Well I went up to Syke last month and didnt take much notice going up but coming home I did check it out.

The trip from Skye to home is 457 miles.

Set of in faily poor weather so the run from Skye to Glasgow was 45-65 mph on nice twisty A roads Checked the trip computer and it reads 48.4mpg.

Steady run through Glasgow then M74, M6, A66, then A1 al the way back to sheffield.

Did the trip on 1 tank of fuel and the warning light popped on about 5 miles from home so had a potential 40-50 miles left in the tank.

Filled it up and it took 49.?? lt of fuel but that was the next day after a bit of local running around.

My everyday running is around the 36-39 mpg mark.

I have never really check properly as its a company car and I have a fuel card.

But the car has now done 77,000 miles in 19 months.

Yes the diesels do 5 or 10 mpg better but they are dull as dishwater

Wow then you get 55/60mpg based on Briski diesel owners actual results, that's actually very good.

Obi when is the dead line for getting new car? We are all awaiting your decision. Good to see your thinking about and not just blindly picking one or the other.

Wow then you get 55/60mpg based on Briski diesel owners actual results, that's actually very good.

Obi when is the dead line for getting new car? We are all awaiting your decision. Good to see your thinking about and not just blindly picking one or the other.

Fubar, I must be driving yee all mad with all my anal questions ; )

I'm thinking about it alright, probably thinking too much

No tight deadline, next 6 months or so

Fubar, I must be driving yee all mad with all my anal questions ; )

you said the "a" word

Never think you've asked too many questions. No point ending up getting the wrong car! The correct one to buy is the one you want the most. If you would rather the diesel but on budget don't like it enough to get an older one than a petrol then petrol is the choice, like wise with the running costs side of things at moment my 13 month old diesel has 6500 miles but petrol is 41p a litre more here than diesel so works even better for me. Shame other governments milk the tax on diesel so much . When I move back to the UK that flips around a little but not to the same extreme of difference in price. My decision was based on the fact I liked the diesel more and as we have said in one or two of the other threads you would need to be keeping it for a long time as you are well aware of the depreciation of a petrol in ROI and difficulty in selling after that again. Where as everyone seems to love a diesel there.

I wouldnt be buying new fubar

I'd be buying 2-3 years old so by that stage, a fair blast of depreciation should have gone already, well that's what I hope anyways ; )

And petrol here is roughly 10 cent dearer than diesel

All of this tax situation may change in the next budget.........where the government are on about changing the pricing on the car tax system, so maybe diesel cars won't be as popular after the next budget

I wouldnt be buying new fubar

I'd be buying 2-3 years old so by that stage, a fair blast of depreciation should have gone already, well that's what I hope anyways ; )

And petrol here is roughly 10 cent dearer than diesel

All of this tax situation may change in the next budget.........where the government are on about changing the pricing on the car tax system, so maybe diesel cars won't be as popular after the next budget

Good to be able to hold off until then if possible. Best not put tax on diesel up in ROI that would mean when im at home having to buy diesel in NI for first time in about 7 years

500 miles is possible with sensible driving(= 40MPG - and 'dull as dishwater' getting there).; I sold my 1.8 TSI a few weeks ago but it was a DSG rather than a manual. The range on the MDI(You get a range on your iPod?!) could well show over 600 miles (after brimming and 'coasting' down a long hill) but it is hard to resist giving the 1.8 TSI a blast now and then blowing off the slower 4 cylinder VAG diesels* you will occasionally come across (*Referring to the 1.9 105bhp PD Diesel).

Yes the diesels do 5 or 10 mpg better (Which according to the lol school of maths puts them at around 80mpg)but they are dull as dishwater(still not as dull as trying to get 500miles out of a tank in the TSI though).

Just thought i would clear up a few things in your post for the benefit of everyone.

Also begs the question;

-Have you actually ever driven a 'dull as dishwater' 170 CR or PD?

I think we all know what the answer is on that one.

Now i think everyone has had enough and it is about time you STOPPED spouting total rubbish on this forum once and for all.

