But when you can get a bigger car cheaper than a little car...

Exactly, and when that bigger car is more economical than that smaller car.....

Hi,

You can buy the new Fabia vRS on 0% finance over 24 months with a 50% deposit. You can do 2.25% over 36 months with a 10% deposit also.

10% deposit would be around the £1500 mark yes? How much a month would you be talking over the 3 years with that??

10% deposit would be around the £1500 mark yes? How much a month would you be talking over the 3 years with that??

10% deposit is £1570

36 monthly payments of £418.99

Just seen this thread

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/167979-fabia-vrs-first-night-home/

It better look better in the flesh, theres no way IMO that can justify over 16K no matter how it drives, styling looks too Halfords, I will reserve final judgement until my test drive but its not feeling good. I can see depreciation hits being hard for the first owner. The only way prices will stay up is if as rumoured they dont make many or if they do there will be some nice discounts if people wait a while

The old one was quick but economical & good for a zillion miles, This is very complex for a small car & in the long term may become expensive to run as things start to go wrong

For the same money you can get the Abarth Punto Evo & that looks somewhat more stylish by comparison. http://www.easier.com/74310-abarth-punto-evo-legend-builds.html

All IMO of course

Must say I prefer the Polo GTi even if it's dearer as it looks so much better.

Personally, Id go with the Ibiza Cupra, it does look better after I initially hated them. The Polo looks dull in comparison to the Fabia and Ibiza. All of them are too complex as well, and the Fabia has too dreary an interior.

Too expensive and not special enough, I predict a sales flop. The Fabia works best as a workhorse, and at cheap prices and Skoda should see that.

10% deposit is £1570

36 monthly payments of £418.99

Ouch! maybe not then!

Personally, Id go with the Ibiza Cupra, it does look better after I initially hated them. The Polo looks dull in comparison to the Fabia and Ibiza. All of them are too complex as well, and the Fabia has too dreary an interior.

Too expensive and not special enough, I predict a sales flop. The Fabia works best as a workhorse, and at cheap prices and Skoda should see that.

Mmm, you may be right http://www.seat.com/com/generator/su/com/NewIbizaCUPRA/site/gallery/main.html

Even better with these wheels http://www.seat.com/com/generator/su/com/LeonCUPRA/site/start/main.html

Edited 18 July, 201015 yr by Stuart_J

Its a tough market, I certainly wouldn't pay the £20,000 that the Polo GTI is supposed to be sold at...

Its hard for MK1 vRS owners to change as we bought it for its looks and diesel engine, the price was good too at £12,500 or there abouts! Almost £4,000 for a new shape one! It does have alot more things standard and is a bigger car but I think its over-priced.

I will still test drive it, and probably order an estate, but for similar money you can get an Octavia vRS estate...

The new Mk2 vRS is a complete grower. When i first the pics I thought it was disgusting. I saw one in black yesterday and saw pics of Nealb's green one with the black wheels. I think it looks great.

I agree with Ad Lav, the main reason the mk1 was a success was the fact it was cheap to start with. £16k can get you a lot more for you money!! Even a nearly brand new Civic Type R mmmmmmm yummy.

The new Mk2 vRS is a complete grower. When i first the pics I thought it was disgusting. I saw one in black yesterday and saw pics of Nealb's green one with the black wheels. I think it looks great.

I agree with Ad Lav, the main reason the mk1 was a success was the fact it was cheap to start with. £16k can get you a lot more for you money!! Even a nearly brand new Civic Type R mmmmmmm yummy.

If Skoda want to salvage this seemingly doomed project then they need to quickly produce a stripped out, hotter CUP version with a manual box, less frippery and a price tag closer to £13000 IMHO

...and a diesel!

...and a diesel!

Agreed, but it won't happen as they cannot squeeze the 2.0 CR engine into the car and achieve sufficient airflow. The 1.9 will not meet current emissions regs in anything more than 105BHP form.

So they were basically stuffed by their own design which don't forget is basically a MkI car's chassis with a new upper body.

However if you believe that Skoda senior management were dragged kicking and screaming by VAG and pretty much forced to make the MkI vRS in diesel form, perhaps this time around they have not tried too hard to make the MkII as a diesel also...

Edited 18 July, 201015 yr by GREZA

I think the vrs should have been introduced earlier. We're now 3 years into the mk2 Fabia. How long before the mk3 which I suppose will have the new platform and hopefully a better bodyshape. The mk2 still seems too narrow and high compared to the mk1.

I think the vrs should have been introduced earlier. We're now 3 years into the mk2 Fabia. How long before the mk3 which I suppose will have the new platform and hopefully a better bodyshape. The mk2 still seems too narrow and high compared to the mk1.

Yes, I agree.

Better to wait for the MkIII and hopefully a true successor to the MkI vRS.

Skoda have only introduced the vRS to the MkII now to give an aging, rather gauche design a bit of a mid-season pep-up.

Edited 18 July, 201015 yr by GREZA

Its a tough market, I certainly wouldn't pay the £20,000 that the Polo GTI is supposed to be sold at...

Its hard for MK1 vRS owners to change as we bought it for its looks and diesel engine, the price was good too at £12,500 or there abouts! Almost £4,000 for a new shape one! It does have alot more things standard and is a bigger car but I think its over-priced.

I will still test drive it, and probably order an estate, but for similar money you can get an Octavia vRS estate...

