Hi

Have any of you fitted hydrogen cells to a 4x4 1.8T Octy?

I have a pair of cells just sat in my garage after my dad purchased them for his Passat, only to find out there wasn't enough room in the engine bay to actually fit them.

I'm led to understand that I will need some kind of module due to mine being a petrol model.

Is it worth fitting in your opinion?

Cheers

Kev

What are they m8?

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Are they hydrogen boosters? I know someone who has them fitted to a TDI Focus and it makes his MPG skyrocket. Think the petrols are harder to fit though.

Apparently they improve mpg and reduce emissions. They consist of a reservoir which you fill with distilled/filtered water in which you have a positive and negative charge. The resulting reaction is a gas which is then fed to your air intake. ( this is what I am led to understand anyway, could be slightly wrong but you get the general idea).

fitting to a diesel is easier than to a petrol.

In some cases you can get a reduction in your road tax!

http://www.hydrogenhybrids.uk.com/

Hmmm.

The guy I know has built the whole tank himself and uses water from a dehumidifier becuase it's effectively de-ionised. He has a control panle screwed to the dashboard with an ammeter and a few switches. Looks like Doc Brown's DeLorean lol. The kits from that link look a bit more polished.

It helps performance becuase hydrogen apparently burns faster than diesel or petrol.

They're called Hydroxy Boosters.

Interesting... how much are they, roughly..? Work with tuned vehicles as well?

I've long been interested in the idea of an actual hydrogen-powered car. BMW have made some awesome 7-Series under H power, notably the E38 with 180bhp 4.4 V8s. Not brilliant stats, but there's plenty of fine-tuning to be had. Also, water straight out of the exhaust... hmmm... although could lead to rising sea levels...

Proof indicates that its not worth fitting them to diesels. It only makes a small diference in mpg but not enough to warrant a putchase. On petrol however the improvement is more interesting, in some cases nearly doubling mpg if there is enough hydrogen going in. At same time on a petrol you will need a flash back arrested so when tick over etc excess hydrogen doesnt push through and start overfuelling the pots and causing running issues. also in cars 02 on the ecu tends to notice and give at least management light, if not limp mode, but you don't know til you try

Wasn't there a court case over this and it turned out to be BS.

Or was that some other snake oil

some other, hydrogen is a proven fuel, and cars can run on it solely. anyone saying otherwise, will work for BP or the government (tax). I know someone who has a pontiac, and his mpg went from 12- 25mpg, he had a big cell though.

as said diesel is a bit so-so but petrol is a big success

I saw an episode of Mythbusters a few months back, where they tried various fuel saving devices, including this type. There findings were that despite producing significant quantities of Hydrogen, it provided no appreciable improvement in MPG. This was tested on a variety of pretrol engnes.

Myth busters are wrong in this instance. Or the hydrogen car would not work! I have proof of my own eyes. And first hand trials, both handbuilt and pre made kits. YouTube REAL trials

Edited 19 August, 201213 yr by Lofty79

Wasn't there a court case over this and it turned out to be BS.

Or was that some other snake oil

Yeah because a hydrogen, oxygen mix isn't powerful at all

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I do wonder though... does that mean there will be more poisonous vapour in the air if you have a fuel, air, hydrogen mix?

I was thinking these were those magnets you clip on the fuel line.

I guess not !!

The only emit from burning hydrogen gas is water. So as the engine uses less fuel, and hydrogen being 1 fascet of water, once combusted, and added to oxygen in atmosphere (within exhaust actually) it just makes water vapour. The hydrogen car has only h2o as emissions, and is the only solution to the worlds fuel crisis. as electric is not eco sound, and not practical for a working environment.

Interesting fact, guy who first peddles hydrogen combustion engine, was burned when his house was lit. His proteje was killed in a hit and run. In the early 90's it was all over the papers, someone else got ball rolling, he bacame very rich suddenly and decided to drop it. I believe now a large petroleum company has the patent. So i guaruntee that you won't see production hydrogen cars until the gas can be sold at the pumps at 83% tax.

I was thinking these were those magnets you clip on the fuel line.

I guess not !!

What it is, is a jar of water, with a little bicarb of soda, 2 stainless steel rods, one positive charged and one negative charged, onces charge or ignition is turned on, the water begins to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen. This then passes down a pipe into air intake and is used in cylinder as a very powerful fuel. There is no other gas involved leaving only water as emissions and would solve polution issues. Also cleans the head very effectively (proven) adds power, lowers block and combustion temp. Just creates a little steam at exhaust.

Official term by the way for youtube searches etc is "hydro cells"

Piping hydrogen into the combustion chamber will in theory act like an 'octane' boost - ie you've added another chemical which will require less petrol/diesel to cause the amount of explosive force.

OK, simple enough, but what I don't see with these systems is the ability to quantify or regulate the amount of hydrogen introduced.

I would have thought it critical so ECU can adjust/be adjusted for new AFR requirements.