Time after time you have been asked for proof of the rubbish you spout but not once have you provided any.

Thanks PC 1212 for the "Like This" above.

Some people will not accept Audi figures, SEAT's figures, Skoda's figures, VW figures, the motor press's figures on the acceleration and economy of the latest TSI engines.

The direct injection tubocharged engines, supercharged and turbocharged in the case of my Fabia vRS, are capble of fuel consumption well in the 40s mpg and yet 0-60s in the 7s, a very impressive mix.

If I lived in another country where diesel was cheaper than petrol I would consider a diesel, probably a V6 one to get the level of performance I am use to with the TSI vRSs, but here in the UK, with the deal Skoda have done on the TSIs, and that petrol seems to be usually several pence per litre cheaper than diesel and that it supply seems more secure in that it comes from Europe rather than outside Europe and the issue people seem to have with DPF etc it seems the logical choice.

Just hope Skoda start to get some of the hotter TSI engines soon and ones with the new technology ie VVT, fuel cylinder cut off which will make them ever better to drive and run.

Some people won't go off facts or proof either.

I think I'll stick with 50+mpg and late 6's 0-60 in my dull as dishwater diesel.

One thing nobody mentioned was fuel grade. I seem to recall previous arguments...er...sorry, threads, where slightly different mpg was had from 98 compared to 95 etc. or even different mpg with different brands of same octane.

One thing nobody mentioned was fuel grade. I seem to recall previous arguments...er...sorry, threads, where slightly different mpg was had from 98 compared to 95 etc. or even different mpg with different brands of same octane.

Oh good God lets not go down that road since its already been covered lol but as its of relevance to the low mpg quoted at start of thread another topic recently one of our Indian brothers mentioned 91 octane being used in 1.8TSi VRS's

One thing nobody mentioned was fuel grade. I seem to recall previous arguments...er...sorry, threads, where slightly different mpg was had from 98 compared to 95 etc. or even different mpg with different brands of same octane.

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I tried a variety of fuels in my 1.8 TSI and I am pretty sure it makes no difference ie 95 octane or 98 octane.

In our TSI Octavia vRS it must use 95 octane so you should not use 91 octane even if it was available.

In our Fabia TSI vRS it is designed to use 98 Octane but can use 95 Octane but the EMU will retard the ignition so the 1.4 TSI will probably only produce the same BHP as a 2 litre CR diesel ie 170 bhp instread of 180 bhp.

Using higher octane in an engine that does not need it ie 97,98,99 octane in 1.8 TSI is a waste of money, that said Shell and the other top fuel companies, do say the addititives they add to there fuel will help improve fuel consumption.

The Tescos Momentum site claims some very significant percentage increases in economy over their 95 octane fuel but if you look at the cars they choose to compare on it is like the 1.8T we had in the MK 1 vRS and the 225 hp TT which actually state they should or can run better on 98 octane anyway.

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In our TSI Octavia vRS it must use 95 octane so you should not use 91 octane even if it was available.

Hence we concluded this is likely one reason why the Indian VRS is a 1.8TSi not the 2.0 as higher octanes are not widely available.But I will continue to use Shell V-Power diesel as its cheaper here than tesco value petrol in UK and Aral Ultimate 102 octane is reserved for my 1.4 petrol.

Some people won't go off facts or proof either.

I think I'll stick with 50+mpg and late 6's 0-60 in my dull as dishwater diesel.

If your car did a 7 second 0-60 that day then the 1.8 TSI would have done around a 6.7 second and the TSI vRS, Fabia or Octavia, would have done a 6.4 second logically.The acceleration measured by VW-Audi Group companies and the motoring press is about 8% quicker on the 1.8 TSI than the 170 hp CR and about 15% quicker in the 180 hp 1.4 litre TSI Fabia or 200 hp TSI vRS.

If the conditions gave you a 7 second 0-60 then those conditions would have been there for the TSIs. Was not the quickest car that day a turbcharged 1.8 petrol?

