Just below £25k for Estate Petrol DSG.... same as Superb Elegance GreenLine Estate or SE 170PS TD CR - I would go with Superb really,  no brainer, much more car for the same money .

Octy vRS looks rather overpriced now?

Size isn't everything, and a 105bhp diesel engined Elegance Greenline isn't exactly a 220BHP DSG petrol VRS alternative, is it?

Horses for courses. I alredy have Fabia MK2 vRS and Octy vRS is simply not needed, especially when I can drive circles around it in my Fabster .

SSangyong reference is rather missed, can't see any relevance really ... We are talking Skoda here, not some ditchfinder motoring.

Simply put the pricing structure for  Octy III vRS is wrong. Nobody in their right mind would pay more for Octavia than for the equivalent Superb, makes no sense at all!

 

I would, money no object for me and i prefer the octavia VRS

 

 

But there is no equivalent Superb? There is no Superb vRS - so for those drivers wanting a family sized Skoda "performance" car then the Octy vRS is the only choice, surely?

If you look at it from this point of view then yes, I'd agree . What is the weight of the petrol Estate doele, anyone knows?

I would, money no object for me and i prefer the octavia VRS

Because of looks, performance, ...?

 

If you look at it from this point of view then yes, I'd agree . What is the weight of the petrol Estate doele, anyone knows?

 

1.4TSI kerb weight = 1197 kg

Size isn't everything, and a 105bhp diesel engined Elegance Greenline isn't exactly a 220BHP DSG petrol VRS alternative, is it?

No it is not of course. From my point of view (having Fab vRS as a fun car) as a family car I hasn't got a shred of sense for me.

Converseley, if it was my only car then I'd go for the estate vRS Octy III.

Then on the other hand If I had to choose between Superb Elegance Greenline Estate and Octy III Estate vRS I'd b ehard pressed really on the basis of running costs and value for money really . Money saved would pay for yearly Club100 championship entry to give me all the racing thrills I could want

Still think price point is too high, especially that Octy III is squarely aimed at the corporate market (according to sales director of my local dealership)

 

 

1.4TSI kerb weight = 1197 kg

Sorry, I meant 2.0TSI Estate Octy III vRS

If you were in the market for a vRS you wouldn't be comparing it with a Superb.  :think:

If you were in the market for a vRS you wouldn't be comparing it with a Superb.  :think:

 

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So no.  I can't see many people cross shopping these either.  Even if they cost the same.

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So no.  I can't see many people cross shopping these either.  Even if they cost the same.

I actually could be tempted by either, precisely because they are so different, but then I still haven't decided what type of car I fancy.

Do I fancy a sporty family car or a relaxed luxo barge, or a convertible, or a 4x4.....

I actually could be tempted by either, precisely because they are so different, but then I still haven't decided what type of car I fancy.

Do I fancy a sporty family car or a relaxed luxo barge, or a convertible, or a 4x4.....

 

Dr Z I've been following you on here looking for a car for what feels like years now.  I don't think you'll ever really buy anything.  

Dr Z I've been following you on here looking for a car for what feels like years now.  I don't think you'll ever really buy anything.  

I had a house that I'd been renting out for the last couple of years which has now (yesterday) been sold, so I have a very healthy bank balance at the mo.

I wasn't going to tempt fate by ordering a car until the deal was all finalized.

I'm looking for something that feels like a bit of treat rather than just another car (nothing wrong with my bravo) so I'm enjoying taking my time and testing all kinds of stuff.

i was hoping for a nice dark metallic grey :(

If you want vRS, you buy one, what's the point of discussion then?

 

I just look at the cars and think

 

Octy III vRS Estate petrol (Diesel version is completely pointless!) - Great new car with not too shabby performance (only a little bit worse than Fabia II vRS) which can take whole family in comfort as well as offering the ability for a spirited drive but costing rather more than I am willing to pay for it and costing an arm and a leg to maintain

 

Superb Estate 1.6 Greenline Diesel - Large semi-luxury barge with very economical motor with low runing costs, cheap to maintain, able to swallow EU's motorways returning great MPGs with enough space to pack half of the house in and take a go-kart to the track without needing a trailer but with no ability for any kind of spirited drive.

