Thanks! No, do you mean to say there are *other* forums?

Have at look on this thread

http://uk-mkivs.net/...s/t/489818.aspx

Right, I've got a reply form Ron @ Diesel Rhino (quite a long reply, so will split into separate posts). Here goes:

"Dear forum, I would just like to drop you all a message via the user "trebormint" who has of his own accord bought this product and thread to the BRISKODA Forum, and for that I would like to thank him.

My message has the purpose of introducing the product, its concept and use to you and also to perhaps dispel any myth or conjecture surrounding it. I will also try to address certain questions.

Diesel Rhino was released in June following almost 6 years of development. The product reached a maturity level that satisfied our criteria and we decided to introduce it on the VWT4 Forum.

The product was initially received with great excitement followed by skepticism, and then excitement again as the people who elected to try it, reported quite positively on its claims. I would encourage anyone to read the thread even though it is rather long. The result of the feedback was that some skeptics were turned and some (who, incidentally had never tried it) stopped posting and perhaps realized the futility of their remarks.

Diesel Rhino has since enjoyed excellent reviews from its users and has organically grown into other forums such as the UK MKIV forum where it continues to receive very positive feedback as well as repeat trade from its users.

Diesel Rhino has now been chosen by some commercial firms in order to improve fuel quality and is beginning to gain recognition in this market sector too.

Diesel Rhino has 5 primary benefits.

- Improved engine performance

- Up to 10% increase in economy*

- Significant reduction in emissions

- Removal of water from condensation accumulation and other sources.

- Cleaning and Lubrication of the Fuel Injection System or FIS.

* Economy gains are a guideline and subject to many variables.

Diesel Rhino also provides a number of secondary benefits arising from the above. These can be read about here -

http://www.dieselrhino.co.uk/DR_Prod_Desc.pdf"

I would at this point like to point out that we have taken the decision not to reveal any of our detailed test data in the public environment. It is commercially sensitive information that petroleum companies and other additive manufacturers do not publish for similar reasons, as such we wish to protect our interests and not disclose this information via forums.

We will, inspite of the above, add some very encouraging test data from some of our independently tested dynamometer tests to the DR website shortly pertaining to Economy and Performance. Please refer to the DR website in due course for further information. I will be happy to advise of when the website will be populated with the information.

Our product has been developed through the collaboration of industry professionals who have the necessary qualifications and experience to produce Diesel Rhino, and as such we have every confidence in the properties and claims of Diesel Rhino.

Our product should be judged by its users on its benefits and merits and we invite you to try it for yourselves and make your own decisions. We have for this very reason introduced a rather large discount to get it underway and show our faith in what we have created. Please take advantage of the offer as it will end on Monday next week.

Now to try and address a few potential misunderstandings.

How it works.

Diesel Rhino, much like premium Diesels is not a one shot one stop fix or a miracle in a bottle. It is designed to work over time and with regular use. Used in this way the benefits become more and more apparent. In this sense it works much like the Premium Diesels.

DR contains a widely recognised cetane enhancer, there can be little dispute about its effects part due to the fact that Premium Diesels also contain cetane enhancers. DR is different in that it raises the cetane number by up to 6 points dependant on base fuel. The effect of a cetane enhancer is to shorten the ignition delay of the fuel, which in turn causes the fuel to burn more effectively and completely and gives rise to the enhanced performance and lower emissions. DR contains nothing that changes the flash point of diesel so it will not cause temperature and ignition problems

DR acts on contaminants in the FIS such as gums, tarnishes and carbon and thus cleans the system by means of polymeric detergent additives which are recognised in the industry for their effectiveness. These chemicals can dissolve deposits and also reduce deposit formation.

DR adds lubricity to compensate for the lower lubricity of hydrotreated diesel fuel. They contain a chemical group understood to cling to metal components surfaces that cause the additive to form a thin film that acts as a boundary lubricant when 2 metal surfaces come into contact.

A combination of the above leads to the increased economy gains reported by our customers and confirmed in our tests.

The mechanism by which DR removes water, also inhibits the formation of bacteria and algae in the tank and also protects the FIS from abrasion damage and failure of the system due to the presence of water. This mechanism breaks the chemical bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen molecules in water. Once broken it is no longer water and can pass harmlessly through the exhaust. "If more people used DR we would see less FIS repairs" a comment made by Keith at United Diesel who has always claimed that most injection equipment failure is to to with poor quality fuel and fuel contamination.

With all these factors combined, DR will save downtime and maintenance costs when used correctly.

How it is used.

The initial dosing of DR is not to increase any power or economy gains. The 3-2-1 process is used to increase the concentration of the product in order to facilitate its cleaning and combustive aspect and helps purge the FIS. As such it is recommended that the initial dose is triple, the second is double and thereafter it is 10ml to 10l. The product should then be used at every fill in the 10 ml to 10 l ratio.

Adding too much does not have any detrimental effect but does not result in greater power gains either. That is not how cetane enhancement works. Above a certain cetane number, the effect is to shorten ignition delay too much which can actually result in a slight reduction of power as discovered by some customers on the UK MIV forum who report that they no longer use premium diesel and use DR with regular diesel.