The figures are not only there provided by Audi, SEAT, Skoda, VW and the press but if you look at other cars in the range. If you look at the 105 hp diesel compared to petrol the petrol is between half a second and a second quicker.

It is just the laws of physics, a diesels are usually a few tens of kilos heavier and they have far more inertia in spinning the engine internal up to speed which lead to them having less acceleation for the same or in your case less acceleration despite having slight more brake horsepower. As Montgomery Scott would say "you canny change the law of physics" Unless you are operating in a parallel universe which I gather you must so I will give you that exception.

Also you will have the better fuel consumption no argument there but is it really worth it in the UK?

With diesel fuel approximately 5% more expensive, not to mention your more expensive running costs of your DSG box ie wet mulitplate and dry clutches?

Plus supporting the US economy buying their fuel instead of UK North Sea fuel, very unpatriotic.  Have a nice day.

(I am only pulling your chain, live long and prosper)

Edited 21 April, 201214 yr by lol

Well in the April 2012 fuel report in UK it says unleaded went up by 4ppl and diesel went up by 2.4ppl so gap is closing still :p and its not 5% difference diesel in West Midlands for you specifically its 3.6% difference in price that's not much that's £2.86 for a full 55 litre tank ........ hardly a massive expense to achieve 25% more mpg. So hopefully that side of debate is dead.

NOW to put you to work I would like you to go and get some actual real figures like I have done for you and tell me by how much more you loose on depreciation between petrol and diesel cars at..... lets go for 3 and 5 years of ownership from new and base it off average mileage of say 12000 and 16000 a year and factor in for the difference in UK road tax and mpg crossed with fuel prices for the times and show me how much of your £2000 in the bank its actually a saving? There is actually very little in them when you go all the way deep into it. If you want to be really keen add in some like for like servicing costs but no fancy business both must be either manual or DSG not mixed to make one more expensive and before the magic timing chain comes out have you seen what the interval is on the new 2.0 CR TDi is best check because that will not be in any of the costs. Also as you say you do 1k miles a week in your signature lets see the like for like comparison for that too.

And in the UK you do not seem to realise that North Sea Oil does not supply the UK most is exported and its actually a very very good oil majority goes to me in the Netherlands (thanks) and Germany, 17% even goes to USA from UK ffs. UK then buys lower grade oil abroad then bends its citizens over and charges more for the lower quality stuff than other EU countries charge for the better oil they source....... RIP OFF BRITAIN at its finest :( Also fuel prices dropped in April from $126 to $118 a barrel........... yet at the pumps it kept climbing. (partly due to the panic buying this month by a load of total morons.... when is the strike again lolololol what are they going to do when there is an actual strike announced)

^fubar

Nail on head.

You also forgot to mention that the diesel will sell for more and will sell a million times easier, oh and coupled with the fact its the more desirable vrs!

I know for a fact that my car is cheaper in the long run. I simply wouldn't have bought it otherwise and I only do 15k a year. That's even with the whole £120 every 40k for the dsg that he keeps banging on about, the £0 for the cambelt and the total lack of issue that the dpf is on the Cr engine.

As for the 0-60, we will never know what the 1.8 would have got on that day cos someone didn't have any balls.. So again until you can prove your incessant drivel I suggest you shut the hell up.

Oh and just to add, as you seem to posting in a parralell universe, you are right, you can't change the law of physics:

TSI DSG:

155g/km

160ps

250Nm

1295kg

CR DSG:

149g/km

170ps

350Nm

1395kg

The extra 100Nm of torque and extra 10bhp would more than offset the 9% extra weight. in fact a full tank and/or and extra passenger would more than do that anyway.....

Nothing to do with interia of a diesel, or whatever the hell you are banging on about - it produces what it produces regardless of how much power is required to spin the engine.....this is measured either at the flywheel or the wheels so the power needed to spin the engine is already discounted.

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You also forgot to mention that the diesel will sell for more and will sell a million times easier, oh and coupled with the fact its the more desirable vrs!

Its in there to be worked out of course most of us already know the answers though.

Its in there to be worked out of course most of us already know the answers though.

