What colour would you like your Octavia 3 in?  

Anthracite for me please, but will have to wait for the 4x4 to come along

Silver, 184bhp diesel either vRS or 4x4, and if it's a 4x4 with larger (no I dare not mention it again ) then it would be great. Hopefully the top diesel will still have a choice DSG/manual box, as I'd prefer the manual 6-spd but I am sure quite a few people would rather see DSG on a vRS.

Edited 20 January, 201313 yr by dieselV6

Actually, the main point I made here was about the engine and the reviewer not being quite honest, 1/3rd of this particular review is saying how suffcient 1.6CR is, when it clearly is not adequate even for a car 50kg lighter. And I mean mixed use in the UK, not some high speed driving antics. If you read the other thread you'd have noticed a lot more focus on downsized fuel tank, missing full sized spare and downgraded suspension when compared to Mk2 Octy.

I'm delighted with the 1.6CR 105 in my Fabia estate - excellent performance to the UK speed limits, fuel economy regularly over 60 on the maxidot, and currently running at 54 on the Trip 2

So basically, it's your personal view that they are carp, but not necessarily the general consensus

Just don't mention Skoda UK's four year blanket cambelt interval.

There we go again.

While my view may be that 1.6CR is poor, I think you may find that given a choice between 2.0CR and 1.6CR, 1.6CR can only win on initial price.

I love how every single signature in this thread lists a 2.0 engine (bar one listing a Fiat and one listing no engine), yet you all seem to be experts on 1.6CR fabulous performance.

There is no doubt that for some people 1.6CR will be OK, there is also no doubt that for the same people 2.0CR would also work. But writing "The 1.6-litre TDI engine has impressed elsewhere in its numerous VAG installations, and it continues to do so here" flies in the face of numerous posts on DPF sensor breakdown on 1.6CR, fuel economy worse than 1.9PD and even IP in like for like real life conditions, and very variable mileage people get from 1.6CR, while 2.0CR produces a lot more consistent numbers. Unless the phrase quoted meant "it's a miracle it works at all, given the corners cut".

Edited 20 January, 201313 yr by dieselV6

While my view may be that 1.6CR is poor, I think you may find that given a choice between 2.0CR and 1.6CR, 1.6CR can only win on initial price.

I love how every single signature in this thread lists a 2.0 engine (bar one listing a Fiat and one listing no engine), yet you all seem to be experts on 1.6CR fabulous performance.

I feel sufficiently able to comment on both, mainly because I own both an Octavia vRS 2.0 CR 170, and a Fabia Elegance 1.6 CR 105 estate, but then you could have worked that out for yourself if you could have been @rsed to read my post properly

My other half also owns a Fabia 1.9 TDi Sport, and I'd say that the economy of mine is pretty much on a par with hers

Maybe you were expecting more from your Popemobile............sorry, Roomster

I did read your post just fine, it is quite striking though that despite (allegedly) so many happy users of 1.6CR, everyone lists 2.0 on their sig.

Maybe you were expecting more from your Popemobile............sorry, Roomster

Nah, I bought it because it was cheapest and fastest to get with factory options, to replace written off Mk1 Octavia ASAP. But if you factor the extra fuel in (20% on top of the 15% I originally assumed on top of brochure numbers), I would've paid less for a 2.0CR Octy over 10 years. And Octy would've been 20mph faster. It's the top speed I miss.

Popemobile is fantastic as a family car, as much hassle as it was initially fixing the bugs, it really is a good runaround, and it moved us a house so I can attest to its practicality. I would not really fit in a Fabia, or rather the passenger behind me wouldn't

Edited 20 January, 201313 yr by dieselV6

Nah, I bought it because it was cheapest and fastest to get with factory options, to replace written off Mk1 Octavia ASAP. But if you factor the extra fuel in (20% on top of the 15% I originally assumed on top of brochure numbers), I would've paid less for a 2.0CR Octy over 10 years. And Octy would've been 20mph faster. It's the top speed I miss

How often do you get to drive at top speed?

No, don't ask him that!

No, don't ask him that!

I only ask because it can't be good to drive any car flat out for long periods, and surely any numpty would realise that a Popemobile won't go as fast as an Octavia

About 40k miles out of 110k in my current Mk1 Superb is autobahn in Germany, about 70k is trips across Europe . Roomster is a backup car now so 118mph will have to do. 118mph is actual, though you get 112mph listed in the brochure. And funnily enough, at this speed 1.6CR is quite efficient given Popemobile's shape, about 8.5l/100km or 33mpg. But prior to Roomster (where I only bought 1.6CR because 2.0CR was unavailable), I had Mk1 Octavia 1.9 good for 130mph.

