I agree, at the end of the day it's a Skoda Octavia, not a premium brand car. It's no Mercedes and the likes, you should be happy that some components are shared with Audi then if you're getting too depressed.

 

What did you expect? A 300bhp 1.4 liter engine with 60 real mpg, classy high quality interior, super car exterior design, but for less than 20k. Be realistic people.

 

You should see it for what it is, a slightly improved version of the Mk2 with different styling. That's what all manufacturers do, incremental improvements (I mean, look at Porsche!).

Just priced mine up with:

Hatch in Race Blue

TSi

DSG

Leather,heated seats, panoramic roof, Columbus, active cruise, heated windscreen, heated washers, keyless, sunset glass, Bluetooth, airbags.

Its starting to get nr £30k. Think I might just keep mine and have a webasto panoramic sunroof retro fitted for £1500 and run it til it dies.

I'd have one in 4 years when they come in below £13k for a nice specced higher mileage second hand example.

Edited 12 July, 201312 yr by vrs777

I'm not sure people are exactly expecting too much. Yes prices are going up but also specs are going up. You are now getting a lot of features in cars that a lot cheaper than 25K and so when looking at the Octavia you are starting to expect them to complete on specs as well.

 

Obviously its never going to be a fully specced for no money but its not a cheap car to buy. Also the fact that many people are comparing the 25K to the 17K you could get the old VRS for as well, thats a HUGE jump in price, yes I know it was an older car but the specs of the car then were good value for money which is what lots of people look at Skoda for. 

Did anyone else notice the click at the end of the throttle pedal travel? What's it for? Some sort of kick-down for DSG or speed limiter cancel?

You can reset the DSGs memory with it. Don't know if it does anything else

 

Obviously its never going to be a fully specced for no money but its not a cheap car to buy. Also the fact that many people are comparing the 25K to the 17K you could get the old VRS for as well, thats a HUGE jump in price, yes I know it was an older car but the specs of the car then were good value for money which is what lots of people look at Skoda for. 

 

Surely 17k was vat free?

If so what would the retail price have been ?

It's not for resetting the DSG memory from what I know. It's basically to tell the DSG you want WOT and that it needs to give you everything it can, even if you're in D and not in S. I drove a GTI with that, being in D I floored it and it went all the way to the redline (which it won't do otherwise).

if you deal with rrp on the road prices it is not 17k to 25k

I'm not sure people are exactly expecting too much. Yes prices are going up but also specs are going up. You are now getting a lot of features in cars that a lot cheaper than 25K and so when looking at the Octavia you are starting to expect them to complete on specs as well.

 

Obviously its never going to be a fully specced for no money but its not a cheap car to buy. Also the fact that many people are comparing the 25K to the 17K you could get the old VRS for as well, thats a HUGE jump in price, yes I know it was an older car but the specs of the car then were good value for money which is what lots of people look at Skoda for. 

My issue isn't particularly with the price of the car - I went there yesterday knowing that if I liked it enough I could go to a dealer, get my 12% discount and buy one without worrying about the money side. It being £5-7k more than a blackline didn't bother me. It not feeling as nice a place to be, did.

 

I just feel that there's been a bit too much left out from the spec/budget and as such it's missing something that makes me feel special. If I'm buying a car in the mid to high £20Ks, I don't think I'm expecting too much to get in it, look round and feel pleased, rather than have the seat fabric remind me of cheap work trousers.

 

I had that "oh yes, this is nice" moment in quite a few cars, several of them cheaper or more ordinary than the VRS.

The 208GTI felt great. The new C4 Picasso had a real "wow" when you got in. The Mazda 6 and CX5 both have a more premium feel and spec. A RAV4 felt like I was being spoiled and the Beetle Cabrio was cracking fun.

 

I want to like it more. I really do, and I'm not saying it's a bad car, but when I'm spending a lot of money on something to drive for five or six years I want to be convinced it's the right choice.

if you deal with rrp on the road prices it is not 17k to 25k

The RRP isn't all that relevant. It's the price that the average, non-expert-haggler would pay that matters.

For the blackline with all the toys it was £17k and for the basic Mk3 petrol hatch it's probably £21k, plus a fair few essentials to bring it up to an equivalent spec.

Edited 12 July, 201312 yr by Dr Zoidberg

But again comparing the black line, which was a run out model for an old about-to-be-replaced car with a brand new one with new tech on a new platform isn't really fair either.

The RRP isn't all that relevant. It's the price that the average, non-expert-haggler would pay that matters.

For the blackline with all the toys it was £17k and for the basic petrol hatch it's probably £21k, plus a fair few essentials to bring it up to an equivalent spec.

 

 

So are you saying the Mk2 FL petrol model was 21k as opposed to 23k for the mk3 equivalent?

Mmm seems not too many impressed by the Vrs :(

 

It's Briskoda, every new Skoda gets flamed and then goes on to sell fairly well

 

Not saying feedback and criticsm in certain areas aren't justified though, it's just usually the way of things on here. 

But again comparing the black line, which was a run out model for an old about-to-be-replaced car with a brand new one with new tech on a new platform isn't really fair either.

