So, whilst leading a Grand Prix, and having no team orders (according to the team), Felipe pulls over and lets his team mate take the win instead

Do they think we were born yesterday :wall:

I agree with the guy who suggested giving Massa 25 points for the win in the individual standings, but rescinding all Ferrari's points in the team championship

Edited 25 July, 201015 yr by Brimma

Bets Mr smedley won't be with the team for much longer?

The problem is that Massa is so inconsistent in his performances that the team has to favour Alonso.

Massa was only leading the race because Vettel wasted time trying to drive Alonso in to the wall at the start of the race leaving a huge gap for Massa to sail through.

A look back at the previous few races shows Massa scored 0 points since coming 7th in Turkey whilst Alonso scored 19 and perhaps should have scored more if one or two decisions had gone his way. Massa is a good number two driver, and gets well rewarded for it, but he'll never win a World Championship and the team knows it (as I think does he!).

I'm not a fan of Alonso, but were I a betting man, I know on who I'd wager my bet - and it wouldn't be Massa!

Massa was winning and Alonso appears to have a hissy fit when he couldn't get past and wasn't let past.

I think it's time people realised that Alonso is a team of one.

I'm gutted for Massa as he deserved the win.

Best thing he can do is find a drive somewhere good that isn't the prancing horse.

Lets face it $100,000 is not even going to appear above the noise for the team.

What they need to do is kick out Alonso, Move Massa and the others behind them up a place and remove all points from Ferrari for the constructors championship for that race.

While they are at it, add 10 place back for the next race start to Alonso too.

I couldnt wait for the post race interviews...i even went and put the kettle and got settled on the couch...this was going to be more fun than the race!! ....Alonso...what a twa t!! So he reckonds that he caught Massa coming out of the corner and overtook under full race speed!!.....Then Mass just said " theres nothing i can say about that" Quality!!! Me thinks the fine wont be the end of it!!!

K:)

I think the blatently broke the rules so should be disqualified for the race.

That said banning team orders was rediculous. Imagine going into the last race and loosing the championship because the wrong car won and the other came second. Its a team FFS. Or even better both cars wiping each other out as one desperatly overtook to try and win. Madness.

Im convinced we have seen a lot of postion swaps over the years based on team orders. This isnt the first X is faster than you message.

Even take Mclaren a few races back, there were team orders telling Jenson not to attack Hammy (which he broke and p155ed off the managment and hammy). No places were swapped, but then again there never would be given 'team orders'

To me this is a farce, and its not Alonso or Ferrari. They did exactly as anyone else would of. Just as with the last few races circumstances have conspired against them.

J

If the rule is unworkable they should do away with it

If they are going to keep it they should show some bottle and enforce it properly

End of

Just because they all do it doesn't make it legal

Massa was winning and Alonso appears to have a hissy fit when he couldn't get past and wasn't let past.

I think it's time people realised that Alonso is a team of one.

I'm gutted for Massa as he deserved the win.

Best thing he can do is find a drive somewhere good that isn't the prancing horse.

Lets face it $100,000 is not even going to appear above the noise for the team.

What they need to do is kick out Alonso, Move Massa and the others behind them up a place and remove all points from Ferrari for the constructors championship for that race.

While they are at it, add 10 place back for the next race start to Alonso too.

I agree

I wonder what would happen at red bull if they ordered one of thier drivers to move over for the other, that would be funny to watch

I feel sorry for Massa, if Alonso is that good and Massa was that slow surely he should be able to get past him.

If Mclaren did it Ferrari would be stright up to the F.I.A asking them to ban Mclaren for the rest of the season for breaking the rules.

Massa should stick his fingers up at Ferrari and go to another team for trating him like that.

If Massa was sooooo slow, it should have been easy for Alone so to pass him at racing speed somewhere on the track, not have his "teammate" effectively pull over for him. I thought Vettel and Webber were a couple of kids...seems there's a few in F1.

I think Ferrari were right as for them the team is no.1.....like any other team, but really stupid on how it was done. Massa should have given room when Alonso first came up, that is assuming the issue was decided pre-race.

Btw I think Alonso is an A$$

Edited 28 July, 201015 yr by GAFF

I think Ferrari were right as for them the team is no.1.....like any other team, but really stupid on how it was done. Massa should have given room when Alonso first came up, that is assuming the issue was decided pre-race.

Btw I think Alonso is an A$

If it is a case of the TEAM being No1 then what difference does it make which driver comes first or second?? 25+18 = 43 points.

That goes to the TEAM

it is quite obvious that the TEAM favours The "Pram Boy"

And you are correct

Alonso is an A$$

If it is a case of the TEAM being No1 then what difference does it make which driver comes first or second?? 25+18 = 43 points.

That goes to the TEAM

it is quite obvious that the TEAM favours The "Pram Boy"

As far as I can see the team wear just going with the guy who could bring home the points in all rounds, not just that round.

But how do we know the team made the call, and not some betting mob?

But how do we know the team made the call, and not some betting mob?

That's one hell of a conspiracy theory :yes:

You've got to feel for him.......getting one in the eye exactly a year after.............. getting one in the eye...............

Edited 2 August, 201015 yr by Brimma

I just loved the way Felipe made it look so obvious. And his reaction after the race.

But I think, after the way rookie Lewis Hamilton whipped him at McLaren, the spoiled brat has it in his contract that he can't be beaten by his teammate if both are running and there's no-one between them.

The latest I read on this saga this morning said that the FIA have published all the video and radio feeds, and starts with Alonso telling the pit wall he's faster. To which the wall replied "Understood, we'll get back to you"

The rest of the transcript made it equally obvious it was a planned switch.

I'm not green enough to believe no one else does this, but at least they make it look like a convincing swap. Going slightly wide on a corner, longer than planned pit stop, etc etc.

So pretty much everyone accepts that place switches are commonplace, therefore Ferrari's biggest crime is not being as good at deception as maybe some of the other top teams. He who has not sinned, cast the first stone.

Ferrari have a 3 second rule. If the following driver insists he is quicker he must prove it. You will notice that on two occasions Alonso dropped back almost 4 seconds from Massa and quickly closed the gap.

Forza Ferrari

So pretty much everyone accepts that place switches are commonplace, therefore Ferrari's biggest crime is not being as good at deception as maybe some of the other top teams. He who has not sinned, cast the first stone.

Ferrari have a 3 second rule. If the following driver insists he is quicker he must prove it. You will notice that on two occasions Alonso dropped back almost 4 seconds from Massa and quickly closed the gap.

Forza Ferrari

No driver would deliberately drop back 4 seconds just to prove they are faster. In some races 4 seconds can split 1st up to 10th place!

If you have the race recorded, go back and look at it.

Hungary? Nope, that's long gone having watched it.

I've watched it, and all the various media clips, including the FIA's released video on the subject. At no point did Alonso 'deliberately' drop back. All he did do is throw his toys out (again) because he wasnt being treated as the no1 driver and being bowed to enough.

Please do share where you found this official 3 second rule Ferrari have before telling their other driver to pull over. I'm sure the WMSC would be most interested.