Don't see a problem with this. I 'generally' stick to 30 limits as well.

However, I can't always reach that speed as it's not safe/clear to do so.

I think the post I was quoting implied that they often drive over 30 in a 30 limit. I have no problem with people driving below 30 in a 30 limit :wonder:

mdon,

Do you know exactly what the current training is?

I certainly don't, but I do know that many "County" Ambulance Services now use the voluntary bodies as back-up, and provide them with training.

Also how do you expect them to provide First Aid and front line facilities if they don't use Blue lights? The "County" aren't able to do it.

When I first started with SJA the only blue training was done within the Division, with no actual formal training sylabus. It then went up to our County level where it was done by an ex-Police instructor, but again nothing formal. Only when Worcestershire started providing the "County" Ambulance Service with PTS and emergency cover did a more formal arrangement occur with both West Mercia Police and the County Ambulance.

I know it's still no where near the 15 day course the county ambulance drivers do, and I know the mountain rescue still do a '2 day' (I use day loosely as its more like 2 evenings) course which I feel is wholly inappropriate. If they are going to be driving to the same conditions they should be trained to the same standards. Anyhow that's not the point of this topic.

What was the question again?

I think the post I was quoting implied that they often drive over 30 in a 30 limit. I have no problem with people driving below 30 in a 30 limit :wonder:

I'm not gonna lie, I do if I'm in a bit of a rush to get somewhere (which is quite rare), but only when I can see the road ahead is really clear. I certainly wouldn't exceed 40. The rest of the time I will stick to 30.

I'm not saying that it's alright to break the speed limit, but I do think that if I'm going to, the motorway really is the best place for it (traffic permitting). I do tend to stick to 80 on the motorway, 90 at a push.

look what you have started Devonutopia.

Why don't you put up links of our 130+mph drag RACE in Czech.

On another note all drivers should be made to do advanced driving tests. Hopefully get some of the idiots off our roads.

Middle lane drivers probably my biggest annoyance.

I agree, the driving test here is very easy and simple. Also it doesn't cover motorway driving but I think it should. Some people just seem to be intimidated by some faster moving traffic in 3 or 4 lanes and pose a real danger.

It would be good if the test involved some kind of control recovery, I've spoken to many people who wouldn't know what to do of they under steered or over steered, and sometimes all that takes is a slight misjudgement of a bend

It would be good if the test involved some kind of control recovery, I've spoken to many people who wouldn't know what to do of they under steered or over steered, and sometimes all that takes is a slight misjudgement of a bend

Imvho, one thing to think about in the realm of control recovery (especially on the public roads) is how much space (and time) is required to resolve it, especially at higher speeds. Something that is often overlooked and can potentially make the impending crash worse than doing nothing...

Chris

I agree, the driving test here is very easy and simple. Also it doesn't cover motorway driving but I think it should. Some people just seem to be intimidated by some faster moving traffic in 3 or 4 lanes and pose a real danger.

It would be good if the test involved some kind of control recovery, I've spoken to many people who wouldn't know what to do of they under steered or over steered, and sometimes all that takes is a slight misjudgement of a bend

When did you take your driving test?

There was a programme last year that took people who had passed their test more than 10 years ago, and put them through the new test proceedure, and over two thirds failed.

How would you make someone in say Milford Haven or Aberdeen or Truro include motorway driving in their test, when the nearest is more than an hours drive away?

And agreed on the latter, but there aren't enough skid pans etc in the UK to even allow those that want to extend their experience to do it.

When did you take your driving test?

There was a programme last year that took people who had passed their test more than 10 years ago, and put them through the new test proceedure, and over two thirds failed.

How would you make someone in say Milford Haven or Aberdeen or Truro include motorway driving in their test, when the nearest is more than an hours drive away?

And agreed on the latter, but there aren't enough skid pans etc in the UK to even allow those that want to extend their experience to do it.

I took mine 5 years, 11 months and 2 days ago :p Good point on those living hours away from them, not something I actually thought about :think: . I can't help but think those who failed the modern test would have developed some "bad habits" not looking over the shoulder or checking all the correct mirrors.

I just didn't find anything difficult about driving around for 40 minutes, doing a reverse bay park, three point turn and reverse around a corner. It was a bright clear day, perhaps it would have been more challenging if it had chucked it down or been dark.

I didn't go round any major roundabouts (I did whilst learning, but not on the test), or any high speed dual carriageways with sliproads. Maybe some people struggle due to the route they get, but personally I found my test to be quite easy.

Things I'd be most likely to fail a retest on:-

1. Not using the handbrake every time I stop
   
2. Skip or block shifting up and down
   
3. Use of mirrors. Look, if it's 2 miles between junctions and I'm running the limit, half-way between the junctions, where's the vehicle behind me meant to come from in the second mile if it wasn't there when I checked at the one mile point and saw half a mile of empty tarmac?
   