This is the case with other fuel additive systems, such as WMI or hybrid LPG/Diesel systems.

I wouldn't mind betting either WMI or hybrid LPG/diesel would return see a better increase in MPG

Am I missing something here. Under the laws of physics the energy released when burning hydrogen to produce water must equal that energy used to split water get the hydrogen in the first place.

True you can store the hydrogen to give a rapid power boost when needed.

So are you burning fuel in the engine to produce the electrical energy to release the hydrogen from water?

If so the fuel consumption cannot be improved. In fact it should be sightly worse due the inefficiency of alternator, belt drives etc.

The only way to improve mpg is have the hydrogen supplied as a gas in which case the energy used to release it from water is external to your car and you see an apparent improvement in mpg.

Or, in the extreme, the case of hydrogen cars where no carbon fuel consumption in the vehicle but extra carbon fuel consumption elsewhere to release the hydrogen.

What am I missing?

Proper hydrogen cars are brilliant and I hope manufacturers continue to develop them for mass production.

This however, sounds like cack. If you see such wonderful improvements for such a simple system, one wonders why all the worlds engine designers have missed out on this apparent golden ticket.

It just stinks of BS to me.

The conspiracy theories are entertaining though.

Am I missing something here. Under the laws of physics the energy released when burning hydrogen to produce water must equal that energy used to split water get the hydrogen in the first place.

True you can store the hydrogen to give a rapid power boost when needed.

So are you burning fuel in the engine to produce the electrical energy to release the hydrogen from water?

If so the fuel consumption cannot be improved. In fact it should be sightly worse due the inefficiency of alternator, belt drives etc.

The only way to improve mpg is have the hydrogen supplied as a gas in which case the energy used to release it from water is external to your car and you see an apparent improvement in mpg.

Or, in the extreme, the case of hydrogen cars where no carbon fuel consumption in the vehicle but extra carbon fuel consumption elsewhere to release the hydrogen.

What am I missing?

the amps used, compared to kw's power produced is a yawning chasm, otherwise a car solely driven on hydrogen would need a diesel power station to go with it to charge the battery.

What you are missing is the compression/spark/heat/expolsivity of the gasses.

Edited 20 August, 201213 yr by Lofty79

Proper hydrogen cars are brilliant and I hope manufacturers continue to develop them for mass production.

This however, sounds like cack. If you see such wonderful improvements for such a simple system, one wonders why all the worlds engine designers have missed out on this apparent golden ticket.

It just stinks of BS to me.

The conspiracy theories are entertaining though.

Aye its all entertaining Car manufacturers would do these things, but for two main factors 1: maintenance, they need maintained more than your average punter will be bothered to do. If the majority cant be bothered, you lose sales. 2: when other fuels that as yet are untaxed and free at source (ie water) are discovered, of course the powers that be arent going to say "great, on ya go" are they?

Evidence although being anecdotal, is too plentiful. Modern cars are too sensitive for this to work effectively, but pre 2000 motors are known for massive upturns. Do some research. Yes the kit is crude, but like anything else, if its a gimmick it would fizzle out - not be around for some 50 some years.

Agree or not it IS the solution to our current fuel issue - pollution, and low oil reserves

Edited 20 August, 201213 yr by Lofty79

Am I missing something here. Under the laws of physics the energy released when burning hydrogen to produce water must equal that energy used to split water get the hydrogen in the first place...

+1

Otherwise you could create a perpetual motion machine

Fuel an engine with hydrogen and oxygen to drive a generator and use some of the electricity to generate more hydrogen/oxygen. The rest of the electricity is free

You can improve MPG if you generate hydrogen/oxygen as you close the throttle and then use the hydrogen/oxygen as you open the throttle.

its ok saying it takes the same power to split as it creates. But we are forgetting it is getting burned aswell, the combustion contains the extra power. If there is such a split in opinion. The only way to put a matter to rest is to experiment.

I have! and there I had hard evidence - not speculatory guesses. When tried on numerous vehicles it had differing results, the best as outlined above.

What were all your test results? Anyone? Some more pudding proof needed, before a solid argument can be put forth.

This is quite an interesting 'hot topic'

Here's a good read http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/4276846 and http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/alternative-fuel/gas-mileage/4271579

Magnets and spinning doodads haven't fizzled out (been around since the 1930s), so they must work too - right?

Why don't the HHO unit manufacturers advertise on TV? - because they can't justify their claims and are not allowed to.

well, I cant explain then the massive increases i have witnessed. And i dont want to go down the particle physics route. So here we have one of these differing opinions that wont be resolved.

I still havent seen anyone come along to say "yes ive tried it and.........." Must only be me that has tested it real world, and based my opinion on fact rather than an online article that can be written by anyone.

try it on an old petrol engine and you will be amazed.

I shall lay my case to rest, I enjoy a little intelligent banter from time to time, keeps me on my toes.