anyone noticed the price of diesel compaired to petrol!!i am paying10p litre more than i was four weeks ago,seems like its not going to stop,not sure of the price of oil at the moment,it will go up again in jan when the vat goes on it£123,9 here at the moment.how much i your area?thinking about looking into the greenline but its only a 105 bhp it might be a bit slugish on hills etc.5 speed box and no 4x4!

mike.

thinking about looking into the greenline but its only a 105 bhp it might be a bit slugish on hills etc.5 speed box and no 4x4!

Surely the 'cost to swap' would wipe-out any potential fuel savings by moving to a more economical Yeti?

Best regards

David

This happens every year due to the demand for red diesel for heating..... Nothing new.

Surely the 'cost to swap' would wipe-out any potential fuel savings by moving to a more economical Yeti?

Best regards

David

[/quot this could be true dave,iam just looking at the moment.i am thinking long term as i love the yeti,and my job situation next year dont look to great.just think the cost of fuel in this country is out of control and is set ot get worse next year.

mike

I filled up in St.Malo last Sunday at 1.15€ a litre which works out at just under £0.98 at today's rate. Since everything that is delivered by road uses diesel transport, I think the French have got it right. The price and tax hikes we endure in the UK hit the consumer twice and inflate the price of just about everything we buy.

Edited 4 December, 201015 yr by tubalcain

Think yourself lucky that you are running a Yeti 140. At least 10 mpg better than my old X-Trail. The price of diesel is massive at £125.9 at some local garages but, with a Yeti, a litre gets you a bit further!

Hmm, no-one wants to pay more than they have to. Of course! But if fuel duty were reduced then taxes elsewhere would have to go up to compensate. (Or more public spending cuts.) BR income tax or VAT at eg 23% anyone?

I know it's not necessarily a popular view, but personally I think it's as equitable having the duty where it currently is as anywhere else. There are relatively few people who couldn't drive a bit more economically if they really put their mind to it, or made one or two fewer journeys, or chose a more economical model next time they changed their car. At least to a significant extent, how much we spend on fuel is up to us as individuals.

And am I the only one who thinks that a bit of cost pressure on supermarkets etc to stop hauling produce from one end of the country to the other (and helping to clog up the roads in the process) rather than sourcing more locally/regionally is wholly A Bad Thing?

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Edited 4 December, 201015 yr by prodata

Not at all Prodata, I totally agree, and it is one of the reasons that we hardly ever use any of the large supermarket chains, and shop from local shops that sell local products. If more people did it the likes of Tescos et al would have to start thinking a bit more.

Good example of stupidity:

A famous Welsh organic milk products (yoghurt, fromage frais, etc) produced in a factory in Aberystwyth, taken 200+ miles to a Tesco distribution centre to be reloaded onto another lorry to be delivered to their supermarket 1 mile from the factory!! How effing stupid is that!! When Rachels asked if they could deliver direct they were told it was not possible!!

And to keep it Yeti specific.......

I bought the Yeti because the fuel consumption was MUCH better than the Land Rover

Edited 4 December, 201015 yr by Llanigraham

And to keep it Yeti specific.......

I bought the Yeti because the fuel consumption was MUCH better than the Land Rover

Agree with you there.

Yeti is probably doing about 10mpg more and on cheaper fuel (unleaded instead of diesel)

As said above. Cold winter = diesel price goes up.

Hmm, no-one wants to pay more than they have to. Of course! But if fuel duty were reduced then taxes elsewhere would have to go up to compensate. (Or more public spending cuts.) BR income tax or VAT at eg 23% anyone?

I know it's not necessarily a popular view, but personally I think it's as equitable having the duty where it currently is as anywhere else. There are relatively few people who couldn't drive a bit more economically if they really put their mind to it, or made a one or two fewer journeys, or chose a more economical model next time they changed their car. At least, to a significant extent, how much we spend on fuel is up to us as individuals.

And am I the only one who thinks that a bit of cost pressure on supermarkets etc to stop hauling produce from one end of the country to the other (and helping to clog up the roads in the process) rather than sourcing more locally/regionally is wholly A Bad Thing?

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Although I don't like paying tax more than the next person, I have to agree - whatever you think about climate change, reducing demand is the only long-term way to restrain fuel prices and even at current prices (or the even higher ones last year) I don't see a huge change in driver behaviour (distance, driving style or car choice) and what there is has been has mostly been driven by the CO2-based BIK tax.

And yes, the fact that supermarkets do this absurd stuff indicates that road transport is relatively cheap - otherwise they would be biting Rachel's hand off to deliver direct to local stores.