Octy III vRS Estate petrol (Diesel version is completely pointless!)

What makes you say that the diesel is pointless?

For real world driving it won't be much (if any) slower than the petrol but will cost less on tax (especially if a company car driver) and fuel.

vRS makes sense as a performance saloon or estate, right? There's a massive gap between Diesel and Petrol versions in term of performance, however you look at it. Octy III vRS diesel is like a "pretend" version of the real, petrol guzzling vRS, you either buy a "performance" car or not.

If you want vRS, you buy one, what's the point of discussion then?

 

I just look at the cars and think

 

Octy III vRS Estate petrol (Diesel version is completely pointless!) - Great new car with not too shabby performance (only a little bit worse than Fabia II vRS) which can take whole family in comfort as well as offering the ability for a spirited drive but costing rather more than I am willing to pay for it and costing an arm and a leg to maintain

 

Superb Estate 1.6 Greenline Diesel - Large semi-luxury barge with very economical motor with low runing costs, cheap to maintain, able to swallow EU's motorways returning great MPGs with enough space to pack half of the house in and take a go-kart to the track without needing a trailer but with no ability for any kind of spirited drive.

 

Diesel version utterly pointless? Are you for real.Todays diesels massively outperform petrol sports models of a few years ago. The torque produced gives them superb overtaking performance that is just not reflected in the stock 0-60 times. Such a shame they don't do the 30-70 numbers anymore. I have had 2 vRS's, a Mazda 3 sport, and next a Leon FR. I would not even look at the Superb or similar, because I don't like them. I like cars that handle better and have some go in them.

 

As for petrol v diesel. Company car = diesel for all the obvious reasons and that is why the high powered diesels are anything but pointless. Private/hobby car, then a petrol that I can modify 

vRS makes sense as a performance saloon or estate, right? There's a massive gap between Diesel and Petrol versions in term of performance, however you look at it.

No there isn't.

It's one second difference on the 0-60 sprint.

If you want vRS, you buy one, what's the point of discussion then?

 

I just look at the cars and think

 

Octy III vRS Estate petrol (Diesel version is completely pointless!) - Great new car with not too shabby performance (only a little bit worse than Fabia II vRS) which can take whole family in comfort as well as offering the ability for a spirited drive but costing rather more than I am willing to pay for it and costing an arm and a leg to maintain

 

Superb Estate 1.6 Greenline Diesel - Large semi-luxury barge with very economical motor with low runing costs, cheap to maintain, able to swallow EU's motorways returning great MPGs with enough space to pack half of the house in and take a go-kart to the track without needing a trailer but with no ability for any kind of spirited drive.

Disagree with a lot of that! Diesel VRS is pointless?! Really? Theres more people that should have talked to you before buying the TDI than the TSI. And you are comparing the new Octavia VRS 3 to the Fabia VRS - have you actually driven a Mk3 Octavia VRS to see how the 105kg weight reduction and additional dollop of torque make it compare to the Fabia? You'll also find that if you drive Eu motorways with it packed to the gunnels as you describe, you'll be better off with the 2 litre TDi for economy.

If you want vRS, you buy one, what's the point of discussion then?

 

I just look at the cars and think

 

Octy III vRS Estate petrol (Diesel version is completely pointless!) - Great new car with not too shabby performance (only a little bit worse than Fabia II vRS) which can take whole family in comfort as well as offering the ability for a spirited drive but costing rather more than I am willing to pay for it and costing an arm and a leg to maintain

 

Superb Estate 1.6 Greenline Diesel - Large semi-luxury barge with very economical motor with low runing costs, cheap to maintain, able to swallow EU's motorways returning great MPGs with enough space to pack half of the house in and take a go-kart to the track without needing a trailer but with no ability for any kind of spirited drive.

I think your mis understanding the target market of the Octavia VRS. If i wanted a hot hatch i would go back to the cliosport or megane sport as they would run rings around the Fabia so all though it suits you its not for everybody and there are people for whom the Octavia VRS ticks all the boxes.

At the same time i wouldn't want a superb for the same reason i dont want a norfolk broads barge. That said im sure a superb ticks all the boxes for some people. In short Just because you can't see its purpose or market neiche doesn't mean there isn't one. The Octy VRS suits me fine and only other vehicle i would consider is an Audi A5. I have Petrol and Diesel VRS's as well i can assure you both have their plus points allthough my main reason for getting the diesel was that it was the spec of the blackline. Although its charms and low down torque have converted me a little from my historical hatred of all things non petrol.

