I just this evening did an experimental run from the mother-in-laws (well at least I had escaped) to see what MPG I could get in my 18.TSi. I drove as economically as I could but not driving like my dad. The journey was about 3 miles of "new town" driving - 40mph max dual carriage way/roundabouts. 20 miles of A Road dual carriageway/motorway and 3 miles of b roads and a cople of roundabouts to my house - so 26 miles total. On the motorway driving at 70mph on cruise control but letting the car slow a little down to 60 on steeper gradiants and recovering speeds on the way down and slowing down under engine breaking at roundabouts.

I have done this journey numerous times and the best I have got is 40mpg drivingfairly normally but not thrashing but today the computer informed me I got 47.2mpg - 26 miles - 35 minutes - 45mph average speed. It took me 5 minutes more than usual really but was itneresting to see what you could get in a real situation with a car full of family and not driving like a tit.

I have average 34mpg over the last several thousand miles so I guess my usual driving style and mix of journeys and the wife's driving the car is not the optimum for economy.

Just goes to show you what the 1.8TSi can do when treated gently.

I have been getting 46 mpg or so on the 1.8 TSI DSG but still keeping a good near the legal limit on the speedo pace and I only have 3K miles on it and I expect it to get better ie around 50 mpg in a few thousand miles time. I tend to lock in 7th gear once on the motorway ie put it in to tiptronic and I do a bit of free wheeling sometimes. Running from tyres at 33 psi and backs at 40 psi and ride is OK.

Aim is to get over 600 miles on the range readout, especialy useful to know if fuel strike round the corner. Interesting thread about high octane fuel improving consumption, specifically tesco 99 Octane, always been sceptical on this except for cars than need it like the Mk 1 Octy and Mk2 Fabia VRS but they claim great things and price may become secondary to having enough fuel to get home!

Shame you bought the petrol version if MPG means so much to you.

Now that Diesel prices have gone up to make a tank £70 to fill up, and are going up again soon, I have decided to stop driving like a loon. I used to get around 50-55mpg driving like a nutter, but have had it up to around 60-65mpg when driving like a coffin dodger.

I would turn the Air Con/Heating off to get more MPG, but I've heard that if you don't use it it can stop working. Also I could stop listening to music/radio on my commute, but that would be too depressing.

I would turn the Air Con/Heating off to get more MPG, but I've heard that if you don't use it it can stop working. Also I could stop listening to music/radio on my commute, but that would be too depressing.

That literally isn't going to make any difference on a diesel.

I might be wrong here, so some one will correct me, but I think the aircon pump is always working even if you dont use it ( like the Mk1 Fabia vRS ) .

The aircon pump has an electrically controlled clutch to connect and disconnect it from the engine. The drive pulley for it is spinning all the time as it's on the alternator belt. My economy record on a remapped 1.9 PD is 73.1 mpg on a 50 minute drive including back roads, A road and motorway (But I was under 60 mph for most of the motorway), it was 64 mpg in the other direction, the difference being that the start of the journey where I got the best mpg was downhill, so the engine got to temperature without ever being loaded heavily. Even though the car readout is about 5% otimistic on MPG it's still pretty good for a car that size given it will match acceleration with a friend's Clio 182 over most of the legal speed range ...

Edited 17 January, 201115 yr by psycholist

Shame you bought the petrol version if MPG means so much to you.

Now that Diesel prices have gone up to make a tank £70 to fill up, and are going up again soon, I have decided to stop driving like a loon. I used to get around 50-55mpg driving like a nutter, but have had it up to around 60-65mpg when driving like a coffin dodger.

I would turn the Air Con/Heating off to get more MPG, but I've heard that if you don't use it it can stop working. Also I could stop listening to music/radio on my commute, but that would be too depressing.

At least we have a choice of performance or economy where the diesel Skodas only have economy.

