I like my fancy LED eyebrows thank you sir

I didn't at first but they have really grown on me...

I don't really mind people driving around with their fog lights on, its their problem. But kamikaze ''drivers'' with the lights off when its dark, when its raining so heavily you can hardly see your own bonnet....now those idiots really do pi** me off.

I like my fancy LED eyebrows thank you sir

I didn't at first but they have really grown on me...

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^^^ That's weird, my leds are at the top of my *cough* Bi xenons :p

I may invest in a set of those though, they are wicked

Edit.. Ah it's an S5... Out of my price range for now.

Those without a clue would drive without lights on in the dark or bad weather and you still see them and think what a nutter with no lights on.

Now with light on automatically they are just as dangerous and stupid but you can not tell so easily,

other than sometimes the very bright DRL's and no rear lights on in poor light conditions.

I am coming around to the Fog Light on brigade since it gives you notice of other plonkers.

The £30,000 plus Audis etc with faulty lights also tickle my fancy,

i like to think the driver thinks they look cool, while not knowing they have half of the front lights not working or maybe only a single Tail Light working.

Some must feel so cool with fancy front lights, while other drivers behind wonder why they have no rear lights on and are hard to see once they zoom past and off into the distance.

Audi are very Lax these days on Faulty Bulb Warning or do the drivers not know what the dash is telling them,

when its lights not working and not just DRL's on..?

I think i see more Audis with faulty lights than any other cars these days.

(other than Renualts, that people might never fix anymore untill MOT time.)

george

The £30,000 plus Audis etc with faulty lights also tickle my fancy,

i like to think the driver thinks they look cool, while not knowing they have half of the front lights not working or only a single Tail Light working.

Audi are very Lax these days on Faulty Bulb Warning or do the drivers not know what the dash is telling them.?

My £30,000 Audi ( I have the original receipt..) has a comprehensive bulb failure system.

It covers every externally visible bulb but not the interior/courtesy lighting

It also tells you which bulb has failed in plain english (or german if you prefer)

on the colour DIS screen along with a beeped warning on start up

or at the moment a bulb fails if you are already rolling.

It also has an automatic lights function which works perfectly.

And yes, I think they look cool along with the rest of the car.

BMW have adopted a system where other bulbs perform the role of a bulb that has failed.

The tail light for example will double up as a brake light if the brake light bulb fails.

The main beam bulb will illuminate at a lower capacity to compensate for a failed dipped headlight bulb.

The indicator bulb will illuminate at a lower capacity (steady on, not flashing) to compensate for a failed sidelight bulb.

etc.

gr666, i am sure it does look cool. Cool for Cats as the song said.

george

why not just do away with DRL's altogether, and just have the sidelights come on automatically when you start the car. Volvo have done it for yonks and it seems to work quite well. Why the fancy LED eyebrows :think:

Unfortuantly the standard W5W bulbs common used for the sidelight function are often lost against the same large reflector used for the dipped headlight bulb.

This means that they not bright enough to be effective as DRL's.

Although I do wish rear tail lights would come on at the same time as DRL's (like on some BMW's). This function can be set-up using VCDS on the latest Skoda models.

Although I do wish rear tail lights would come on at the same time as DRL's (like on some BMW's). This function can be set-up using VCDS on the latest Skoda models.

Mine do.

Edit... And thanks George, that means a lot

Any of you lot remember back in the 80's when dimmed headlights came on when you put your sidelights on?

Didn't last long, but quite a good idea at the time

I think this is commonly referred to as 'dim dip'.

The good thing with dim-dip is that they were just as bright as DRL's and also utilised the rear tail lights too.

We do get it right in the UK sometimes, its a shame then that we were over ruled by the EU!

Dim-dip lamps

UK regulations briefly required vehicles first used on or after 1 April 1987 to be equipped with a dim-dip device or special running lamps, except such vehicles as comply fully with UN Regulation 48 regarding installation of lighting equipment. A dim-dip device operates the low beam headlamps (called "dipped beam" in the UK) at between 10% and 20% of normal low-beam intensity. The running lamps permitted as an alternative to dim-dip were required to emit at least 200 candela straight ahead, and no more than 800 candela in any direction. In practice, most vehicles were equipped with the dim-dip option rather than the running lamps.^[32]

The dim-dip systems were not intended for daytime use as DRLs. Rather, they operated if the engine was running and the driver switched on the parking lamps (called "sidelights" in the UK). Dim-dip was intended to provide a nighttime "town beam" with intensity between that of the parking lamps commonly used at the time by British drivers in city traffic after dark, and dipped (low) beams; the former were considered insufficiently intense to provide improved conspicuity in conditions requiring it, while the latter were considered too glaring for safe use in built-up areas. The UK was the only country to require such dim-dip systems, though vehicles so equipped were sold in other Commonwealth countries with left-hand traffic.

In 1988, the European Commission successfully prosecuted the UK government in the European Court of Justice, arguing that the UK requirement for dim-dip was illegal under EC directives prohibiting member states from enacting vehicle lighting requirements not contained in pan-European EC directives. As a result, the UK requirement for dim-dip was quashed. Nevertheless, dim-dip systems remain permitted, and while such systems are not presently as common as they once were, dim-dip functionality was fitted on many new cars well into the 1990s. The Jaguar XJS used this system, including the final Celebration models produced up until 1995.