It is utterly pointless as the 2.0TSI is avaialble. Narrow band torque compared to constant pull of the petrol does make a great difference. When somebody says that 1 sec in acceleration makes no difference then... there's nothing to talk about anymore really.

Diesel apostels are completely blinded by massive torque figures, I know as I used to be one . Then I drove a car which delivers max torque throughout the whole power band, from tickover to red line, surprise surprise it was petrol.

BTW, what is the weight of Octy III vRS diesel and Petrol, anybody knows?

vRS makes sense as a performance saloon or estate, right? There's a massive gap between Diesel and Petrol versions in term of performance, however you look at it. Octy III vRS diesel is like a "pretend" version of the real, petrol guzzling vRS, you either buy a "performance" car or not.

I'd disagree i would say there is never a reason for making an estate version of the flagship sports model. I'd prefer they just refer to the VRS as hatch but thats my preference and i respect peoples opinions who like their estates its just not for me. Audi do the RS6 as an estate so what do i know. i just don't think and estate will ever look sporty due to its similar apearance to a hurste and lack of decent spoiler etc.

It is utterly pointless as the 2.0TSI is avaialble. Narrow band torque compared to constant pull of the petrol does make a great difference. When somebody says that 1 sec in acceleration makes no difference then... there's nothing to talk about anymore really.

Diesel apostels are completely blinded by massive torque figures, I know as I used to be one . Then I drove a car which delivers max torque throughout the whole power band, from tickover to red line, surprise surprise it was petrol.

BTW, what is the weight of Octy III vRS diesel and Petrol, anybody knows?

Im not a diesel 'Apostel' but I see the sense in it. And its not just about a narrow powerband. What about the fact most diesels give MORE torque in that band? Also, Id love to know which car you've driven that delivers max torque from idle to the red line! Im guessing it must be electric?! 1 sec 0-60 makes no difference unless you sit at the lights all day ragging it off the line with a total lack of mechanical sympathy. Mid range is far more important in the real world.... and something TDi's do very well.

I think your mis understanding the target market of the Octavia VRS. If i wanted a hot hatch i would go back to the cliosport or megane sport as they would run rings around the Fabia so all though it suits you its not for everybody and there are people for whom the Octavia VRS ticks all the boxes.

At the same time i wouldn't want a superb for the same reason i dont want a norfolk broads barge. That said im sure a superb ticks all the boxes for some people. In short Just because you can't see its purpose or market neiche doesn't mean there isn't one. The Octy VRS suits me fine and only other vehicle i would consider is an Audi A5. I have Petrol and Diesel VRS's as well i can assure you both have their plus points allthough my main reason for getting the diesel was that it was the spec of the blackline. Although its charms and low down torque have converted me a little from my historical hatred of all things non petrol.

 

 

I do not profess to be some sort of an Oracle in all matters car .

Those are mine own personal opinions with my however twisted logic behind them

 

Megane will run rings around Fabia vRS a this is a different class.

Clio - dream on, unless you heavily modify it. Two stock cars and vRS is miles ahead, not to mention it is waay more frugal at the same time

 

It looks like it turns into "Hold Fabia vRS Fort" game lol.

It is utterly pointless as the 2.0TSI is avaialble. Narrow band torque compared to constant pull of the petrol does make a great difference. When somebody says that 1 sec in acceleration makes no difference then... there's nothing to talk about anymore really.

Diesel apostels are completely blinded by massive torque figures, I know as I used to be one . Then I drove a car which delivers max torque throughout the whole power band, from tickover to red line, surprise surprise it was petrol.

BTW, what is the weight of Octy III vRS diesel and Petrol, anybody knows?

I have both diesel and Petrol as previously said are you saying i don't know the difference. I like driving both for different reasons and if you have tried the new CR diesel its more like a petrol in terms of a wider power band throughout the rev range there is no noticable shove as with the old PD version its more progressive. I really like the low level growl it makes aswell compared to my petrol which can be a bit whiny and asmatic seeing as its standard.