I just hate stopping to fill up, it is ten minutes of my time as I said (I recall somewhere) I have a fuel card so I only pay the Benefit in Kind on the fuel I use in the car I use for work which I am also paid a £500 pm as compensation for using.

I have a wiesel car too, the fantastic 130 hp 1.9 D Octy 1 estate which averages 57 mpg and can do well over 60 mpg if driven gently and even 70 mpg going through the 50/55 mph variable limits.

0-60 in over 8 seconds is just so warm hatch territiory. I might get another diesel sometime but it really needs to be 5 or 6 cylinders to make semi decent performance but then the economy get bad.

Ther Answer is hybrid of course. 100 Kw electric and just a 50 Kw diesel or petrol through 4 wheels sounds about right.

Edited 17 January, 201115 yr by lol

As mentioned in another thread, I saw 48 mpg on my 1.8TSi a week or so ago, when cruising home on the A31/M27/A27 at 58 mph on cruise control. The reading lasted quite a while until I hit some traffic near Arundel and had to start driving again!! Fuel was supermarket 95.

At least we have a choice of performance or economy where the diesel Skodas only have economy.

So my VRS only has economy??

Its 4 cyclinder, has 170bhp and i still get 50+mpg everyday...

Edited 17 January, 201115 yr by jrw

At least we have a choice of performance or economy where the diesel Skodas only have economy.

Diesel VRS... 170bhp

Petrol 1.8... 160bhp

You were never one for top trumps.

Edited 17 January, 201115 yr by luke_a

Diesel VRS... 170bhp

Petrol 1.8... 160bhp

You were never one for top trumps.

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I choose acceleration figures. (Skoda brochure)

Wiesel VRS 0-100 kph - 8.3 seconds

Petrol 1.8 TSI 0-100 kph 7.8 seconds

Vehicles Skoda Octavia II 1.8 TSi V S Skoda Octavia II RS 2.0 TDI (independant magazine - French I think.)

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Gearbox : manual 6 gear manual 6 gear

Power : 160 PS 170 PS

Torque : 250 Nm 350 Nm

Weight/Power ratio : 9.13 Kg/PS 1 9.24 Kg/PS 1

1 Weight (EU) heaviest verified in running order

Performances

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Max Real Speed : 223 Km/h 224 Km/h

Km : 28.4 s . 30.2 s.

0 to 40 : 2.2 s. 2.3 s.

0 to 60 : 4 s. 3.8 s.

0 to 80 : 5.8 s. 6.1 s.

0 to 100 : 7.7 s. 8.6 s.

0 to 120 : 11.3 s. 12.5 s.

0 to 140 : 15.2 s. 16.6 s.

0 to 160 : 19.9 s. 23.3 s.

80 to 120 min : 5.5 s. 6.1 s.

80 to 120 in 4 : 6.6 s. 6.3 s.

80 to 120 in 5 : 8.7 s. 8.2 s.

80 to 120 in 6 : 10.5 s. 11.1 s

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On many rolling roads 1.8 TSI puts out calcuated 170 hp, Skoda/VAG some say wanted it to be far enough away from quoted petrol VRS figure. Uses same EA888 engine.

Edited 17 January, 201115 yr by lol

So my VRS only has economy??

Its 4 cyclinder, has 170bhp and i still get 50+mpg everyday...

Woof Woof

Shame you bought the petrol version if MPG means so much to you.

Now that Diesel prices have gone up to make a tank £70 to fill up, and are going up again soon, I have decided to stop driving like a loon. I used to get around 50-55mpg driving like a nutter, but have had it up to around 60-65mpg when driving like a coffin dodger.

I would turn the Air Con/Heating off to get more MPG, but I've heard that if you don't use it it can stop working. Also I could stop listening to music/radio on my commute, but that would be too depressing.

Nope MPG does not mean all that much to me, I did the calculations when I bought the petrol and it would take over 5 years to recover the additional cost for the diesel. It was just an interesting experiment like the one where I out dragged some goon in a Honda Civic Type-R who thought he could out-run a Skoda Elegance. I guess peaky V-Tech engines can be caught out by the relentless VAG Turbo Torque.

