WOW!! Hadn;'t really noticed much nastiness on this thread tbh

Have a man 'ug from me anyway mate!

We all still luv you really Jar, you chavvy boy racing poser!

Edited 31 December, 201213 yr by Mr Ree

I think I have said something wrong to upset a few people on this thread as a couple of people have stated they use their fog lights in a similar fashion to myself but has gone unmentioned :wonder:

I was also pretty surprised by the response you got, but I don't think the problem is necessarily related to the foglights and may be more to do with this:

I have the lightest tint sold by Lamin-x and as I understand it, this is not illegal. Given that I can see properly in 99.9% of driving situations I fail to see how this is stupid?!?

I have no idea how severely the light output is reduced but I think people are struggling to understand why you would apply a modification that made the car noticeably worse...

Regardless of the reasons, two wrongs dont make a right, and by flashing your main beems at them to show your anger/annoyance/believe to be a policeman/on a higher horse than anyone else, that response alone is more dangerous and will more likely cause an accident than the little light at the bottom of your bumper itself!

Completely agree

Chris

WOW!! Hadn;'t really noticed much nastiness on this thread tbh

Have a man 'ug from me anyway mate!

We all still luv you really Jar, you chavvy boy racing poser!

:moon: only messing

Taff, George... was always told honesty is the best policy. Guess by this thread (and my experience ) this is not always the case, but I will not change!

Scooby: In all honesty the reduction is not that bad, but like with a lot of people driving on A roads and the like, the more light the better (I mean in the sense that soooooo many people turn their main beams on as soon as they can, as do I)

Also, like I said, 99.9% of the time, the tint does not cause a problem. As such, I wont remove the tint unless I get told by the police they are illegal and need to be removed, which is unlikely as they have been on the car for 18 months without problems.

OK, maybe I came across pretty harsh and for that I apologise. I don't apologise however for disliking drivers using fog lights in normal visibility but I will say that they are no more annoying or dazzling that some of the zenons that I see.

I live in a rural area and drive dark roads all the time. I will admit to trying my fogs to see if they helped but noticed very little difference and I wasn't comfortable with the extra fiddle of switching of the fogs while also dipping lights.

OK, maybe I came across pretty harsh and for that I apologise. I don't apologise however for disliking drivers using fog lights in normal visibility but I will say that they are no more annoying or dazzling that some of the zenons that I see.

I live in a rural area and drive dark roads all the time. I will admit to trying my fogs to see if they helped but noticed very little difference and I wasn't comfortable with the extra fiddle of switching of the fogs while also dipping lights.

Thanks for the apology. and no problem for not liking people driving with their fogs on, we are all entitled to our own opinion after all

Also, your experience driving rural roads "all the time" will probably put you in good stead, whereas I only have to deal with it one or twice a year, which will have an impact

Can I feel a group hug coming on here?

Oh go on then!! :love:

I love ya Jay.

And your dodgy lamin x

I love ya Jay.

And your dodgy lamin x

..... and your yellow ......

Look at johhny5's post.... he has admitted the use of illegal HIDs, but as he is a longstanding member and a known person on this forum, nothing is said. Someone even went as far as congratulating his honesty (nothing against you johnny , just using that post as an example ) whereas I was slated for doing the same. (being honest)

But to be fair, not by the same person.

But to be fair, not by the same person.

Granted it was you who congratulated him, but he wasn't lynched for "breaking the law" like I was by someone who responded to it later who had previously jumped down my throat... this is not the first time I have seen this from that particular member and was my point, which I think you've missed.

I think you have put your point across a little better there jars, I didn't mean to sound like I was having a go. It's tricky reading on a forum taking a post as its written sometimes.

With regards to J5, I agree with his fog light use no more than you or anyone else. With regard to his HID's, they are going into projectors (the same as the ones retrofitted into fabias & the head lights stock xenons would use) therefore no chance of blinding someone with poor beam scatter (like putting a HID kit in a stock reflector lense).

Again sorry if I sounded harsh.

I think you have put your point across a little better there jars, I didn't mean to sound like I was having a go. It's tricky reading on a forum taking a post as its written sometimes.

With regards to J5, I agree with his fog light use no more than you or anyone else. With regard to his HID's, they are going into projectors (the same as the ones retrofitted into fabias & the head lights stock xenons would use) therefore no chance of blinding someone with poor beam scatter (like putting a HID kit in a stock reflector lense).

