The iPhone has never been a good "phone", but a pretty good complete package.

It's all horses for courses, I loved my old iPhones, 2G / 3G / 3GS but then switched to Android, and personally don't think I would go back.

Pricing of the 4s seems really good as I pointed out before, for the base 16GB model, but the prices get ridiculous when you want more storage. I would (and I can't believe I am saying this) have considered a 4s, but 16GB is not enough for me, and £599 is to much to pay for a smartphone with 32GB Storage. I spend a lot of time sitting around in airports, train stations so like to carry plenty of movies, TV Series etc on the phone. I like the idea behind the iCloud, only in so much that I could grab things like Podcasts I subscribe to and access some of my iTunes library.

For me, personally, an Android phone lets me have all the customisation I want, I can expand it's storage for minimum cost, has excellent integration with google apps (I run my business domain through google apps).

The only other thing I am looking at other than Android at the moment is Mango, and again it's down to the integration features, and for me and my line of work, Mango could prove to be the best option with onenote integration and access to all of my Microsoft information and resources with a single login. Playing with a Mango phone last week and IE9 is seriously quick on it, and is essentially the full browser, not a cut down mobile one.

I have big hands, and like the 4" + Screens around at the moment, I also feel that apart from pixel count, the retina display on the iPhone is overhyped as essentially it's "just" an LCD screen and it will never match the contrast or viewing angles of a Super AMOLED.

My wifes hairdresser was talking at the weekend and said "the new iPhone looks awesome, I am buying myself out of my iPhone 4 contract to get the new one", I said to her "How does it look awesome, it has the same physical dimensions and appearance as your current iPhone 4" She said, "I guess, but it's the latest one isn't it, and like Apple said, it's like 7 times faster and has 2 chips and stuff!". I was gobsmacked, I need to get out of IT and take up hairdressing if that means you can throw £200 ish at your network provider to get out of a contract and then find the extra money for the iPhone 4s and another contract.

Whatever else, a lot of people out there, Apple fanboys included, feel a bit like Adolph today

I knew Hitler would come up in this thread

That video has been used in so many things, in particular against an arrogant SOAB called Paul Bigland (A railway photo-journalist), who's arrogance & ego has no bounds. .

He's the type where no one else is allowed any opinion other than his.

Apple announce over 1 million pre-orders for the 4s . . . . . . . BAAAA! BAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was on a Uni campus with all the newbies recently and later in the city centre where there is an Apple store.

If I ever hear a student claiming poverty I'll shove their macbook pro, ipad and iphone up their ass! You cant move for them on campus, and they were queuing out the door waiting to be issued with their shiny new toys.

To test it bring the calculator up, rotate the phone, so that all the extra functions appear inc. % & √.

Then enter 100+20% = and you'll see that according to it, it's 100.20!

Which is clearly wrong, as the correct answer is 120!

Try 100 + (100 x 20%) perhaps? I seem to remember that's how you had to enter such things into a Casio calculator I had many years ago.

Strictly speaking 20% means 20/100 so (100 + 20% = 100.20) is true.

Edited 18 October, 201114 yr by juan27

EERRR WRONG!! 100 x 20% = 20 100 + 20% should therefore equal 120 Someone needs to lay off of the drinkable pizza.

EERRR WRONG!! 100 x 20% = 20 100 + 20% should therefore equal 120 Someone needs to lay off of the drinkable pizza.

There's no need to be rude....

You're correct saying 100 x 20% = 20. That's true. 100 x 20% = 100 x 20/100 = 100 x .20 = 20

So you can say 100 + 20% of 100 = 120 which written another way is 100 + (100 x 20%) = 120.

As I said before 20% without the "of" just means 20/100 therefore 100 + 20% = 100 + 20/100 = 100.20

I appreciate some calculators will return "100 + 20%" = 120, but that's not strictly correct, and you can't say a calculator returning the correct answer according to the rigorous conventions of mathematical notation is incorrect.

Edited 18 October, 201114 yr by juan27

I remember getting one of the very first Sinclair calculators in the mid 70's and apart from it costing me the best part of a week's wages, you had to input with Polish Notation.

It certainly wasn't the easiest thing to learn so it was quickly 'upgraded' to a Commodore SR4912 which I still find easier to use than some of the newer ones.

It even works out that 100+20%=120 so if anyone wants to swap a Samsung Galaxy S2 for it then I may just be persuaded to part with my 'old school' tech for your 'non functioning' tech.

According to the calculator on Windows 7:

100 x 20% = 2000

So it interprets "100 x 20%" as 100 x (20% of 100) = 100 x 20 = 2000.

Say what you like 100 x 20% is 20. Anything else is rewriting the rules.

What did the Commodore say for that?

Edited 18 October, 201114 yr by juan27

Say what you like 100 x 20% is 20.

What did the Commodore say for that?

I (and the trusty Commodore) agree with you juan27!

Also 100-20%=80

I (and the trusty Commodore) agree with you juan27!

Also 100-20%=80

Ah but if we agree 100 x 20% = 20 and the substitute X for 20% then

100.X = 20 and X=20/100 = 0.20

Therefore 100 + 20% = 100 + X = 100 + 0.20 = 100.20.

Windows 7 is "wrong" in my opinion but it is at least consistently wrong!