I am reasonably happy with the 35ish MPG I get normally driving in the manner I feel comfortable doing.

Nope MPG does not mean all that much to me, I did the calculations when I bought the petrol and it would take over 5 years to recover the additional cost for the diesel. It was just an interesting experiment like the one where I out dragged some goon in a Honda Civic Type-R who thought he could out-run a Skoda Elegance. I guess peaky V-Tech engines can be caught out by the relentless VAG Turbo Torque.

I am reasonably happy with the 35ish MPG I get normally driving in the manner I feel comfortable doing.

I went for the DSG as it seems to manage around 40 mpg, I have to been really thrashing it to get down to low or mid thirtys but equally can get mid forties mpg if gentle.

I have had, through no choice, diesel company cars, expensive on company car tax ie much more than the 1.8 TSI and much less fun to drive. Fortunately a distant memory now.

Even VAG does not want people to order diesels and they are offering all sorts of sweetners to go for the fabulous TSIs, direct injection, turbo'd, why but a diesel unless you are in a country where diesel is much cheaper than petrol and then buy a descent one Audi 6 cylinder, BMW, Merc, Volvo 5 cylinder. Come on VAG produce a decent small diesel ! (130 hp 1.9D exception to rule, espeically in Fabia VRS and Ibiza Cupra 160 hp - 0-60 - 7.6 seconds)

Edited 17 January, 201115 yr by lol

I went for the DSG as it seems to manage around 40 mpg, I have to been really thrashing it to get down to low or mid thirtys but equally can get mid forties mpg if gentle.

I have had, through no choice, diesel company cars, expensive on company car tax ie much more than the 1.8 TSI and much less fun to drive. Fortunately a distant memory now.

Even VAG does not want people to order diesels and they are offering all sorts of sweetners to go for the fabulous TSIs, direct injection, turbo'd, why but a diesel unless you are in a country where diesel is much cheaper than petrol and then buy a descent one Audi 6 cylinder, BMW, Merc, Volvo 5 cylinder. Come on VAG produce a decent small diesel ! (130 hp 1.9D exception to rule, espeically in Fabia VRS and Ibiza Cupra 160 hp - 0-60 - 7.6 seconds)

They don't want you to order diesels as there is such a back log of them.

I went for diesel because the petrol VRS would struggle to break 34mpg whereas i get 52mpg average.

So over 15k the petrol would cost me 441 gallons (2002 litres or £2502 @ £1.25) vs 288 gallons (1307 litres or £1686 @ £1.29). So i am saving nearly a grand a year for not much performance difference.

The 2.0CR is a decent 'small' diesel engine and knocks socks off the 1.9 130bhp (which i also own).

woof woof...whatever that means...

They don't want you to order diesels as there is such a back log of them.

I went for diesel because the petrol VRS would struggle to break 34mpg whereas i get 52mpg average.

So over 15k the petrol would cost me 441 gallons (2002 litres or £2502 @ £1.25) vs 288 gallons (1307 litres or £1686 @ £1.29). So i am saving nearly a grand a year for not much performance difference.

The 2.0CR is a decent 'small' diesel engine and knocks socks off the 1.9 130bhp (which i also own).

woof woof...whatever that means...

I would have liked a diesel VRS but was so much more expensive when I added the essential extras the Elegance had standard. One day I will let my heart rule my head. I just did not like the 140PD Derv on offer as an alternative to the 1.8TSI, maybe if the 140CR was out I might have gone for that.

They don't want you to order diesels as there is such a back log of them.

I went for diesel because the petrol VRS would struggle to break 34mpg whereas i get 52mpg average.

So over 15k the petrol would cost me 441 gallons (2002 litres or £2502 @ £1.25) vs 288 gallons (1307 litres or £1686 @ £1.29). So i am saving nearly a grand a year for not much performance difference.