4. Not shuffling the wheel like you're meant.
   

Things I'd be most likely to fail a retest on:-

1. Not using the handbrake every time I stop
   
2. Skip or block shifting up and down
   
3. Use of mirrors. Look, if it's 2 miles between junctions and I'm running the limit, half-way between the junctions, where's the vehicle behind me meant to come from in the second mile if it wasn't there when I checked at the one mile point and saw half a mile of empty tarmac?
   
4. Not shuffling the wheel like you're meant.
   

3. Someone is is running at over the speed limit?

3. Someone is is running at over the speed limit?

Ok, this doesn't come over clearly, but my use of mirrors tends to be a fairly direct function of road complexity, traffic density, and number of possible hazards. So (3) assumes a quiet NSL, and your scenario requires them to be doing over 90mph!

3. Someone is is running at over the speed limit?

Yup - the pair of cars/bikes having a race on a "clear" stretch of road. I'm not sure I find mirror checks that much of an inconvenience tbh

Chris

Things I'd be most likely to fail a retest on:-

1. Not using the handbrake every time I stop
   
2. Skip or block shifting up and down
   
3. Use of mirrors. Look, if it's 2 miles between junctions and I'm running the limit, half-way between the junctions, where's the vehicle behind me meant to come from in the second mile if it wasn't there when I checked at the one mile point and saw half a mile of empty tarmac?
   
4. Not shuffling the wheel like you're meant.
   

Only one of them is a failure on a DSA test

Chris

I genuinely don't think I could shuffle the wheel like you're supposed too. I've gotten so used to one hand on the wheel and slipping it through my hands that I'd have to consciously think really hard to avoid it, probably resulting in a crash from not thinking about anything else

I genuinely don't think I could shuffle the wheel like you're supposed too.

The problem is that most driving instructors teach "shuffling" rather than proper pull/push steering. In cars, pull/push is a useful tool for lower speed, large steering adjustments (unless you drive a but for the majority of driving a fixed-grip 9-3 hold is more effective. All, imho

Chris

Deleated so as not to cause trouble....

I like to get places in good time so do speed when conditions allow

Edited 28 September, 201213 yr by oilburninnut

Deleated so as not to cause trouble....

I like to get places in good time so do speed when conditions allow

I dont even need to know what you said before, I`m liking it anyway lol

Feeding or shuffling the wheel I think is an old school method, my son is currently having lessons and his instructor is encouraging him to use plenty of arm movement as it is safer and allowed during the test.

I read somewhere that if you drive with your hands at quarter past and quarter to on the steering wheel you should be able to navigate any corner by moving the wheel through 180' in either direction.

What I don't get is why they let learners straight onto the road? With a bike you have to do your cbt first. In Singapore they have to go to a test centre that has corners, traffic lights, parking bays etc to prove they have control before they're let out on the roads with L plates. Something I think should be done here

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What I don't get is why they let learners straight onto the road? With a bike you have to do your cbt first. In Singapore they have to go to a test centre that has corners, traffic lights, parking bays etc to prove they have control before they're let out on the roads with L plates. Something I think should be done here

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My son had his first three lessons on a car park, to gain steering and stop start control

dare I post my German top speed run yet without being flamed and trolled?

Post it. I will probably be banned, as I am driving those speeds more than once a week.

And to the shuffling. Ever tried doing that in a slalom or on a skid pad?

Those situations are similar to an emergency situation on the road and with shuffling you will be far too slow.

dare I post my German top speed run yet without being flamed and trolled?

i had a skyline on one of my german trips 400 bhp 1100 kgs and a sequential dog box..... i think if i posted the speeds i was doing it would cause some folks a heart attack, i once came home on leave from bielefeld to barnoldswick lancashire in 7 hours, that included the calais dover crossing......

(in my defence i was very young and it was the middle of the night)

(actually i couldnt give two craps what you all think lol i was well over an indicated 180 in places.... :p)

(i did slow down when i got off at dover tho....)

Edited 28 September, 201213 yr by oilburninnut

There are still several stretches of autobahn where you can drive over 300km/h.

BUT important is, that you know the stretches and have driven them before. Because there are still some seemingly even straights that have nasty dips in the surface.

And you dont want to bottom out your suspension at such speeds.

It is of course also car dependant. It is much more difficult to come to speeds over 200 in a 105hp car, than a short blast to over 300 in a car with over 600hp.

Also very different are achieved speeds and actual cruising speed. On quiet days and the right stretches of autobahn it is still possible to cover over 200km in one hour.

(but not many stretches left. Lot of limits and road work)