Ah but if we agree 100 x 20% = 20 and the substitute X for 20% then

100.X = 20 and X=20/100 = 0.20

Therefore 100 + 20% = 100 + X = 100 + 0.20 = 100.20.

Windows 7 is "wrong" in my opinion but it is at least consistently wrong!

Arggghhh. That's the last time I'm going to agree with you juan27!

I'll let the newly married GG take up the gauntlet now as I'm off to poke my eyes out with a hot poker!

Arggghhh. That's the last time I'm going to agree with you juan27!

I'll let the newly married GG take up the gauntlet now as I'm off to poke my eyes out with a hot poker!

I was being pedantic with the hope of a slightly comic effect!

Edited 18 October, 201114 yr by juan27

But ........ after all the waffle about percentages, Is the Galaxy S2 a good phone, Yes, thread closed?

But ........ after all the waffle about percentages, Is the Galaxy S2 a good phone, Yes, thread closed?

Yes apparently it does percentages with mathematical rigour.

To do tethering do you need to buy a SIM free one? On the Gadget Show the other week they seemed to say that nearly all subsidised smart phones from the major providers have tethering disabled.

This has been a major reason I have not got a smart phone as its my data I've paid for it etc.

If it does tethering on an Orange plan I'd probably get one as soon a the posty can deliver it.

AFAIA, All (newish OS) Android phones allow tethering and it's just the iPhone (and certain networks) that can enable or disable it.

So, in answer to your question juan27, there's a 20% chance of you picking the right network - as determined by Commodore John999boy. :p

AFAIA, All (newish OS) Android phones allow tethering and it's just the iPhone (and certain networks) that can enable or disable it.

So, in answer to your question juan27, there's a 20% chance of you picking the right network - as determined by Commodore John999boy. :p

Found it on Orange's Website. Looks like on contracts since September tethering is freely available on Panther and £1/day on other plans.

Edited 19 October, 201114 yr by juan27

Rules of mathematics, you process the calculations inside parenthesis first, then proceed from left to right; or are you disagreeing with my university tutor?? M$ Calculator Plus also gives 2000 as the (WRONG!) answer, the problem lies in the fact that the software is not written to follow the rules, one of the first subjects covered in the maths section of the degree course I took was rearranging formula so various brands of calculator would give the correct answer. However this SHOULD NOT be an issue today, when electronics are cheap enough that the math firmware should have enough memory to parse the calculation correctly. For those of us who were taught to do calculations by hand, this type of error should usually get noticed, but the first generation of students allowed to use electronic calculators are screwed; this is why they are taught how to estimate the answer these days.

Rules of mathematics, you process the calculations inside parenthesis first, then proceed from left to right

Technically the order of operation is Brackets, Indices, Division and Multiplication, Addition and Subtraction. Or so I was taught?

ie 1 + 1 x 0 + 1 = 2 rather than just left to right (which = 1)

Rules of mathematics, you process the calculations inside parenthesis first, then proceed from left to right; or are you disagreeing with my university tutor?? M$ Calculator Plus also gives 2000 as the (WRONG!) answer, the problem lies in the fact that the software is not written to follow the rules, one of the first subjects covered in the maths section of the degree course I took was rearranging formula so various brands of calculator would give the correct answer. However this SHOULD NOT be an issue today, when electronics are cheap enough that the math firmware should have enough memory to parse the calculation correctly. For those of us who were taught to do calculations by hand, this type of error should usually get noticed, but the first generation of students allowed to use electronic calculators are screwed; this is why they are taught how to estimate the answer these days.

Err, who's disagreeing with anything about order of processing?

lol, I just came in here to comment on teh Galaxy SII and saw all this maths stuff! wtf!?!? lol

Anyway... yep the SII is amazing... better than the iPhone 4S in many ways

Don't think about it, get it

lol, I just came in here to comment on teh Galaxy SII and saw all this maths stuff! wtf!?!? lol

Anyway... yep the SII is amazing... better than the iPhone 4S in many ways

Don't think about it, get it

I'm 92.3% convinced

Rules of mathematics, you process the calculations inside parenthesis first, then proceed from left to right; or are you disagreeing with my university tutor?? M$ Calculator Plus also gives 2000 as the (WRONG!) answer, the problem lies in the fact that the software is not written to follow the rules, one of the first subjects covered in the maths section of the degree course I took was rearranging formula so various brands of calculator would give the correct answer. However this SHOULD NOT be an issue today, when electronics are cheap enough that the math firmware should have enough memory to parse the calculation correctly. For those of us who were taught to do calculations by hand, this type of error should usually get noticed, but the first generation of students allowed to use electronic calculators are screwed; this is why they are taught how to estimate the answer these days.

But whats your opinion of the Galaxy S2 ?

I simplified slightly, you want to get into breaking the formula down into sections and then using the rules you mention, then you are correct. It still doesnt make the answers given by the S2, or the various forms of M$ calculator, correct. As for the S2, I wont be buying one, or any other "smart" phone, at least until I can see the point in owning one that goes beyond willy waving; I want a phone that I can forget about until I need to make or receive a call, and not worry about the battery dying, my Samsung B2100 gives me that, as well as being water and shock proof, and having a battery that only needs charging every other week or so. It is also a "world" phone, so it works in places like China, where most iPhones wont work unless you buy the CDMA versions, although for some reason here in China I have to charge it weekly.