The 2.0CR is a decent 'small' diesel engine and knocks socks off the 1.9 130bhp (which i also own).

woof woof...whatever that means...

VAG has put most of its recent research in to Petrol engine not diesels and won the respected Vienna Engine awards for them, do not remember when they last one a diesel award. 5 litre diesel engine in the R10, R15, R18 is good but then it is a V config.

We can easily get over 40 mpg out of our TSI VRS. 175 gms/CO2, lower buy price means company and road tax is not too bad either.

Not much performance difference! The TSI VRS is 16% faster accelerating than the Diesel VRS, the 1.8 TSI and old MK 1 VRS is 8 % faster accelerating than the Diesel VRS.

There are 500 police petrol VRS and no diesel VRS that I have ever seen, why, because the perorrmance gap is huge. Petrol VRS will catch most things, 0-60 7 seconds, top wack over 150 mph. When chipped more like 6 seconds to 60 and top speed around 170 mph.

I do not wish to offend but IMO 4 cylinder diesel VAG engine are currently dog like perfromance and I do not mean greyhound. Slower than the BMW 320 Eff Dynamics even, how embarressing which has less hp ie same as the 1.8 TSI ie 160.

I started life as a diesel engineer but the current config of VAG diesels are not enticing to me. Then I do have a fuel card for work. My 1.9D outdrags 140 hp VAGS, probably because it is lighter as well, close to 170 hp, car length or so in it, maybe it is chipped but it is mighty quick as was our Fabia diesel VRS compaed to current 4 cylinder VAGS.

Edited 18 January, 201115 yr by lol

I would have liked a diesel VRS but was so much more expensive when I added the essential extras the Elegance had standard. One day I will let my heart rule my head. I just did not like the 140PD Derv on offer as an alternative to the 1.8TSI, maybe if the 140CR was out I might have gone for that.

Agreed. I wanted the L&K bits plus the 7 speed gearbox, paddles and bluetooth for phone so the 1.8 TSI was the natural choice. substantially quicker than the Diesel VRS ie 8%, 43 mpg combined, 52 mpg extra urban, lower company car tax, not that seems to matter with current employer as their deal is to load all fuel used as BIK and balance against miles done at 40p/25p per mile but with fuel consumption so good and petrol about 3% cheaper than diesel works out brilliantly.

140 hp diesel is also dissapointing performance wise, 0-62 in over 9 seconds, fuel consumption only around 50 mpg. I get that acceleration out of the 130hp 1.9D and upper 50s mpg, will not change that car until VAG really up there game with diesels ie hybrid. 3 cylinder diesel with about 75 Kw and then a electric motor with about 50 kw, preferrably driving the back wheels so the acceleration is not so dire ie better than the BMW. AS said before wiesel only makes sense when it is much cheaper per litre than petrol in not in UK.

VAG has put most of its recent research in to Petrol engine not diesels and won the respected Vienna Engine awards for them, do not remember when they last one a diesel award. 5 litre diesel engine in the R10, R15, R18 is good but then it is a V config.

We can easily get over 40 mpg out of our TSI VRS. 175 gms/CO2, lower buy price means company and road tax is not too bad either.

Not much performance difference! The TSI VRS is 16% faster accelerating than the Diesel VRS, the 1.8 TSI and old MK 1 VRS is 8 % faster accelerating than the Diesel VRS.

There are 500 police petrol VRS and no diesel VRS that I have ever seen, why, because the perorrmance gap is huge. Petrol VRS will catch most things, 0-60 7 seconds, top wack over 150 mph. When chipped more like 6 seconds to 60 and top speed around 170 mph.

I do not wish to offend but IMO 4 cylinder diesel VAG engine are currently dog like perfromance and I do not mean greyhound. Slower than the BMW 320 Eff Dynamics even, how embarressing which has less hp ie same as the 1.8 TSI ie 160.

