Hello,

On DSG page on wikipedia, in regards to N position of the DSG gear it says:

"The DSG should not be held in any of the active gear modes while stationary using the footbrake for other than brief periods — due to the clutches being held on the bite point, as this can overheat the clutches and transmission fluid"

Also it states:

"This position should be used when the motor vehicle is stationary for a period of time, such as at red traffic lights, or waiting in a queue of stationary traffic."

Is this true? Switch to N for every red light? I was under the impression that it's ok to be in D with footbrake engaged...

krko

Do a search, been done to death! But general feeling is that the clutch is NOT engaged hence you roll back a bit on a hill start.

But it may cause your box to go into melt down after very few miles unless you do engage N, pay your money , take your chance.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/178585-possible-dsg-issue-now-me/page__view__findpost__p__2149058

Edited 10 November, 201015 yr by postmanpat

ALWAYS slip it into Neutral at lights or a queue.

The clutches ARE still engaged...despite wahat others have said

ALWAYS slip it into Neutral at lights or a queue.

The clutches ARE still engaged...despite wahat others have said

Especially at night, rather than blind the person behind with brake lights!

Especially at night, rather than blind the person behind with brake lights!

I use the footbrake most of the time

Me too, and I drive a manual

ALWAYS slip it into Neutral at lights or a queue.

The clutches ARE still engaged...despite wahat others have said

I can confim this is the case, there is deffinate thunk and slight lowering of revs as you shift from N to D.

I always shift from D to N whenever I am stationary. The DSG box is not a conventional system at all, and sitting in D at lights is like sitting with your manual clutch at biting point eating away at your clutch.

I go to Park when waiting for any time in a traffic queue.

I use neutral quite a lot when freewheeling up to lights or down hills etc.

Thought the 6 speed box was quite good and got fuel consumption quite close to the manual but really looking forward to the 7 speed which, on the 1.8 TSI improves the consumption by about 3 mpg or so.

Different boxes ie 6 speed wet multi-plate and a 7 speed dry plate clutch but limited to 250 N of torque but brilliant especially on the petrols.

Thank you guys.

So it will be D to N for me at lights or a queue.

All that's left now is wait for Monday to pick it up

I've started putting mine into N at the lights now too all thanks to you guys!

I use the footbrake most of the time

When I was taught to drive I was told it was bad manners to sit with your foot on the brake and thus your brake lights on because you blinded the person behind you. Nowadays no body seems to be bothered about manners, driving or otherwise and many people are just far too lazy to use the handbrake. If I come up behind a car sitting there with it's brake lights on, I tend to stay back a bit and put my Xenon headlights on main beam. It usually make the brake lights go off!!!

If you learn to drive elsewhere in the EU, you are taught to use the footbrake only to hold the car at lights and junctions and that the handbrake is only to be used when parked. Only we call it a handbrake elsewhere it translates as parking brake or in the US e-brake. Only in the UK are we taught to use it at traffic lights and so on, mine is only ever applied when parked the rest of the time I use the footbrake.

Think about it for a minute, Mercedes use a what is for us a pain in the backside foot operated brake, VW fit what is for us a pain in the backside electric brake on the Passat, Citroen fitted a foot/hand operated brake on the XM. These all make sense when they are only used for parking, but to use them at lights, junctions etc. is very difficult.

When I was taught to drive I was told it was bad manners to sit with your foot on the brake and thus your brake lights on because you blinded the person behind you. Nowadays no body seems to be bothered about manners, driving or otherwise and many people are just far too lazy to use the handbrake. If I come up behind a car sitting there with it's brake lights on, I tend to stay back a bit and put my Xenon headlights on main beam. It usually make the brake lights go off!!!

So bad manners too then!!

Holding on the footbrake is the best way to drive an Auto/DSG.

If you put your lights on full beam behind me, I might be inclined to get out and ask you what you are doing!!

Edited 11 November, 201015 yr by ChrisRs

So bad manners too then!!

Holding on the footbrake is the best way to drive an Auto/DSG.

If you put your lights on full beam behind me, I might be inclined to get out and ask you what you are doing!!

Although I properbly wouldnt get out, I'd just continue as I have been taught to drive and leave you there looking like an idiot as all around you look at you for having your main beam on.

Applying the footbrake on a DSG when in D disengages the clutch. The car should be held on the brake and in D when stationary. Models with wet-plate clutches will experience some slight 'creep' even when the clutch is disengaged - this is due to hydraulic drag between the plates (it causes slight heating of the fluid, but no wear to the plates) - its why you feel a slight 'clunk' going from N to D.

Dry-plate DSG's don't experience this (assuming they are set up correctly).

Edited 11 November, 201015 yr by Hauptmann

Although I properbly wouldnt get out, I'd just continue as I have been taught to drive and leave you there looking like an idiot as all around you look at you for having your main beam on.

Once I am are close behind the car in front I switch off the main beam. I only flash them as I approach.