One thing I think could help is if company vehicle drivers were paid a mileage allowance to buy their own fuel, rather than just getting it paid for - then the biggest fuel users would have a strong incentive to (i) shop around for the best price and (ii) drive economically. This in turn would reduce demand and promote competition between retailers. It wouldn't be easy, but worth a try surely?

Mark

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Edited 4 December, 201015 yr by Sanqhar

Hmm, no-one wants to pay more than they have to. Of course! But if fuel duty were reduced then taxes elsewhere would have to go up to compensate. (Or more public spending cuts.) BR income tax or VAT at eg 23% anyone?

I know it's not necessarily a popular view, but personally I think it's as equitable having the duty where it currently is as anywhere else. There are relatively few people who couldn't drive a bit more economically if they really put their mind to it, or made one or two fewer journeys, or chose a more economical model next time they changed their car. At least to a significant extent, how much we spend on fuel is up to us as individuals.

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+1

When the fuel duty protests were on a couple/few years ago I felt like going to one of the demonstrations holding a placard that read:

CUT THE DUTY -CLOSE A HOSPITAL

Everyone wants their particular hobby horse to be given special treatment, more subsidy, lower prices, but no one wants to pay for it. The money has to come from somewhere.

tom

Well, for a start we could cancel any Trident replacement and stop messing about trying to be a "world power".

Accept that we are a small but clever nation and play the same game as the Swiss.

(Fireproof suit just donned!)

Edited 4 December, 201015 yr by Rob666

I paid 120.9 the other day in Watford, Herts. Down here in Dorset Diesel is around 127.9 a litre, but petrol is only a couple of pence cheaper. Prices vary considerably locally, for example Wimborne is a good 3 pence a litre cheaper than Blandford.

ASDA Dunfermline 113.9 3 weeks ago

Currently 123.9 Hereford.

Brecon 122.9

And I will pay whatever is asked to keep my SM topped up, and thereby allow me the freedom to explore, to commute, to have leisure - until such time as I cannot afford it. And in between those points I will strive to drive economically, only make journeys when necessary (tricky one that), and I will cut back on many other household expenses first.

As an "oldie" on my own, I would reduce expenditure on entertainment (in all its flavours), on clothes, on pre-prepared meals, - in fact on all non-essentials, until the core is reached, and that is:

1) Food

2) Heating the home

3) travelling in my car (= independence just like my 88yo Mother and 90 yo Aunt!!)

ASDA Dunfermline 113.9 3 weeks ago

Currently 123.9 Hereford.

Brecon 122.9

And I will pay whatever is asked to keep my SM topped up, and thereby allow me the freedom to explore, to commute, to have leisure - until such time as I cannot afford it. And in between those points I will strive to drive economically, only make journeys when necessary (tricky one that), and I will cut back on many other household expenses first.

As an "oldie" on my own, I would reduce expenditure on entertainment (in all its flavours), on clothes, on pre-prepared meals, - in fact on all non-essentials, until the core is reached, and that is:

1) Food

2) Heating the home

3) travelling in my car (= independence just like my 88yo Mother and 90 yo Aunt!!)

Hear. hear! I suspect the government either hasn't realised or doesn't care just how important independent travel is to many of us. I'll give up every other "luxury" before I stop feeding the car.

Edited 4 December, 201015 yr by Rob666

Yes the car in a rural location is defiantly more of an essential than a luxury, admittedly there's a rail station in our village (lucky in that respect) but it only runs up to Scarborough or down to Hull. To go inland you have to go to Hull first :S Beaching dug up most of the fairly extensive network that used to be out here (another example of Government short-termism / short-sightedness :( ).

Like many areas there now abandoning the roads too, maintenance round here is often limited to occasionally filling in the holes, sometimes throwing down some of that horrible surface dressing and the rare budget resurface that gets ripped up the following winter.

TP

Tesco give a 5p off per litre with over £50 spent in the supermarket near us in Durham. That brings the price down to £1.16 per litre. The Fabia runs fine on that.

Mark.

Tesco give a 5p off per litre with over £50 spent in the supermarket near us in Durham. That brings the price down to £1.16 per litre. The Fabia runs fine on that.

Mark.

Another example of the supermarket chains of shafting the local traders!!

See my comments about Tesco's earlier!! A company I hold in deep contempt

Tesco £1.16 per litre (after discount) local independant petrol station £1.27 per litre.

Now should I use the independant and pay over £5 extra to fill the tank? Often twice per week. In excess of £500 per year.

Hmm decisions...