I started life as a diesel engine but they current config of VAG diesels are not enticing to me. Then I do have a fuel card for work. My 1.9D outdrags 140 hp VAGS, probably because it is lighter as well, close to 170 hp, car length or so in it, maybe it is chipped but it is mighty quick as was our Fabia diesel VRS compaed to current 4 cylinder VAGS.

Firstly how would you know whether the police have diesel or petrol? There are no visual differences between the 2.

Secondly in the real world there isn't that much performance difference. When do you do 0-60 all the time? its in gear acceleration, 30-50, 50-70 etc....

I would hardly call 170BHP dog like from a 4cyl 2litre really.

51 mpg on the run up from Worcester to Liverpool until hit the rush our traffic through Liverpool. It just gets better and better.

Running 40 psi in th rear tyre and feels fine, still only 33 psi in the front as do not want to loose any grip.

Freezing fog helped keep speed down and consumption up.

Soon be up to the 53 mpg Extra urban quoted figure at this rate.

Diesel VRS... 170bhp

Petrol 1.8... 160bhp

You were never one for top trumps.

Also 1.4 TSI as in the Fabia.... 180BHP.....Shame they didn't put the 'performance' engine in the pipe and slippers edition Octavia!!

Also 1.4 TSI as in the Fabia.... 180BHP.....Shame they didn't put the 'performance' engine in the pipe and slippers edition Octavia!!

Yes but the 1.4TSI only runs at the full 180 hp when you use 98 Octane fuel which makes it even more expensive to run. Plus with some companies, if you run a sub 1.5 litre car you can only claim 30 p a mle or so rather than 40p a mile with over 1.5 litre.

What we need is a 1,6 TSI with about 200 hp which runs on 95 Octane and preferrably as a Fabia IRC replica. Dissappoint Monte Carlo Rally but I expect they will win the IRC again this season.

Hybrid too please (about 20hp would do), would have been useful on the A14 closure yesterday with the Ethanol tanker 2 hour delay in traffic to help MPG.

Yes but the 1.4TSI only runs at the full 180 hp when you use 98 Octane fuel which makes it even more expensive to run. Plus with some companies, if you run a sub 1.5 litre car you can only claim 30 p a mle or so rather than 40p a mile with over 1.5 litre.

What we need is a 1,6 TSI with about 200 hp which runs on 95 Octane and preferrably as a Fabia IRC replica. Dissappoint Monte Carlo Rally but I expect they will win the IRC again this season.

Hybrid too please (about 20hp would do), would have been useful on the A14 closure yesterday with the Ethanol tanker 2 hour delay in traffic to help MPG.

You are missing the point. You are going on about how wonderful the 'performance' petrols that VAG make and wish they did a diesel version. What i am saying is that 160bhp out of a 1.8TSI is hardly a revelation or a 'performance' engine. the 2.0FSI N/A was 150BHP when it was released and they did a 225bhp version of the 1.8T.

To be getting the MPG that you are quoting (50 odd MPG) then you aren't using any of that performance. I would imagine that if i drive like you must do to get those figures then I would be looking at 65-70MPG in mine. I think i will stick with 52mpg and still having some fun instead of having my eyes glued to the maxidot the whole journey. If you are constantly on MPG watch then a diesel will be faster A-B everytime.

Also for the record not everyone has company miles paid or a company car which you seem to also keep going on about with BIK and engine sizes for mileage. If they did have a company car the chances are it would be a diesel anyway or the 1.4TSI

You are missing the point. You are going on about how wonderful the 'performance' petrols that VAG make and wish they did a diesel version. What i am saying is that 160bhp out of a 1.8TSI is hardly a revelation or a 'performance' engine. the 2.0FSI N/A was 150BHP when it was released and they did a 225bhp version of the 1.8T.

