off, to fit just tap it on?

could he of damaged the joint during this process?

[ExAudiSi]

If the part came from a Skoda dealer, you will need to go to them and have them diagnose the fault I think. Don't know if they would also fit it or not and claim the labour back from SUK.

Edited 5 February, 2010 by ExAudiSi

[billy2981]

I got it from were skoda get them lol.

Ill give them a call tomoz and see what the crack is.

[Browny_37]

Are they the front of rear tyres in the picture?

[MartynVRS]

I feel for you. Not nice having what sounds like cowboys working on your pride and joy. I always try to take it to a friend of mine who really loves working on cars, has every tool for the job and is a perfectionist. The one time my car went to someone else when I didn't have much of a say in the matter I find I'm still fixing things months on from having work done and shelling out more money.

[billy2981]

Are they the front of rear tyres in the picture?

the one in the pic is now on the fronts, the ones that were on the front are now on the rear and they were just worn on the outer edges and not uneven like the pic.

[Browny_37]

If they "were" on the back, then i would imagine its a camber issue.

As i've had the same tyres on the rear of my Mk2 Octy aswell as some nankang ns1's on smaller rims do the same thing, although its well known that the mk2 octy suffers from camber issues.

You usually get a thudding noise as the tread blocks tend to "feather" or "saw tooth" (wear at angles) i found it more pronounced at around 70-75mph.

So i would imagine that you've got camber issues also.

I see the cars been lowered on Coilovers from standard. Was the geometry then again set after?

Any suspension changes or parts changed would make me want to at least check it after, but the approach im personally taking is to replace the whole rear bushes/components and then have the geometry done again.

Edited 5 February, 2010 by Browny_37

[mannyo]

The rear camber cannot be altered on the mk1. Excessive wear on the inside edge of the tyre is a side affect of going to low on coilovers.

[Browny_37]

Didn't think it was, but shims can be used to alter the camber values on the Astra Coupes with rear torsion bars. So i imagine the same could be done with the mk1 octy.

[billy2981]

yea mate,

I lowered it right down and had it geometry sorted.

then I raised the car in April last year and didnt get ti geod again (daft mistake) when I detailed the car I removed all the wheels to clean them. and there was no uneven wear or anything so it was done by raising the car.

right:

Vehicle alignment Report:

Front: Caster Left: Before, 7o 28' Min:6o 50' Max:8o 20' After:7o 35'

Right:Before, 7o 36' Min:6o 50' Max:8o 20' After:7o 39'

Camber Left: Before, -0o 25' min:-1o 03' max:-0o 03' After: -0o 22'

Right: Before, -0o 50' Min:-1o 03' Max :-0o 03' After: -0o 52'

Toe Min: -0o 05' Max: 0o 05'

Left: Before, 0o 18' After: 0o 00'

Right: Before, 0o 11' After: 0o 01'

Total: before, 0o 29' After, 0o 01' Min: -0o 10' Max: 0o 10'

Rear:

Camber: Min: -1o 37' Max: -1o 17'

Left: Before, -1o 20' After, -1o 26'

Right:Before, -1o 42' After, -1o 43'

Toe: Min: 0o 10' Max: 0o 20'

Left: Before, 0o 04' After, 0o 07'

Right: Before, 0o 26' After, 0o 26'

Total: before: 0o 31' After: 0o 33' Min:0o 20' Max:0o 40'

Thrust Angle: Before -0o 11' MAX MIN: 0o 20' After: -0o 10'

Thats the readouts from the machine. hope it makes sense to someone.

[billy2981]

Right so I am still on the std rear beam bushes, so I should get them sorted?

all I need to know tho is could the tyres be causing such a noise at such a low speed and at 60+ its ok.

[Browny_37]

Mine seems to get worse as i speed up.

But mine has done the exact same to my tyres as your Kuhmo 712's. I just cant get my head around the fact yours gets quieter the faster you go.

Edited 5 February, 2010 by Browny_37

[billy2981]

well its not quiet, there is still road noise but the main vibration/drone is between 20 n 30.

[boomsly]

at 50-60 we have a droning noise but any other speed it isnt there i thought about wheel bearings and tyres but the noise goes away when you go faster or slower than 50-60?

maybe the same problem as yours then?

i have no clue lol

Edited 6 February, 2010 by boomsly