2slo

we live in a free country and you can do what you wish, but personally I will not use Tesco for anything, having seen their marketing and controlling techniques. They may be cheap now, but it is strange how their prices creep up as they close all the local outlets. Luckily the local Council and the WAG have finally seen the damage they are causing to the small market towns in Mid Wales and have just refused their opening of another store in Machynlleth.

Yes it might cost me more, but I will not buy fuel from any of the supermarket chains if I can help it. It might cost me more, but I prefer to keep my money local.

Hmm, no-one wants to pay more than they have to. Of course! But if fuel duty were reduced then taxes elsewhere would have to go up to compensate. (Or more public spending cuts.) BR income tax or VAT at eg 23% anyone?

While I can see your point, I would argue that fuel duty is not a fair tax. If all the money I paid on fuel went on roads (maybe the Humber bridge could be free then!) then I can see that being fair. But why should I subsidise things for someone who doesn't drive but maybe earns more money than me?? Surely if you believe that income tax is fair (the richer pay more etc) then that is a better system for taxation then fuel duty. At the end of the day, drivers just seem to be an easy target for the tax man.

If all the money I paid on fuel went on roads (maybe the Humber bridge could be free then!) then I can see that being fair... Surely if you believe that income tax is fair (the richer pay more etc) then that is a better system for taxation then fuel duty. At the end of the day, drivers just seem to be an easy target for the tax man.

Well we obviously have to be careful about this turning into a political thread, but hopefully some general motoring-related topics are allowable here as well as Yeti-specific ones and the cost of motoring may well be the number one such concern for many people.

Personally I don't think that there's anythng wrong with either of those two tax suggestions. But, broadly speaking, we don't have a hypothecated taxation system in this country. IMO in certain cases it would be an excellent idea, such as spending all the money raised on transport taxes on transport. But that isn't the current system in the UK and if we were to do that in the specific case of transport then extra taxes would need to be raised elsewhere to cover the loss of transport-related revenue that is currently used for non-transport expenditure.

And on placing an extra burden on income tax or VAT, well that's a perfectly reasonable suggestion too except that the politicians find it so difficult to change the status quo of where tax is raised. They know for sure that if they floated the idea of raised income tax before an election they would lose votes. This is why it never happens.

In the specific case of fuel duty then there's the obvious counter-argument that if you believe there's a need to lessen global CO2 increases (and most sane people who've honestly looked at the evidence do) then the fuel duty provides an essential lever to help bring this about.

And just to answer the previous point about about raising the money from fuel duty by scrapping Trident instead: I'm sure that we all have our pet policiies that we would scrap in order to redeploy the money elsewhere - I know I do. But we live in a (sort of) democracy and unless the majority of voters might favour such a change then it's unlikely to happen. And also the majority of politicians willing to put themselves up for service in government need to be in favour too. I strongly suspect that scrapping Trident would fail on both of these counts.

So AFAICS we have to continue to put up with the present level of fuel duty and, indeed, to see it increase further in the future.

I thought it was common knowledge now thanks to the financial crisis why we as motorists face an ever increasing cost burden; the private banks are lending out and gambling money they don't have in deposits and thus creating inflation and deflation in the value of the currency and GDP. Our government (and nearly everyone elses) are either completely stupid regarding economics or they are completely corruptly being paid off by the private banks. The solution is so simple: the private banks are bankrupt and should be nationlised and the control of issuing money to the economy should only be in the hands of the government thereby allowing the countrys debts to be paid off with fresh money, taxes to be reduced dramatically which will stimulate foreign investment and greater company confidence in expanding projects here.

But because of stupidity or corruption, we will face greater costs in the years ahead not least because we are drowning in private bank debt which will further weaken our currency and heighten the cost of fuels. The one good thing about the increasing cost of motoring is the clarity of the effecient cars like the Skoda Yeti. Every MPG will count in the years to come! But I suspect you, like me, will just prioritise our motoring ahead of other non-essential costs because driving is freedom and fun.

Tesco £1.16 per litre (after discount) local independant petrol station £1.27 per litre.

Now should I use the independant and pay over £5 extra to fill the tank? Often twice per week. In excess of £500 per year.

Hmm decisions...

Why do you not shop around.

I get my diesel at £122.9 from a local Shell outlet plus points on my Shell Drivers Club card. Our Tesco is more expensive.

You have to spend £50 to get the discount - is it worth extra shopping? (Mind you, at Tesco you don't get much shopping for £50)

I was also told that Supermarket petrol comes from Russia and has water in it - its a good story!!!