The problem is that some cars with front drls automatically turn on the interior dash lights, so drivers not paying attention do notturn on the heaadlights when it gets dark

True, although I think some manufacturers are now addressing this by utilising a light sensor mounted on or around the dash. This detects the level of ambient light and adjusts the interior lighting as necessary.

The problem is that some cars with front drls automatically turn on the interior dash lights, so drivers not paying attention do notturn on the heaadlights when it gets dark

Our 500 does this, the dash can be permanently lit whether the DRLs are activated

(in settings menu) or not. But it is a function which can also be disabled via same settings

menu.

Interestingly, the 500 doesn't have sidelights in the traditional format.

Just the dipped headlights/indicators (Which share a lamp), DRL/Fullbeams (which share a different lamp)

and separate front fogs.

The rear lights don't come on either until you turn on the headlights.

Fortunately the Mrs is pretty careful after having this pointed out to her.

The problem is that some cars with front drls automatically turn on the interior dash lights, so drivers not paying attention do notturn on the heaadlights when it gets dark

Well that answers that question then as to why I've seen quite a few cars driving around at dusk with just these wretched drl's on.

I use ma fogs coz it makes ma whip lk wikid cool innit.

It's getting silly on the roads now, so many people driving around with schit looking drls and chavvs in old cavaliers with their front fogs on is ridiculous, IMO this is down to them thinking the law has changed because there's loads of new cars with drls on, so their justification for leaving fogs on

The people in EU seem to cope without the need for using fog-lights all the time - maybe the UK suffers from a much dumber population than I realised?! It's the cars with DRLs already that still feel the need for fog lights that get me.

BMW have adopted a system where other bulbs perform the role of a bulb that has failed.

The tail light for example will double up as a brake light if the brake light bulb fails.

The main beam bulb will illuminate at a lower capacity to compensate for a failed dipped headlight bulb.

The indicator bulb will illuminate at a lower capacity (steady on, not flashing) to compensate for a failed sidelight bulb.

etc.

Mine also flashes the entire rear clusters (except the reverse light) at double speed if a rear indicator fails too.

As for why - when I asked some friends from uni who do it occasionally I usually get the response 'cos it annoys you!' or 'to wind my friends up'. Granted, they turn them off on the road (we're only in 'convoy' for about 1/2 a mile until we go separate ways), but that seems to be the most common response I've had.

I don't doubt people think of it as a 'looking cool'/ fashion statement type thing either - like the women I see most days in an e91 with angel eyes and fog lights on. Why?

I've needed to use my fog lights a few times recently, and they're pointless. May as well not bother with them except to be seen (that's before they filled up with water from the floods too!) - so I have no idea how people can drive along at NSL with just them on.

George - I also dislike cornering lights too. Do it properly and have moving dipped beams, like the Citroen C4/DS etc used to have.

George - I also dislike cornering lights too. Do it properly and have moving dipped beams, like the Citroen C4/DS etc used to have.

Of course!

Had a 2nd hand Citroen C4 with those 6 years ago. They were actually quite good, but I certainly wouldn't have specified them if the car had been brand new..

:think:

As for why - when I asked some friends from uni who do it occasionally I usually get the response 'cos it annoys you!' or 'to wind my friends up'. Granted, they turn them off on the road (we're only in 'convoy' for about 1/2 a mile until we go separate ways), but that seems to be the most common response I've had.

I don't doubt people think of it as a 'looking cool'/ fashion statement type thing either - like the women I see most days in an e91 with angel eyes and fog lights on. Why?

Lad over the road always switches his 'fog' on in his Corsa.

I think I may well ask him why he does it.....purely for survey purposes of course..

Are you sure, the only Kia Cee'd to get DRL's is the very latest version.

On this model the DRL / foglight set up is the same as on the current Octavia, two seperate bulbs in the same housing.

The Cee'd 2 and above use a strip of LED's for the DRL's housed in the main headlight cluster.

DRL's would be of little use for cornering lights as they are aimed higher more towards the eyeline of approaching traffic.

Here is the Cee'd 1 with it's DRL's on, you can see the fog lights next to them (turned off).

This is the Cee'd 2 and above with its LED DRL's in the headlights...

Yes, this was the new model, and on a 62 plate.

I think this is commonly referred to as 'dim dip'.

The good thing with dim-dip is that they were just as bright as DRL's and also utilised the rear tail lights too.

We do get it right in the UK sometimes, its a shame then that we were over ruled by the EU!

I've said before, I never saw the point of dim-dip. I think instead, the light switch should have been on or off only: With ignition off, it would turn on sidelights, with ignition on, dipped headlights.

I also dislike cornering lights too.

Have you experienced them from behind the wheel?

Or is your dislike of them based on your experience of seeing them on other cars?

I freely admit to driving with my foglights on. The output from the projector headlights on the roomster is woeful even with 100w bulbs.

I have an HID kit waiting to fit, and if this makes a difference to the headlights then I'll quit using the fogs.

I drive with dipped headlights on in full daylight always have done, surely better to be as visible as possible at all times? IMHO.

I admire your honesty (and bravery) Jonny.

I'm not a hater so no lambasting from me!

I don't find that fog lights dazzle me if I'm honest. I'm more annoyed with people using HID kits in non projector lights.