Are people actually taught to drive that way these days. If they are then that would explain why it seems to happen more and more. Are people really too lazy to move from D to N. With the increasing use of an electronic handbrake, applying it just means pressing a button. At the moment I drive an Audi A3 and applying the hand brake is easy. Perhaps it's more difficult with a Octavia. Something to check when I have my test drive.

With the increasing use of automatics in particular, perhaps the best answer would be for manufacturers to develop a system where, if the foot brake is applied and the car is stationery for more that, say 30 seconds, the brake lights automatically go out.

I drive quite a lot on the continent and don't recall it being such a problem as in the UK.

If I come up behind a car sitting there with it's brake lights on, I tend to stay back a bit and put my Xenon headlights on main beam. It usually make the brake lights go off!!!

Why do people get so aggressive when they are wrapped in a steel shell?

If you were walking down the street at night and a little toddler was playing with his new torch and shone it your eyes would you immediately reach for your own torch and shove it in his face?

Brake lights are no brighter than the red traffic light. If you are dazzled excessively then you may have an eye problem and should see an optician.

I have adopted a very simple strategy when driving. Everybody else on the road is a total prat. They all do stupid stuff and there is absolutely no point in getting mad because that only makes me a more dangerous driver and there is no way I am ever going to change them. Then occasionally you encounter a really good driver and it makes you feel good. This is an adaptation of Seneca's philosphy - always prepare for the worst then if the worst happens you are ready for it and if the worst doesn't happen you will take joy from it.

I will only slip into nuetral if I am, for example, in roadworks. I normally leave it in D. I have 351,000kms on my DSG box and it hasn't given trouble yet.

If I come up behind a car sitting there with it's brake lights on, I tend to stay back a bit and put my Xenon headlights on main beam. It usually make the brake lights go off!!!

You need to be careful playing the prat like that - one day someone will get out and smack you one, or maybe back their old shed into you and claim you rear-ended them.

Even if you stick it in N and put the handbrake on, you still have to put the footbrake on to change from N to D - it won't go in if you're only using the handbrake. As I found out two nights ago having just got my DSG 3 days ago!

You need to be careful playing the prat like that - one day someone will get out and smack you one, or maybe back their old shed into you and claim you rear-ended them.

Lets get a few things straight. First if I come a behind a car stopped with it's brake lights on I FLASH my headlights to let them know I'm there and I am being dazzled by their lights. I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I turned them on and left them on. The flash often has the desired effect. This is in quite in order and is covered in the Highway Code section 110 "Only flash your headlights to let other road users know you are there". .I use the same headlight flash if I come up behind another car that, for example, is driving in the outside lane when an inside is clear, to ask them to move to the other lane as I want to pass them. A lot of drivers these days never seem to look in the rear-view mirrors and therefore have no idea what is happening behind them.

Also the Highway Code section 236 says and I quote "You MUST NOT use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced as they dazzle other road users...." Many cars are only fitted with one rear fog light hence one 21w bulb. The Highway Code takes the view that this could dazzle other drivers and I agree. When a car is stopped with it's brake lights on then there are two 21w bulbs alight plus a high-level brake light right in front of the face of the next driver. In my opinion this is also dazzling. It's not too bad during the day but very dazzling at night. If the Highway Code regards one 21w bulb as dazzling then two plus a high-level brake light must be worse. And all of this because a driver is too lazy to move a lever from D to N. I know driving an automatic can makes some drivers very lazy, but personally I always drive using the 'tiptronic' mode mostly using the steering wheel paddles.

The Owner's Handbook that comes with my A3 (which has a DSG box) also says "In all selector positions other than P..... the gearbox still transmits power even at idling speed and the vehicle tends to creep" So when stopped for other than a few seconds it is always best to move the selector from D or S to N in the same way as one would put a manual gearbox in neutral and release the clutch pedal to prevent excessive wear on the clutch

When I was taught to drive I was told it was bad manners to sit with your foot on the brake and thus your brake lights on because you blinded the person behind you. Nowadays no body seems to be bothered about manners, driving or otherwise and many people are just far too lazy to use the handbrake. If I come up behind a car sitting there with it's brake lights on, I tend to stay back a bit and put my Xenon headlights on main beam. It usually make the brake lights go off!!!

wouldn't make me take my foot of the brake, lucky for me my rear view mirror dims its self. Plus if I'm dazzled I cannot safely pull away from the lights now can I? So it would mean everyone would miss that set of light change.

The Owner's Handbook that comes with my A3

Audi driver, that explains everything

The Owner's Handbook that comes with my A3 (which has a DSG box) also says "In all selector positions other than P..... the gearbox still transmits power even at idling speed and the vehicle tends to creep" So when stopped for other than a few seconds it is always best to move the selector from D or S to N in the same way as one would put a manual gearbox in neutral and release the clutch pedal to prevent excessive wear on the clutch

I assume that is the wet clutch 6 speed DSG. With the dry clutch 7 speed DSG there is no transmission of power in N or in D with the foot on the footbrake because the clutch does not drag in the oil.

As you move my 7 speed DSG from P through R & N to D there is no clunk, no lurch, no drop in revs. Take your foot off the foobrake in N and the car stays still on the flat or rolls whichever way the slope takes it.