It has been mentioned that premium diesel if cheaper to use than DR - It is not. Premium Diesel costs some 7 - 9 pence per litre more than regular fuel. Diesel Rhino by comparison costs some 1.8 pence per liter more.

Diesel Rhino Supporting Info and Website.

The DR website is not complete as yet and we are and will be in the process of providing supporting product information in the near future. We only intended to release the product to the T4 forum for now but it has grown a little faster than we have had time to react.

Regarding Perception and perceived gains. I would ask you to take the time to review some of the reviews we have enjoyed from our existing customers. It will become clear that the gains and benefits they report are neither anecdotal or merely perceived. I can pick a couple for you to get a flavour....

http://www.vwt4forum...2&postcount=454

http://www.vwt4forum...8&postcount=417

http://www.vwt4forum...4&postcount=138

http://www.vwt4forum...21&postcount=94

http://www.vwt4forum...6&postcount=560

http://www.vwt4forum...9&postcount=542

http://www.vwt4forum...2&postcount=532

http://www.vwt4forum...6&postcount=465

http://www.vwt4forum...9&postcount=453

http://www.vwt4forum...4&postcount=432

http://www.vwt4forum...5&postcount=425

I am unable to link individual post from the UK MKIV forum but I would strongly urge you to read the thread as there are a number of very relevant reviews.

Diesel Rhino is a serious product which is enjoying good reviews and even better feedback.

Its effects and benefits have their basis in science and not suggestion. People have reported improvements over premium diesels, some people have reported

that using DR instead of premium diesel has also given them the desired results.

Please take the time to understand the product and please feel free to try it while it is discounted.

Thank you for reading.

Ron."

Have you dyno"d it?

Have you dyno"d it?

No, I haven't but they have had.

The following is an extract from an independent tester's report

"The average throttle position dropped from 49.04% without rhino to 45.37% with it, showing less throttle was needed for a given bhp level at a given rpm. This showed for every throttle position and engine speed value tested."

There is also some test data over on UK MKIV forum where someone got a gain of 2.14%

Th

I'd thought I'd post this report on its use from UK MIV forum here: http://uk-mkivs.net/forums/p/489818/3444955.aspx#3444955

"Just thought I'd jump back in as I'm on the '1' of the 3-2-1 system, and must say I have noticed and improvement in several areas.

I'm basing my info on past data that I collected regarding mpg when I changed the wheels to the bigger, wider and heavier 18's, the last full tank I did returned 57 mpg, compared to an average of around 54 previously, based on very similar driving styles. So an improvement there indeed!

In terms of smoothness, there is a marked improvement, both at idle and whilst cruising, it just seems more linear and has almost cured the idle judder I used to experience. Cold starts are much the same, but they vary due my tired battery and starter motor, although I have noticed them being less violent when it struggles to get going. Hot starts have always been an issue again due to the battery/starter, but again less violent judder when starting.

Engine noise has also dramatically decreased, this has also been noted by the other half so it's a clear improvement. It's most noticeable at idle and again at motorway speeds, 60-70 mph 2k - 2.3k rpm. I can barely hear it on smooth quiet roads, and I can tell you my tyres are very quiet as it is. What I can hear is a smooth growl, showing an increase in efficiency all round.

Now the big one, power! It is very hard to notice a small power increase from the drivers seat, using a dyno would be far more sensible, but I have definitely noticed more willingness to pull from lower revs, and felt it pulling for longer to 4.5k rpm, again not drastically but it has definitely happened.

So to summarise, DR has improved fuel efficiency, improved the smoothness of the engine and overall engine noise at both idle and high speeds, provided a noticeable increase in power and torque, and all for £1.80ish a tank (less if you buy the 2.5l bottle, which I will soon) so far less than a tank of V-Power/Ultimate. Impressed!

Also received my new 500ml bottle with the RhinoHorn today, looks very sturdy and will definitely make it easier to pour into the tank. Transferred all the DR from the old bottle to this one using the horn with no leaks or spilled fluid, so happy with that. Once I buy the 2.5l bottle and a funnel I will see how that works.

Just a suggestion but it may be worth sending some sort of awesome DR branded funnel with the 2.5l bottle? Bit more of an incentive to buy it in a way?

Anyway, very impressed."

"This mechanism breaks the chemical bonds between the hydrogen and oxygen molecules in water. Once broken it is no longer water and can pass harmlessly through the exhaust". It's science, Captain, just not science as we know it.

Haven't forgotten about this thread. Thanks for the links above, I will read through them. I do have an engineering background so forgive me if I disregard all the anecdotal bits, the dyno results look interesting mind you.

I've now used it for 3 whole tankfuls - now on my fourth. I know I shouldn't say this because of assumed placebo effects, but the engine is smoother, quieter and more responsive.

Just received a bottle of this stuff to give it a whirl, I'll report back after a few treatments.