Agreed, unless its just me but I never felt any sort of connection with the Mk2 VRS chassis - it was wooden and uninvolving and didnt seem to get much better with more ££ thrown at it in terms of suspension components. Having driven the new platform on a good number of cars it feels much nicer than the almost 10 year old Mk2 platform did. Thats progress I guess. I certainly wouldnt compare, in value terms, a loaded up, highly dicsounted run out model to a brand new car that isnt actually even available yet!

The RRP isn't all that relevant. It's the price that the average, non-expert-haggler would pay that matters.

For the blackline with all the toys it was £17k and for the basic Mk3 petrol hatch it's probably £21k, plus a fair few essentials to bring it up to an equivalent spec.

My Eleg 150CR was £21k including £2k of extras, so not basic for that money. If you can get the same deals on a vRS then expect at least £2.5k off a SUK standard spec so a nice one with a list of say £28k should set you back about £24.5k and you should still get the free servicing and finance deals on top!

The RRP isn't all that relevant. It's the price that the average, non-expert-haggler would pay that matters.

For the blackline with all the toys it was £17k and for the basic Mk3 petrol hatch it's probably £21k, plus a fair few essentials to bring it up to an equivalent spec.

 

very true mate but we are also comparing a run out model to a new one. run outs tend to get dumped with many extras finance deals etc to get people to buy them so no dount when the mk4 is coming out the sam will happen to this one.

 

its only fair to compare like for like if judging price increase imho

My Eleg 150CR was £21k including £2k of extras, so not basic for that money. If you can get the same deals on a vRS then expect at least £2.5k off a SUK standard spec so a nice one with a list of say £28k should set you back about £24.5k and you should still get the free servicing and finance deals on top!

It might even be something as simple as opting for full leather seats that could make the difference (any pictures yet?), plus I know the sunroof can really transform a car.

 

I've had another look at the options list and with everything I'd want on an estate I'm on £27575, or £1k less for the hatch.

 

12% discount would bring that down to £24266 which is a price I'd happily pay for the right car, especially with 0% finance as that's equivalent to a couple of thousand saved in interest payments.

It might even be something as simple as opting for full leather seats that could make the difference (any pictures yet?), plus I know the sunroof can really transform a car.

 

I've had another look at the options list and with everything I'd want on an estate I'm on £27575, or £1k less for the hatch.

 

12% discount would bring that down to £24266 which is a price I'd happily pay for the right car, especially with 0% finance as that's equivalent to a couple of thousand saved in interest payments.

do you reckon youd get 12%? im looking for a new car soon to cut costs so may be in market for octy or gti

 

i would prefer octy but never seen it, full leather would be interesting.

 

do we know what a vRS GFV will be yet?

Did anyone else notice the click at the end of the throttle pedal travel? What's it for? Some sort of kick-down for DSG or speed limiter cancel?

DSGs have a kickdown switch like a regular auto

do you reckon youd get 12%? im looking for a new car soon to cut costs so may be in market for octy or gti

i would prefer octy but never seen it, full leather would be interesting.

do we know what a vRS GFV will be yet?

This is interesting actually. Last time I popped in and spoke to my dealers I whined about the lack of VAT offer and thought that a new one was unlikely to offer anything like as gooder value as the Blackline estate DSG id just bought.....he said that interestingly despite the higher list price the new car would have considerably stronger GFV's and in reality on PCP at least the MK3 would probably work out slightly cheaper to fund...also 0% offer. I reckon VWFS have gone down the road of upping the cars GFV by 20ish% to compensate for the VAT free deal (so rather than saying £9k after 3.5 years be more like £12, financing the same sort of capital but with no interet to pay.

This is interesting actually. Last time I popped in and spoke to my dealers I whined about the lack of VAT offer and thought that a new one was unlikely to offer anything like as gooder value as the Blackline estate DSG id just bought.....he said that interestingly despite the higher list price the new car would have considerably stronger GFV's and in reality on PCP at least the MK3 would probably work out slightly cheaper to fund...also 0% offer. I reckon VWFS have gone down the road of upping the cars GFV by 20ish% to compensate for the VAT free deal (so rather than saying £9k after 3.5 years be more like £12, financing the same sort of capital but with no interet to pay.

 

Thats what I am thinking, so the actual amount to finance will be very similar, the only main difference will be what discount you can haggle plus the 0% all of a sudden make it an attractive price point, I reckon with minimum deposit and with about a 10% approx haggle you will get in a base spec vRS TSI for under £300 per month easily, thats not that bad a price in my opinion.

Yea I was working on 4k deposit few options being around £200 pm

Guys all vertra1 wants to know is the retail price of the facelift Vrs hatch in manual? Say in 2012 not the blackline or offers etc. we're trying to work out joe much the new Vrs will be here.

Evo's and What Car's reviews of the vRS. Pretty positive, like the reviews from Autocar and AutoExpress. So the motoring professionals seem more enthusiastic about the vRS than most posts on here! Perhaps they are more realistic about what it's trying to achieve, i.e. a fast large saloon or wagon rather than a hot hatch rival.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/290305/skoda_octavia_vrs_review_price_and_specs.html

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/2013-skoda-octavia-vrs-review/266205

A good and realistic review by Evo. I'm sure loads of us would love a performance pack, even a vRS-R but probably won't happen.