As per the thread title....European GP - usual suspects. Shan't bother continuing to watch this if it continues. Like the old shoe maker days...dreadfully dull week after week.

Only saw some of it.........:zzz:

They really need to drop Valencia. By all accounts the GP2 and GP3 races were equally as dull. I say drop the European GP in Valencia and move it to somewhere else like the UK. I'd love to have two races here. What circuits could do it? They could always revamp Pembrey

Australia has commented that if F1 goes with the V6 and 12,000 rpm rule they will go to the Indy Series rather than stay with F1. Several countries in addition to the US have adopted Indy Car. Yes they race on Ovals, actually not truly ovals but ovalish, they run at much higher speeds that F1 cars and there is massively more overtaking and they have women drivers (Danica Patrick)!

NASCAR, drivers physcially fights both with the cars and afterwards are virtually encouraged to have a pop. Hundreds of overtakes per race. 200 mph, often pushing nose to tail, in cars you can pop down and buy, well the shape is the same and engine block, Camry, Charger, Fusion (not the same Ford version in Europe) and Impala. After a depressing F1 "race" usually have a fun NASCAR to look forward to and twice as often as there are 35 races odd per season.

I have heard this about quite a few of the tracks saying they will drop the races. They think the engines are going to be too quite. Even at 12k rpm a turbo V6 in an F1 will certainly not be quiet, do these people not remember the 80's turbos? Teams are now proposing 15k rpm instead.

I hope the tracks are prepared to go through with their "threat" because the new engines are going to happen. The irony is that IndyCar is also going down a similar engine path, so they won't be any louder.

There may well be loads of overtaking in NASCAR, but 99% of it means absolutely nothing. The cars aren't even close to the shape of the road cars either, they are all effectively the same other than the engines.

IndyCar can produce a bit more overtaking than F1 as the cars have nowhere near the downforce of F1. On ovals they can reach 230mph, but on a road course they would be about 10sec per lap slower than F1.

Of course, being 10sec slower is irrelevent when you have better racing, but you get crap races in all motorsport disciplines. The track is largely to blame at Valencia. Dump it and hold the race at the Aragon track, anyone who watched GT1 there last year will know what I mean, you had "endurance" GT cars slugging it out like Touring Cars, it was amazing!

#53 para 5 - I agree; the Valentia track is an "anti-raceing track" to a greater extent than pretty much anything else bar the one they run in the dark. After all, we actually had overtaking moves at Monaco!

True Ken. The Assen MotoGP race was pretty crap, after a couple of laps, the field spread out and only Lorenzo and Sideshow Bob coming back through the field provided any overtaking at all.

As Brundle says, "They can't all be classics"

I think F1 has finally realised that the cars are the most to blame for the overtaking issues, hence inventing DRS. If their downforce levels were slashed hard, they would be better able to race each other.

This season though has still been entertaining, however without a bad strategy call in China and a mistake under pressure in Canada, Vettel would have won every race. A top class driver in the best car. Like Button in 2009, 1988's McLarens with Prost & Senna, or Mansell in 1992 with the Williams FW14B?

Edited 27 June, 201115 yr by Mike Wrightson