Just received a bottle of this stuff to give it a whirl, I'll report back after a few treatments.

Have you gone for 500ml or 2500ml size?

I got the 500ml bottle but I've ordered another one as I've used half of the bottle for the first treatment! think I've put too much in, hopefully it'll be ok..... If I think it's worth it then I'll get a 2.5 litre bottle next time

I've done a bit of research on this, and after a lot of reading, I would just get generic cetane booster, its the same stuff as used in Millers and if you read up on the info posted on the biodiesel forums this is the cheapest way to buy it. You need a teaspoon per tank to get standard diesel up to the standard of premium diesel.

Both these links are for the undiluted product, millers is diluted.

http://www.trinity-research.co.uk/index.php?cPath=21_25_26

http://www.freewebstore.org/Vegetableoildiesel/Vegiboost_cans/p1651760_7736286.aspx

Have a look at the Millers reviews on the halfords page, everyone seems to love it.

Have a look at the Millers reviews on the halfords page, everyone seems to love it.

er, this is an alternative to Millers, which I've used before on various cars for several thousands of miles over a number of years. I have nothing against Millers - just wanted to try this product out.

I've done a bit of research on this, and after a lot of reading, I would just get generic cetane booster, its the same stuff as used in Millers and if you read up on the info posted on the biodiesel forums this is the cheapest way to buy it. You need a teaspoon per tank to get standard diesel up to the standard of premium diesel.

Both these links are for the undiluted product, millers is diluted.

http://www.trinity-r...?cPath=21_25_26

http://www.freewebst...60_7736286.aspx

Both these products contain other ingredients other than 2-ethylhexyl nitrate!

Millers ingredients:

• 2-ETHYLHEXYL NITRATE 50-70%
  
• COMPONENT 72248 30-50%
  
• D-LIMONENE <1%
  

Diesel Rhino ingredients:

• 2-ETHYLHEXYL NITRATE 40-50%
  
• 2-BUTOXYETHANOL 40-50%
  
• A MIXTURE OF ISOMERS OF: C7-C9 ALKYL 3-(3,5-DI-TRANS-BUTYL-4-HYDROXYPHENYL)PROPIONATE 1-10%
  
• NONYLPHENOL 1-10%
  
• ALKYL AMINES, MONOHEXYL AND DIHEXYL PHOSPHATES 1-10%
  

This is a list of hazardous ingredients only. There may be other non-hazardous ingredients used but do not have to be stated.

So it's true you get better mpg?

Surely the cost would offset mpg gain?

So it's true you get better mpg?

Surely the cost would offset mpg gain?

It's still far cheaper to add an additive than to buy any premium diesel

Ok there may be other ingredients but the guys who make their own fuel add 2-ETHYLHEXYL NITRATE. I heard Millers is then watered down with kerosene. Perhaps COMPONENT 72248 = Kerosene?

I'm sure this stuff will work but to make it economical I would want to buy the active ingredient as cheaply as possible, but thats just me!

Just been reading about people adding 2 stroke oil to diesel. Where does all this end?

http://www.audi-spor...oil-diesel.html

Very thorough thread

http://www.a2oc.net/forum/showthread.php?19041-2-stroke-oil-in-diesel-anyone-tried-it/page7

Edited 26 November, 201213 yr by Dunkuk

I remember reading a thread about a week or so ago about addind 2t oil to diesel. Do a search on the forum in the fabia 1 section

Interestingly, this is Shell V-power diesel's make up:

Complex mixture of hydrocarbons consisting of paraffins,

cycloparaffins, aromatic and olefinic hydrocarbons with carbon

numbers predominantly in the C9 to C25 range. May also

contain several additives at <0.1% v/v each. May contain

cetane improver (Ethyl Hexyl Nitrate) at <0.2% v/v.

May contain catalytically cracked oils in which polycyclic

aromatic compounds, mainly 3-ring but some 4- to 6-ring

species are present.

Ok there may be other ingredients but the guys who make their own fuel add 2-ETHYLHEXYL NITRATE. I heard Millers is then watered down with kerosene. Perhaps COMPONENT 72248 = Kerosene?

I'm sure this stuff will work but to make it economical I would want to buy the active ingredient as cheaply as possible, but thats just me!

Certainly worth a go. Perhaps you could report back with some findings?

Any long term views on this stuff yet ?

I've now used it for 3 whole tankfuls - now on my fourth. I know I shouldn't say this because of assumed placebo effects, but the engine is smoother, quieter and more responsive.

Interestingly I thought the same when I tried Millars with normal derv added too.

er, this is an alternative to Millers, which I've used before on various cars for several thousands of miles over a number of years. I have nothing against Millers - just wanted to try this product out.

So how's it stacking up against Millars? are they about the same (in your experience) or is DR better, if so how?.

It's still far cheaper to add an additive than to buy any premium diesel

+1 on this. I tried Millars for the same reason, apparent improvement without having to pay the silly prices for 'premium' diesel. Millars is £9.75 on fleebay for a 500ml bottle

cheers

Ade