He also knows it, just too pig headed to admit he is wrong. But of course he isn't wrong and wont prove anything........He's gone a little quiet over the claimed 600miles to a tank in his furby too (60MPG! :rofl: ). Of course you have to factor in the internia of his breathing, the fact that it has to run on high octane fuel and also that it needs an average of 1litre of expensive oil every 1-2000 miles......Again, all forgotten and not to be mentioned!

Many are missing the point... I bought a petrol SKODA as it is a cheaper solution for me at the moment, the OP wanted MPG figures which were provided from my experience as I own the exact same car, a 1.8 Tsi.

I can`t afford to do £20K on car and If I could it would not be a Skoda Octavia ... sorry to offend anyone

I was in the market for "newish" , reliable and enjoyable car.

Unlike many on here I actually drove all 3 cars , Petrol VRS, Derv VRS and ( 140 Derv I use one at work)... All are great cars but were out of my budget,

A 58 reg VRS was £8-9 grand (apart from the 7grand 140 Derv)

In the case of the VRs`s the ride was too hard on the local poorly potholed local roads for me.

So the £5100 Octavia 1.8 TSI was steal at current prices,....possibly I got a real bargain, hence my support on here for this fantastic car!

Prior to my purchase I joined this site to monitor any possible pitfalls of Skoda ownership and it seemed to me that the site ( and others like Honest John) are littered with... DPF, DMF, Injector, ABS Teves problems....certainly in cars out of warranty

I could not find many 1.8 Tsi related issues so I was even more swayed to this car.

My circumstances are unique to me, Im not bragging , its just my opinion and for anyone else who is in the same circumstances as myself, there are alternatives...

Spend £2000 less on a car and then pay just an extra £6.50 per week in fuel sounds like financial sense to me.

Well in the April 2012 fuel report in UK it says unleaded went up by 4ppl and diesel went up by 2.4ppl so gap is closing still :p and its not 5% difference diesel in West Midlands for you specifically its 3.6% difference in price that's not much that's £2.86 for a full 55 litre tank ........ hardly a massive expense to achieve 25% more mpg. So hopefully that side of debate is dead.

NOW to put you to work I would like you to go and get some actual real figures like I have done for you and tell me by how much more you loose on depreciation between petrol and diesel cars at..... lets go for 3 and 5 years of ownership from new and base it off average mileage of say 12000 and 16000 a year and factor in for the difference in UK road tax and mpg crossed with fuel prices for the times and show me how much of your £2000 in the bank its actually a saving? There is actually very little in them when you go all the way deep into it. If you want to be really keen add in some like for like servicing costs but no fancy business both must be either manual or DSG not mixed to make one more expensive and before the magic timing chain comes out have you seen what the interval is on the new 2.0 CR TDi is best check because that will not be in any of the costs. Also as you say you do 1k miles a week in your signature lets see the like for like comparison for that too.

And in the UK you do not seem to realise that North Sea Oil does not supply the UK most is exported and its actually a very very good oil majority goes to me in the Netherlands (thanks) and Germany, 17% even goes to USA from UK ffs. UK then buys lower grade oil abroad then bends its citizens over and charges more for the lower quality stuff than other EU countries charge for the better oil they source....... RIP OFF BRITAIN at its finest :( Also fuel prices dropped in April from $126 to $118 a barrel........... yet at the pumps it kept climbing. (partly due to the panic buying this month by a load of total morons.... when is the strike again lolololol what are they going to do when there is an actual strike announced)

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Alright 4% not 5% difference price difference that diesel is more. The difference in fuel consumption for the equivalent performance petrol and diesel is more like 10 to 15% no where near 25%.

Depreciation of petrol as a percentage is usually slight worse in a petrol compared to a diesel, usually around 3 or 4 % of list for 3 years at average mileage, petrol cars have been costing around 20-25% less to buy new with the Skoda VAT free deal in the UK which more than compensates for the poorer residuals. So I spend £4k less on a car that is as quick or quicker which goes a long way to buy a lot of fuel for a 10-15% fuel consumption difference.