Again sorry if I sounded harsh.

No hard feelings Matt, nor towards anyone else for that matter

As for J5's hid's, wasn't aware they're in projectors... Still doesn't change the feeling and view I've gained about this forum these last 5 weeks, but that's neither here nor there

Edit: just read his post again, now I'm not reading properly :p

So bad exampled used, oh well

Perhaps there should be another topic "The psychology behind the dislike of people who use foglights" ?

Or perhaps just a a topic,

'Is there anyone that actually minds when people use fog lights, when there is a need for them?

ie when there is Fog ?'

george

Maybe it's because of poor lighting due to dirty headlamps. If the car was cleaned regularly or at least the lights were kept clean, people would not need to use front fogs to supplement the light output?

Fogs don't bother me as such but misaligned main lights or even people leaving full beam on does.

Had to smile sarcastically to myself this afternoon.FULL ON Barry boy in his completely ott chavved up Pug 406 coupe, complete with MONSTER BTCC black rear wing sticking out a good 12" either side, drainpipe exhaust, and of course, of course,....his foglights were on...broad and bright daylight.

No offence to base ball cap wearers btw, but he was wearing one, sloped down as low in his seat it's a wonder he could see out of the screen

Edited 3 January, 201313 yr by Mr Ree

The original idea of fog lights was good, the lights being mounted low on the car and having a wide flat beam so that when used on their own the area of illuminated fog was thin and you could see the road through it. 

Trouble is, many half wits use them together with headlamps which defeats the object of them!

Also, rear fog lamps, they are for use in the DAY! Not turned on at night when there is a slight hint of mist. Normal rear lamps on cars today are pretty good and you certainly do not need rear fogs to be seen, unless of course the visibility is down to a few yards, but even then you can see normal rear lights from quite a distance. 

We used to get much thicker fogs years ago which may possibly have required brighter light on the back but it is rare now.

Edited 14 December, 201411 yr by Osmodia

Solve the problem, buy a car with LED lights and you can have your cake and eat it. No need for separate fogs (as somehow LED light can sneak under the mist, unlike normal incandescant light), you get to dazzle every road user on anything other than a pan flat road, and those craaazy patterns they come up with look so cool. And while we're at it, build in an adaptive cruise radar into every nose, always on so no need for rear fog lights, in fact, no need for brake lights either! Everyone's happy!

So that is the future, 

but for now lots of road uses & pedestrians, cyclists etc need to see vehicles from the front and rear now,

moving, stopped or parked.

 

So Fog Lights front & rear in the Fog when visibility is bad is rather simple, and switch off when no fog.

& rear Reflectors or Parking Lights are a help in the Dark.

 

As for rear LED Number Plate white lights showing to the rear as bright as Reversing Lights or front Sidelights, 

WTF is all that about?

A lot more daylight front-fogs switched on drivers about these days. I'm sure it is the proliferation of DRLs that is a major factor. People who don't have DRLs feeling left out and so they switch 'em on to pretend like they have....

Low level fog lights?    There ain't no such thing!

Dipped headlights are designed to bend to the nearside here in  the UK, offside in those countries that decided to go against what comes naturally and drive on the right!   (Why is the left correct?   Because that's the side from which you lead a horse, and horses were led on our roads long before cars!)   That is why you need headlight benders if you take your car overseas.

 

Front fog lamps are not bent, they shine straight ahead and dazzle anything coming towards you or become a constant source of irritation to the vehicle in front when your fog lights catch his mirrors.   If front fog lights are used as well as headlamps, the combined candlepower can cause nasty accidents.

 

Just what are these high-intensity rear lights HGV's are having fitted now - they are like rear fog lights.   These high intensity rear lights, and rear fog lights, are dangerous as they mask the application of brake lights and there is a one to two second extra "thinking" time needed by following vehicles.   Indeed, there is a sound argument for banning the use of fog lights altogether - good quality, well-maintained, head and tail lamps will do a perfectly adequate, if not better, job.

Amazing where there are people that must seldom drive in Fog or Freezing Fog and know where rear Fog Lights really are invaluable.

 

The roads are not populated by only 2 or 3 year old vehicles,

there are many around with still pretty poor rear Side Lights.