I'd much rather drive a 3.0CR with long gearbox for the speed, but I need rugged suspension, underbody protection, manual gearbox and a car that does not stick out as a thieves/vandals magnet.

If you'd read my post you'd have noticed I bought Roomie because it was cheapest and fastest to get while still fully specced up for European travel (backup for Mk1 Superb). I needed it fast because Octavia got rear-ended. My wife uses 2nd car mostly and she takes care of an elderly couple. My car is often abroad for months at a time.

Without the £4k surplus fuel bill over the life of the car (10 years/120k miles for Roomie) due to 1.6CR engines appetite for fuel, Octavia would have been £2.5k more expensive or so. Hence the Roomster and the subsequent grievance against 1.6CR's thirst.

Edited 20 January, 201313 yr by dieselV6

I had Mk1 Octavia 1.9 good for 130mph.

And what bhp was said Octavia?

I'm guessing at least 130 or 140

So why the surprise that the Roomster was so much slower?

I'd look back to see if it had already been quoted, but most sane people seem to suggest it's a pretty tedious read, for some reason or another

It's not the slower that's the surprise, it's the fuel consumption of the 1.6CR. For me it works out 40% over brochure numbers in mixed use. If it was using 15%-20% over brochure figures, I'd be happy. As it stands, I feel duped into 1.6Cr when I could have bought 2.0CR Octy for actually less money over life of the car. How else can I make it clearer to you? Roomster burns £400/year in fuel on top of brochure numbers.

It's not the slower that's the surprise, it's the fuel consumption of the 1.6CR. For me it works out 40% over brochure numbers in mixed use. If it was using 15%-20% over brochure figures, I'd be happy. As it stands, I feel duped into 1.6Cr when I could have bought 2.0CR Octy for actually less money over life of the car. How else can I make it clearer to you? Roomster burns £400/year in fuel on top of brochure numbers.

Maybe thrashing the goolies off a paltry 1.6 CR diesel has a worse effect on the car's quoted economy than thrashing the goolies off a 1.9 PD

If I remember the brochure correctly they only quote urban/extra urban/combined, there's no mention of a balls-out figure (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong)

This link might help

http://cars.uk.msn.c...truth-about-mpg

Again, Roomie mostly does mixed driving with no thrashing, that's where it burns too much fuel, in mixed driving town+country roads it burns 10% more fuel than 1.9TDI 200kg+ heavier Mk1 Octavia did. As I just said, on motorway at max speed it uses 8.5l/100km, definitely comparable if not better than 1.9 given Roomster's shape and I am OK with that figure.

It's the top speed I miss.

Again, Roomie mostly does mixed driving with no thrashing

Am I just being thick, or do those two comments totally contradict each other

No contradiction.

I have 2 cars, one high speed motorway, the other mixed use and backup for the high speed one. Previously, Mk1 Octy was high speed. After 4 years got replaced in thsi role with Mk1 Superb, with Mk1 Octy doing next 6 years as mixed use and backup car. Octy got written off last year.

Currently there is no good VW Group car to replace the high speed, so after Mk1 Octy got written off, I went for a budget option and replaced it with a Roomie.

Now the point, again: Roomie was only a good budget option if the 1.6CR used anything like its stated figures in fuel in mixed use. It uses much more.

Had I known how much more fuel the 1.6CR uses compared to brochure, I'd have bought the 2.0CR Mk2 Octy as obviously it would do the same mixed use just fine and would be a faster backup car. Hopefully clear enough now.

Hopefully clear enough now.

Not really, no, but I'm sure that you're convinced by what you're cracking on about

Lance Armstrong is clean too

#13

As a last attempt to get through to you, £14k Roomster + £4k Roomster extra fuel cost due to wasteful 1.6CR in mixed use totals more money than 17k Octavia 2.0CR with more normal fuel economy in mixed use.

Edited 20 January, 201313 yr by dieselV6

#13

I never even mentioned car colour

As a last attempt to get through to you, £14k Roomster + £4k Roomster extra fuel cost due to wasteful 1.6CR in mixed use totals more money than 17k Octavia 2.0CR with more normal fuel economy in mixed use.

Is that a promise?

At least now your intentions are obvious to everyone, let's replace discussion on a crappy engine with a wind-up instead.

Edited 20 January, 201313 yr by dieselV6

At least now your intentions are obvious to everyone, let's replace discussion on a crappy engine with a wind-up instead.

But why do you always bite?

I can only assume it is an addiction to having the last word...

At least now your intentions are obvious to everyone, let's replace discussion on a crappy engine with a wind-up instead.

I've never been more serious

You repeat the same rant over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over......

........I think you get my drift

And for anyone else who is still reading, don't be put off the 1.6 CR by one person on a mission who can't get the economy he was expecting