Yes the UK Government is ripping it citizens off, or some off them, with the VAT rise which affected fuel too. Fortunately I have a company fuel car for work and private mileage, which I also put my expensive VW 502, 504-507 oil so I only pay 40% of the actual cost as a BIK.

Do not get me wrong I do like diesels, my first job was as a diesel engineer in the Merchant Navy and I loved the 1.9D 130 hp but VAG diesel technology has almost stagnated compared to the leaps and bounds in petrol engine technology as expounded by the International Engine Symposium which is on this week in Vienna. VAG won the engine awards several years running for their TSIs, particularly the twin charge, but other manufactures ie BMW, win the diesel awards as they have got ahead of VAG in this area.

I will cheer on the R18 at Les Mans but that is a proper diesel engine, a V configuration with enough turbos and cubes to make it properly quick.

Let us hope both diesel and petrol get cheaper over the next few weeks as UK Government show no signs of dropping their planned 3.6 pence price rise. Anyways back to watching the 7 speed petrol engine going round the F1 track.

In the case of the VRs`s the ride was too hard on the local poorly potholed local roads for me.

I know that feeling its the only thing holding me back from lowering mine roads when I move back home are harsh enough on car as is! :(

So the £5100 Octavia 1.8 TSI was steal at current prices,....possibly I got a real bargain, hence my support on here for this fantastic car!

Prior to my purchase I joined this site to monitor any possible pitfalls of Skoda ownership and it seemed to me that the site ( and others like Honest John) are littered with... DPF, DMF, Injector, ABS Teves problems....certainly in cars out of warranty

I could not find many 1.8 Tsi related issues so I was even more swayed to this car.

My circumstances are unique to me, Im not bragging , its just my opinion and for anyone else who is in the same circumstances as myself, there are alternatives...

Spend £2000 less on a car and then pay just an extra £6.50 per week in fuel sounds like financial sense to me.

If I was in your shoes I would have done exactly the same but I was able to buy a new diesel without finance after saving and selling my old MK1 Furby VRS (BEST CAR EVER!) The balance of economy and performance for me would push me towards it too and depending on my situation in the future with commute distance etc I may well get one but not now!.The issues littered on forum are all well documented but tend to focus on a specific time line and engine type hence im happy with the newer CR TDi which appears to be on the whole trouble free. (better stay that way) As for the £2000 less it again as you said depends on what works for person at time budget etc, that £2000 more spent on the diesel will save in 3 years (based on your £6.50 more) £1014 on fuel and £105 on road tax alone (comparing to my CR VRS more for the 140 diesel) then as we know the resale price the diesel will have depreciated a lot less and generally is easier to sell. Where I will be moving back to and living/working I know that selling a petrol one would be a nightmare and it all made my decision a lot easier.

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Alright 4% not 5% difference price difference that diesel is more. The difference in fuel consumption for the equivalent performance petrol and diesel is more like 10 to 15% no where near 25%.

Well for a man who likes to go off the OFFICIAL published stats I used them and also a man who likes to round up I also did this but Skoda says 1.8TSi 40mpg and CR TDi VRS 49 (we all know both can achieve more I can get nearer 60mpg, but simple to work off the official statistics that's a increase of 22.5% but if you say 50mpg on VRS that's 25% ......... so stick to the facts lolman

Depreciation of petrol as a percentage is usually slight worse in a petrol compared to a diesel, usually around 3 or 4 % of list for 3 years at average mileage, petrol cars have been costing around 20-25% less to buy new with the Skoda VAT free deal in the UK which more than compensates for the poorer residuals. So I spend £4k less on a car that is as quick or quicker which goes a long way to buy a lot of fuel for a 10-15% fuel consumption difference.