To be getting the MPG that you are quoting (50 odd MPG) then you aren't using any of that performance. I would imagine that if i drive like you must do to get those figures then I would be looking at 65-70MPG in mine. I think i will stick with 52mpg and still having some fun instead of having my eyes glued to the maxidot the whole journey. If you are constantly on MPG watch then a diesel will be faster A-B everytime.

Also for the record not everyone has company miles paid or a company car which you seem to also keep going on about with BIK and engine sizes for mileage. If they did have a company car the chances are it would be a diesel anyway or the 1.4TSI

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I think you miss my point. The TSI engines are so wonderful I can get 53 mpg out of the 1.8 TSI DSG ie the extra urban consumption but when I want to give some wellie does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds. I may only so that one percent of the time but it is there for me to use. The Diesel VRS is slow (ish) accelerating 100% of the time as it does not have the ability to accelerate many "average" cars like the BMW 320 Eff Dynamics an eco version.

The EA888 engine in the 1.8 TSI is a revalation. Produces very good torque from 1500 rpm, maximum power at a lowly 4500 rpm which is some 2000 rpm before the readline and pulls solidly up to there. If you overlay the 170 hp VAG diesel power and torgue curve over the 1.8 TSI most people would probably get the two curves mixed up as the TSI mas a broaded torque and power over a higher percentage of the rev range.

Again you miss the point on company car taxation. the 1.8 TSI is only one CO2 group higher ie 155 g instead of 150g but becuase the UK Government loads diesels with an extra 3% loading because they are diesels and with the higher P11D value you actually end up paying more company car tax for the wiesel than you do the petrol. Some company car schemes only allow diesels which I hated, I rejoice haveing the freedom to choose. The 180 hp 1.4 TSI would suit me in the Octavia, yes please.

Edited 22 January, 201115 yr by lol

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I think you miss my point. The TSI engines are so wonderful I can get 53 mpg out of the 1.8 TSI DSG ie the extra urban consumption but when I want to give some wellie does 0-60 in 7.5 seconds. I may only so that one percent of the time but it is there for me to use. The Diesel VRS is slow (ish) accelerating 100% of the time as it does not have the ability to accelerate many "average" cars like the BMW 320 Eff Dynamics an eco version.

The EA888 engine in the 1.8 TSI is a revalation. Produces very good torque from 1500 rpm, maximum power at a lowly 4500 rpm which is some 2000 rpm before the readline and pulls solidly up to there. If you overlay the 170 hp VAG diesel power and torgue curve over the 1.8 TSI most people would probably get the two curves mixed up as the TSI mas a broaded torque and power over a higher percentage of the rev range.

Again you miss the point on company car taxation. the 1.8 TSI is only one CO2 group higher ie 155 g instead of 150g but becuase the UK Government loads diesels with an extra 3% loading because they are diesels and with the higher P11D value you actually end up paying more company car tax for the wiesel than you do the petrol. Some company car schemes only allow diesels which I hated, I rejoice haveing the freedom to choose. The 180 hp 1.4 TSI would suit me in the Octavia, yes please.

so you have fun 1% of the time and i have fun 100% of the time. I can do 0-60, 30-50, 30-70, 50-70 harsh accelerations as often as i want and not worry about my MPG going into the high 20's, early 30's.

With regards to company car taxation the monthly cost for the VRS DSG diesel of the L&K 1.8 DSG is £2 a month. I would more than make up that £2 a month in MPG in one journey to work.

There is 0.5 seconds difference in the 0-60 time which hardly puts yours in the fast accelerating bracket and mine in the slow accelerating bracket.

It is also quite interesting that you state that it does not have the ability to accelerate like the BMW 320 Efficient Dynamics...which again is only .5 of a second faster (but that is for the manual...i believe that the auto is 8.0 seconds which is exactly the same as mine).

If you are so convinced that your 1.8TSI is so much of a revelation and so much better than a diesel then put your money where your mouth is and do a 1/4 mile against me at GTI International! :p