It won't be 20K in a bit as they'll need the sales and I'd agree about being able to buy an Octy for that kind of money. If it was a straight choice between the Seat, Fabia and Octy, the latter wins all the time.

Octavia = Golf A5 chassis

Fabia MkII = old Fabia/Polo A4 chassis

Chalk & cheese especially if there is no real cost difference.

OK My opinions only

Just back from the dealers, spent about an hour looking over it in the showroom & well, just cant get excited by the looks, its just unexciting, it was next to a lower spec fabia & yep, it has a spoiler, nicer wheels, an attempt at a rear diffuser, a nice VRS badge & now we are struggling, Fabias are rallied with some succes, it needs to look angry & purposeful when it leaves the showroom, its almost as though someone at Skoda was embarased to push the styling or perhaps VW wouldnt let them. Basically it just dosent look racey, its almost identical side on, even the ride height looks the same, the wheels look lost in the arches. Inside again nothing exciting, its all rather shall I say ordinary, it just lacks anything to rave about, even the quality feels questionable, Im wondering how long before someone opens a door from the inside & the handle snaps or is it super bendy plastic. For youngsters I cant see wow looks, the new Citroen knocks it dead on that & they cant insure it anyway, for anyone over 30 who wants a bit of fun theres so much more to be had for 16.5K & thats before any extras.

I will still drive it but it has to be something incredible to justify 16.5K. My Wifes Abarth which cost less even with a load of extras including full leather just knocks into a cocked hat on looks & I cant believe its so much better in the handling dept to justify owning something so un interesting in the looks dept.

As I said my feelings only . If the drive is stunning I will wait for the discounts to appear or someone else to take the depreciation hit, it has to be miles cheaper for me to rule out the oposition.

Edited 18 July, 201015 yr by Stuart_J

VAG must have a real headache on their hands. They have four divisions Audi, VW, Seat & Skoda. Yet they can't seem to define seperate market strategies for each one.

Skoda want to stand on Seat's toes, who are supposed to build the cheaper performance models. Its understandable but they don't have to ape Seat, in the MkI vRS they had a clever car that delivered on so many fronts but they now seem to have lost that originality and that has to be a shame. They need to think 'smart' and not be lazy in their offerings IMHO.

This new vRS will struggle to define a market for itself as it is just not special enough on any front to justify its price ticket.

OK My opinions only

Just back from the dealers, spent about an hour looking over it in the showroom & well, just cant get excited by the looks, its just unexciting, it was next to a lower spec fabia & yep, it has a spoiler, nicer wheels, an attempt at a rear diffuser, a nice VRS badge & now we are struggling, Fabias are rallied with some succes, it needs to look angry & purposeful when it leaves the showroom, its almost as though someone at Skoda was embarased to push the styling or perhaps VW wouldnt let them. Basically it just dosent look racey, its almost identical side on, even the ride height looks the same, the wheels look lost in the arches. Inside again nothing exciting, its all rather shall I say ordinary, it just lacks anything to rave about, even the quality feels questionable, Im wondering how long before someone opens a door from the inside & the handle snaps or is it super bendy plastic. For youngsters I cant see wow looks, the new Citroen knocks it dead on that & they cant insure it anyway, for anyone over 30 who wants a bit of fun theres so much more to be had for 16.5K & thats before any extras.

I will still drive it but it has to be something incredible to justify 16.5K. My Wifes Abarth which cost less even with a load of extras including full leather just knocks into a cocked hat on looks & I cant believe its so much better in the handling dept to justify owning something so un interesting in the looks dept.

As I said my feelings only . If the drive is stunning I will wait for the discounts to appear or someone else to take the depreciation hit, it has to be miles cheaper for me to rule out the oposition.

hello there i dont know what car you were looking at but the one i orded in june was £15700 ?

To be fair to Skoda on their pricing aspect of the new vRS, it needs to be remembered that Sterling has declined by around 25% against the Euro since the last of the MkI SEs were in the showrooms.

So on that basis alone the new car would need to be over £15000 just to be the same in Euro terms as the old one was.

Thank you Gordon Brown for royally messing up the British economy and thereby debasing Sterling's worth.

and, OT, it'll go even further under the current lot of jokers.

and, OT, it'll go even further under the current lot of jokers.

Only time will tell, but if their intention is to not spend what cannot be funded, unlike the last bunch, then the country will start to live within its means and gradually it will be put back on a more solid economic footing for the future.

If that means we can't have all the handouts etc. we think we need then the answer is to grow the real economy to the point where it can support such government spending once more. The alternative of taking out the national credit card and racking up debt to fund what cannot be paid for through revenues is a short term fix that inevitably results in unsustainable levels of national debt that culminate in an economy going bust.

That is something that Brown & Co seemed hell bent on achieving and very nearly did!

Edited 18 July, 201015 yr by GREZA

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I am tempted by a a new Fabia vRS estate but at £16495 I can get an Octavia vRS for similar money...

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Eh? Am I missing something obvious here? £16.5k is what you might pay for an Octavia vRS hatch after discount - the What Car target price is about that. But this same figure is the list price for the Fabia vRS estate: maybe not much in the way of discounts initially, but brokers like Drivethedeal will be able to knock something off before long.

Edited 18 July, 201015 yr by Zdenek Fibich

Broadspeed offering £1600 off list price on the MkII vRS hatchback already