Come on I did ask for actual real facts here not if you got a petrol VAT free and then a diesel VAT paid its a larger gap .... I got my diesel VRS VAT free so that is that one gone down in flames..... Looking at the 2011 Octavia price list from Skoda (so official facts) the recommended OTR price for a bog standard manual petrol VRS was £19380 and the bog standard diesel VRS £20195 ..... 20-25% difference you mentioned is in fact 4.2% .......... new of course anyone can say they didn't pay retail for their new petrol and got VAT free but I can say the same for my diesel I paid a lot less and didn't pay any VAT. Bet you didnt pay 4K less than I did for my diesel. And petrol VRS being "as quick or quicker" I would say without a doubt that it should be stock for stock a quicker car definitely no fear there.

I did ask for real facts why just make up fictional ones and sway them with the VAT thing? If you would like based on actual prices I can demonstrate exactly the difference or you still have the opportunity to actually work it out and see what we are on about.

I would just not like to think that someone would read your posts and believe your vastly exaggerated figures and make a decision that may as a result not be in their best interests it would be cruelly unfair. So can we please be a little more accurate. Money no object 70's fuel prices diesel would not have grown in the way it has in Europe to the developments and levels it now sits having taken a massive slice of the market and everyone would be driving around in massively overpowered awesome petrol cars, but welcome to 2012.

He doesn't know the meaning of facts!

I also got mine VAT free and without the options and DSG would have cost me £15500.....which was about £600 more than the petrol.....BRAND NEW and a VRS.

I have been averaging 55-60mpg over the last couple of weeks on my commutes as i haven't been in a rush......

Its easy to make figures up, but what is the point? I know the same journey in a 2.0 petrol, i would be getting 30-35mpg and filling up once a week at least.

I would also love to put 2 cars on a forecourt, one diesel and one petrol and see which one sold first for the most money? Not that we really need to answer that.

Edited 21 April, 201214 yr by jrw

Depreciation of petrol as a percentage is usually slight worse in a petrol compared to a diesel, usually around 3 or 4 % of list for 3 years at average mileage

Forgot to mention on that one putting for example 2 head to head 11 plate VRS's head to head TODAY based on franchised dealer book prices valuations published in Parkers the diesel one has lost 10.533% of its value and the petrol has lost 25.684% of their new costs. "usually around 3 or 4 % of list for 3 years at average mileage" im liking your depreciation figures more but hey the petrol has suffered 143.843% more depreciation than the diesel in year 1 alone their figures show a £2320 lose in value on the diesel and £5445 lose on the petrol a £3125 difference. How much more did the diesel cost again just 12 months before???

Firstly I like the diesel pull and the 1.8 TSI has a very similar pull...

I think the reason many people are put off by petrol is that they assume diesel "always means" cheaper

Not one person at work I have spoken to recently would consider a petrol car ... the fools!

And none of them need a diesel "to save money" they all do less miles per year than me!

Not even when both cars are side by side and one has a significantly cheaper ticket price...

Below is the choice I had at car Giant on 21st February this year

December 58 Octavia 1.8TSI Elegance 66K miles FSH at £5199, 3 stamps in the book, Option extras (sunroof, better paint and light assist) 40mpg

December 57 Octy PD140 Elegance 71K miles FSH at £7499 3 stamps in the book. no extras 50 +mpg

Both were mint cars , even the salesman said "You're better off with the petrol mate"!!

Yet I am sure most would blindly spend the extra £2300 without stopping for a minute and doing the maths

It seems thats how many people buy a car... rush into it , listen to the patter, grab a coffee and a nice cookie...

As for the fact petrol cars are a nitemare to sell is not true!

All cars sell, its all about the price, in any case many part exchange and dare I say it "Get shafted" because they want the next car " At any price" and so cave in...

In the next 2 years what can I stand to lose on my initial investment....2 maybe 3 grand? who cares, you lose on all cars and the diesel too will lose 2-3 grand maybe more if the DMF fails!

PS

My in laws just spent £8 grand on double glazing to save an alleged £250 per year on heating.... they are 72, so when they are 104 they have recouped the money... , that is if the bloody things have lasted and not misted up after 5 years!! have you ever seen 30 year old UPVC windows??

PPS

Im off to my lovely girlfriends 30 miles away... motorway all the way and 45 mpg at a steady 65mph, have a great day everyone, whatever car you have :sun: