hi guys i put a post on not so long ago about how i was getting water in my oil.

had loads of replys saying it could be the head gaskets again or the condensation in the cambox.

so the engines been all took apart and we were going to send the head off to be skimmed but as my dad and other half were taking it apart they discovered that the piston sleves are moving up with the pistons.

as this happened water p***ed out the sum plug hole.

usually the sleves are ment to stay still,

the haynes manual shows two clamps to hold the liners in which we didnt have so since these have moved is the engine bugg**ed?

are the sleves actually ment to move?

the gaskets were only replaced a year and a half ago and there already being eaten away. including the rocker covere gasket as it was leaking loads?

ill add a pic of the piston sleve moving up to show you what im on about

thanks again guys i appericiate the help

Edited 2 June, 201313 yr by tzume1992

I think we all know what a wet liner is. The big problem here is that your 'mechanics' didn't!

Why would you even move the crank with the head off? The clamps which you didn't use are meant to keep the liners seated and sealed.

You'll be VERY lucky to get the liners reseated and sealing properly now, so yes, the engine may be buggered unless it's stripped and rebuilt properly and there's very little chance of your Dad and partner being up to the job since they've made such a mess of the simple part.

Ok well thanks for the helpfull reply

But I will say no not all of us know what a wet liner is as some of us are 20year old girls!! Simply asking for help on thier first car. Its not likes its a 2759372 pound car so calm down its a fabia which should have gone on the scrap heap long ago but as some of us didnt spit out a kid at the age of 15 and have NEVER claimed ANY benefits EVER I dont have money to go to the garage and pay the £1200 they were asking (this was the cheapest quote). And finally the only reason I got this car is because my dead grandad left me money which went on £700 on the car and £1700 on my first years insurance (which im sure you wouldnt have ever dream of paying when you first got insured)

So yeah i am reply with a bit of a gobby reply coz I dont appericiate you bitchin at my dad or partner who are trying to help unlike the tone of your reply

But thanks anyway

obviously the crank was turned to check that the bores were not damaged or cracked no point rebuilding the engine if the bores are damaged there will be timing marks to re time the engine .... no big deal

I think we all know what a wet liner is. The big problem here is that your 'mechanics' didn't!

Why would you even move the crank with the head off? The clamps which you didn't use are meant to keep the liners seated and sealed.

You'll be VERY lucky to get the liners reseated and sealing properly now, so yes, the engine may be buggered unless it's stripped and rebuilt properly and there's very little chance of your Dad and partner being up to the job since they've made such a mess of the simple part.

as per usual another 'holier than thou' post from you.

if the liners have moved then they will need removing, block cleaning and then you will need to reseat the liners. if you have a workshop manual giving liner heights then you should be able to sort easily.

Thanks guys its nice to have a helpfull reply (:

Yeah it says in the haynes manual how to reseat them might have to reseal the bottoms tho

Just need to find the feeler gauges now

But really thanks (: appericiate it I was starting to worry it was going to be ddifficult

Ill keep you posted

And thanks again

Thanks guys its nice to have a helpfull reply (:

Yeah it says in the haynes manual how to reseat them might have to reseal the bottoms tho

Just need to find the feeler gauges now

But really thanks (: appericiate it I was starting to worry it was going to be ddifficult

Ill keep you posted

And thanks again

you should be ok with it just take your time and it should be straight forward and easy enough plus if it comes to it it shouldnt be 2 hard to track down a replacement 'mpi engine'

I think we all know what a wet liner is. The big problem here is that your 'mechanics' didn't!

Why would you even move the crank with the head off? The clamps which you didn't use are meant to keep the liners seated and sealed.

You'll be VERY lucky to get the liners reseated and sealing properly now, so yes, the engine may be buggered unless it's stripped and rebuilt properly and there's very little chance of your Dad and partner being up to the job since they've made such a mess of the simple part.

For gods sake mate, why are you such a condescending bellend?

Do us all a favour and **** off unless you have one thing to say that doesn't waste everyone else's life. Fool

hi guys i put a post on not so long ago about how i was getting water in my oil.

had loads of replys saying it could be the head gaskets again or the condensation in the cambox.

so the engines been all took apart and we were going to send the head off to be skimmed but as my dad and other half were taking it apart they discovered that the piston sleves are moving up with the pistons.

as this happened water p***ed out the sum plug hole.

usually the sleves are ment to stay still,

the haynes manual shows two clamps to hold the liners in which we didnt have so since these have moved is the engine bugg**ed?

are the sleves actually ment to move?

the gaskets were only replaced a year and a half ago and there already being eaten away. including the rocker covere gasket as it was leaking loads?

ill add a pic of the piston sleve moving up to show you what im on about

thanks again guys i appericiate the help

It sounds like the issue with the loss of water and mixing with oil is indeed the liners. I'm not familiar with the engine but I would guess when the head is on and torqued down properly, this would seat and seal the liners?. Either way I'd get a rebuild priced up against a second hand engine and see what's more cost effective. Finally, it doesn't matter that the crank has been moved as you can still time the engine back up but it might have helped by not moving it and moving the liners as a result. Either way, I hope you get it sorted.

you should be ok with it just take your time and it should be straight forward and easy enough plus if it comes to it it shouldnt be 2 hard to track down a replacement 'mpi engine'

For gods sake mate, why are you such a condescending bellend?

Do us all a favour and **** off unless you have one thing to say that doesn't waste everyone else's life. Fool

I defently need the head skimmed its pitted to hell /: and the gasket was half eaten away. When you put a straight edge on it you can see the gaps where the water would be escaping. So that will be gone to be skimmed monday properly and ill most likely be back on here in 3 or 4 days looking for help again if anything goes wrong when putting it back together

But thanks so much for the help.

I know!! Love it haha

Thanks everyone ill now be packing up for the day and get back on here when we'll be putting it back together

Thanks again everyone

Edited 2 June, 201313 yr by tzume1992

It sounds like the issue with the loss of water and mixing with oil is indeed the liners. I'm not familiar with the engine but I would guess when the head is on and torqued down properly, this would seat and seal the liners?. Either way I'd get a rebuild priced up against a second hand engine and see what's more cost effective. Finally, it doesn't matter that the crank has been moved as you can still time the engine back up but it might have helped by not moving it and moving the liners as a result. Either way, I hope you get it sorted.

/: oh dear

Well lets hope its just the pits in the head

I found an engine for £600 but I think itll be cheapper to fix

As uncles has a garage if bottom of engine needs to come out

Head skimming and gaskets takes me up to £100 so depends on how much a new pistons, rings and sleve seals cost /:

Thanks for the reply tho (:

I hope itll get sorted too haha

/: oh dear

Well lets hope its just the pits in the head

I found an engine for £600 but I think itll be cheapper to fix

As uncles has a garage if bottom of engine needs to come out

Head skimming and gaskets takes me up to £100 so depends on how much a new pistons, rings and sleve seals cost /:

Thanks for the reply tho (:

I hope itll get sorted too haha

You can use the old pistons but might aswell replace the rings using a cylinder compressor to get them back in the liners. Make sure you get the liners out and clean the faces where they seal and also the bottom end clean aswell. You need all the crap gone to seal then properly.

I guess with hindsight my reply was a little harsh, but it was at least accurate, it really irritates me when people post "I've done something stupid and mucked everything up threads". I didn't know the OP was a young girl otherwise I might not have used such grown-up language.

Thanks to the frog chorus of moronic guessmongers (I think you know who you are) for pointing that out.

Moral of the story; don't do the stupid thing in the first place. Get advice here beforehand.

to reseat the liners properly is quite a skilled task, you need to measure the projection height with feeler blades and select the correct thickness base seals to compensate, it's ok to re-use your liners and pistons and even the rings so long as they aren't scored or damaged, it's also worth getting a machinist with a internal micrometer or a bore guage to check them for ovality too, the last thing you want is to reasseble it only to find that the gasket blowing has distorted the liner.. it's not an impossible task but everything needs to be absolutely spotlessly clean and you just need big brass shiney balls too

Thanks to the frog chorus of moronic guessmongers

You're not really getting this not being a tool on a forum thing are you?

When you're in a hole it's usually best to stop digging.

You're not really getting this not being a tool on a forum thing are you?

When you're in a hole it's usually best to stop digging.

...and another one chimes in, a tool is at least useful so I'll take that as a backhanded compliment.

...and another one chimes in,

Lol........Don't worry, I'm sure you'll have plenty more 'chiming in' members to look forward to!

Lol........Don't worry, I'm sure you'll have plenty more 'chiming in' members to look forward to!

All dumb and wrong as well no doubt, lol.

I thought you agreed with the sentiments of the 'chimers in'

I guess with hindsight my reply was a little harsh

So we're all wrong (and dumb for it) now? I'm not sure you know what you're talking about.

But we already knew that anyway....Lol.

All dumb and wrong as well no doubt, lol.

Lol, if only every body was as big a genius as you.

You must be very lonely.

Quick tip for the OP- ring compression tool - if none, try a drain pipe clip - and if replacing the rings, use an old one( ring) to clean out the piston of crud .

Lol, if only every body was as big a genius as you.

You must be very lonely.

Of course I'm not lonely, I have people like you queuing up with personal insults to keep me amused.

It's not my fault the frog chorus don't know what they're talking about, it's theirs! I simply point it out, they choose to shoot the messenger.

Protip: If you don't know what you're taking about, don't say anything, that way you don't advertise your ignorance.

Incidentally I did already apologise for being overly harsh in my initial reply, some of you may not have noticed in the stampede.

I sold my perfectly good engine out of my MPi for £150 so if it comes to it don't panic

True, you could always take the possibility to do a cheaky upgrade and go for a 16v engine ? doesnt have to be specifically for the fabia either presumably given the way they are used amongst different marques, eg BLT engine vRS. Wouldn't go too extreme though otherwise you might as well replace the whole car.

Then again there is the old adage of better the devil you know, but £150 is bugger all for an engine.

It would be a different matter if it was something like a vrs