Perhaps i exaggerated a bit, not really wanting to insult others' opinions, but I find the Provoke so unbelievably ugly and this whole fashion thing appalls me, especially as those of us who love Skodas took so much unfounded stick over the years. I have never really been so horrified by such a tasteless mockery of LR styling as this car is. I don't want to go on, but i do wonder how anyone could like such a squashed in roof. Bully for all of you with enough money to spend on a car, yes, no better than a Freelander.

I think you'll find most of the world disagrees with you about the styling of the Evoque, and the childish name calling doesn't really help your case.

eeeeemmmm you know off off  off   offside  :no: off@@@@  :no:, I give up the one who is not allowed here anymore. (I'm sure someone can remember his name if you can KEEP IT TO YOURSELF )

Sorry, Kevin, you've lost me there somewhere   ........

The Evoke is not a comparison with the Yeti. It is designed to be sold in a totally different market, so I cannot see why the comparison is made. The FL is closer comparison.

Was I wrong to try one then?

 

I really don't get this. The Evoque and Yeti are similar in size and similar to drive (massive MPG differences notwithstanding). They're both small, quirky 4x4s. It's not as if one's a Smart car and the other a Tatra 814.

Was I wrong to try one then?

 

I really don't get this. The Evoque and Yeti are similar in size and similar to drive (massive MPG differences notwithstanding). They're both small, quirky 4x4s. It's not as if one's a Smart car and the other a Tatra 814.

Why is one nearly twice the price?

Why is one nearly twice the price?

simples....the badge. Many will pay over the odds for less simply because it's fashionable. In short the buy out of ignorance and a desire to be 'seen' in what is percieved to be a quality product. Don't complain, just drive a Skoda and pocket the difference. The joke's on them, though they don't realise it! Keep the faith.

Was I wrong to try one then?

 

I really don't get this. The Evoque and Yeti are similar in size and similar to drive (massive MPG differences notwithstanding). They're both small, quirky 4x4s. It's not as if one's a Smart car and the other a Tatra 814.

 

No, and please read the whole of my posting. I haven't criticised anyone for testing what ever they like.

 

Where I am confused is why people are comparing the Yeti with any vehicle that costs twice as much. If you are comparing just on size then fine, but when I was comparing something to replace my Freelander I looked at 4x4 models in roughly the same price range and market sector, and that certainly didn't include anything with a Range Rover tag and price. Even the Freelander2 was at the limit of my pricing structure.

 

The Evoke is probably a fine vehicle, and certainly has done the LR order books wonders, but it has a Range Rover tag on purpose; to put it into the perceived "luxury" market. Even LR admit that. Agreed it's looks are "different" and I actually quite like the 4 door version, BUT, it is still built on the Freelander platform, and if I was in the market to spend more than the cost of a fully spec'ed Yeti it wouldn't be the model I would buy. As said I would buy a Freelander as I consider it to be a far more practical vehicle.

I tried the Evoque when I was looking to replace Yeti no1. They're similar sizes, similar performance - I'd say a comparison was fair. The Evoque is plusher inside, the Yeti is arguably better value. Both good.

 

The Evoque competes with the likes of the X1, the Yeti competes with the CRV.  Why would any buyer be choosing between Evoque/Yeti or X1/CRV?

The Evoque competes with the likes of the X1, the Yeti competes with the CRV.  Why would any buyer be choosing between Evoque/Yeti or X1/CRV?

For perfectly rational reasons. Let's say you're in a position where you're willing to spend up to £40K on a car. Two of your contenders might be a Yeti CR170 @ about £25K with options and an Evoque at about 50% more. Both of these vehicles could be in your reckoning, but at the same time you don't necessarily want to spend your maximum budget unless there's a strong reason to do so. So it's perfectly possible to be considering both cars and then to come down in favour of the Yeti.

As it happens, I'm in this position right now except that I absolutely won't be considering the Evoque because of its bizarre rear roof treatment. It's the antithesis of good style. Emperor's New Clothes and all that (in my book at least).

One of the annoying things about the Yeti is that for its class of car it does so many things right. Although, on paper, there are a number of other makes/models to consider at a price up to eg 150% of the Yeti price, in practice most fall by the wayside on more detailed evaluation either on grounds of styling (Evoque, X1 etc) or because the package just doesn't compare in the end. Be interesting to see more of eg the GLA or Macan, when the time comes (GLA looks overstyled though and Macan a bit bulbous, but always difficult to tell for sure until you've seen them in the flesh). Though if BMW could do a major FL on the X1 then that could be interesting, but I doubt that's planned at present.

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What actually is under the skin of the Evoke? I always thought it was pretty much a Kuga underneath.

But on here people have said, Freelander, XC60... Which is it, or is it all 3, or more?

I know the Yeti platform is shared with many others in the VAG group but when you're the lowest sibling in the family (ok maybe with Seat) it doesn't matter as much as when you're trying to be the top of the tree.

Personally I really like the Evoke and if I was looking to spend £35k on an SUV I'd buy an X3.

The platform for the Evoke is exactly the same as the Freelander 2. All the mechanical mountings are exactly the s

It was designed in house by JLR long after they had left the Ford fold, so I can't see why the connection with the Kuga, which is actually a US Ford design, not an EU Ford one.

This the first time I ever got so annoyed by a car. I do think there are others who find the squashed roof bizarre and the fashion mad styling horrible. Quite a few friends of mine agree, and there seems to be others on this thread who agree. It seems exploitative to me, especially at the price. Have any of you seen inside the new A class Mercedes? It's really nothing special inside, the perceived quality is no different to many less expensive cars. People are really ready to spend a lot of money for a badge, even when that badge ceases to really have the quality it was famed for in the past. We used to have a mercedes, about 20 years ago, just before the E class renamed it. It was half hand built. Well, I am sorry if I ruffled feathers on this thread. Just that the Evoque is really a parody of a Land Rover at that price, however well it rides over rough terrain.

Today's quality car is a Skoda. Have any of you tried a Dacia Duster? They are huge in France it seems.

The platform for the Evoke is exactly the same as the Freelander 2. All the mechanical mountings are exactly the s

It was designed in house by JLR long after they had left the Ford fold, so I can't see why the connection with the Kuga, which is actually a US Ford design, not an EU Ford one.

Freelander 2 and Evoque (spelt correctly ) are largely an XC90. Both are still using Ford power plants and Volvo transmissions although that is changing. New 9 speed gearbox is interesting to work with lol

Actually, looking back over my original mail I don't see 'name calling ' or character assassination towards anyone who chooses to waste their money on the Evoque.I did say they were rendered 'ridiculous' but that's hardly 'bilious'. I wonder how well people actually read these threads before reacting. You guys love a rant, don't you?

This is finally a Skoda lovers' thread, and nobody seems to be reacting to my contrast between the BS that the fickle motoring press used to write about Skodas, and the resulting misguided snobbery of so many people (when a Skoda is perhaps an even better built car than any other marque in the VAG stable and certainly better value) and the fawning praise for the monstrous Evoque, just because it is cynically and expensively labelled 'Range Rover' . My biting criticism was levelled at the motoring press which panders to badge snobbery, but even now there are magazines where a long term Evoque has received criticism for someone banging their head when getting in the back doors! Really!!

We await delivery of a wonderful Yeti. Can't wait. No comparison.

Freelander 2 and Evoque (spelt correctly ) are largely an XC90. Both are still using Ford power plants and Volvo transmissions although that is changing. New 9 speed gearbox is interesting to work with lol

Td4 isn't a Ford engine, and as I understand from my friends at LR the majority being sold in the UK and the EU are diesels.

And isn't the Auto a Getrag box?

 

Whatever, it certainly has nothing to do with the Kuga.

Interesting thread, especially as I found myself on the horns of a "Yeti or Evoque" dilemma in January, before I was a member here.

 

Back then, I elicited the advice of the Mercedes-Benz Club forum, and by post #71 (!) I'd placed my order for the Yeti. Here's the thread for those that are interested in seeing how MB owners viewed the comparison: http://www.mbclub.co.uk/forums/general-discussion/145117-any-evoque-owners.html

No, and please read the whole of my posting. I haven't criticised anyone for testing what ever they like.

 

Where I am confused is why people are comparing the Yeti with any vehicle that costs twice as much.

You're right - my apologies, it was an unfair comment on my part.

 

I compared them because I looked at both (and a few quite different cars) when I was deciding what to replace the first Yeti with. Also on the list were the Jag XF (lovely but only the saloon at the time and I much prefer hatch or estate backs), the Infiniti G (plush and fast but no "fun"), the C350 estate (pretty good but didn't feel special) and the Volvo V60 AWD (dealer wouldn't let me try one!). Oh, and the Superb CR170 4x4 (nice but a bit big). I know traditionally people are meant to just try three or four of the same style car, but none of the other crossovers or 4x4s really appealed. I had a budget of about £40k for the new car but was happy spending less.

 

The Evoque competes with the likes of the X1, the Yeti competes with the CRV.  Why would any buyer be choosing between Evoque/Yeti or X1/CRV?

Because not everyone only looks at one segment when choosing a car. The Yeti and Evoque are (for about the third time) similar in size and similar to drive.

 

The platform for the Evoke is exactly the same as the Freelander 2. All the mechanical mountings are exactly the s

It was designed in house by JLR long after they had left the Ford fold, so I can't see why the connection with the Kuga, which is actually a US Ford design, not an EU Ford one.

I thought I'd read that there's only one shared panel - same platform, but not the same metalwork.

 

I'd actually not considered the Freelander for some reason, but I keep seeing them and thinking they're a rather nice shape. I think now I'd be more inclined to go for one of them than an Evoque, mostly for aesthetic reasons. I bet the view out is better too.

Interesting thread, especially as I found myself on the horns of a "Yeti or Evoque" dilemma in January, before I was a member here.

I was starting to think I was the only person who'd considered both!

Td4 isn't a Ford engine, and as I understand from my friends at LR the majority being sold in the UK and the EU are diesels.

And isn't the Auto a Getrag box?

 

Whatever, it certainly has nothing to do with the Kuga.

The DW12 is a Ford/PSA joint engine. The GTDi is the Ford 'Ecoboost' lump I think.

Not sure when both are being replaced but it's on the cards.

Well just got the monster back and I am happy as a yeti in the Himalayas!    

 

Not unhappy to see the back of the Evoque but it did its job and kept me mobile for the time the monster was in hospital (repair shop).

The rEvoke; a so called Range Rover that is no such thing. I have a Range Rover P38 (that works), a Disco 1 and a Yeti. given a free choice, I'll take the Yeti. Mainly down to fuel consumption, but I do love that DSG, and the others have ZF autoboxes

I tried to have a test in a rEvoke. I couldn't get in it. It's a footballers wife's car, like a Range Rover sport , also not a Range Rover, is a footballer's car. But they make LR loads of money.

Tuppy -

- Spot on with the "Footballer's Wife's car"! My boss has an Evoque. Even she (yes - a proper SWMBO!) reckons its the perfect Alderley Edge school run car. Fashion over function all through. And yes again, she does also live in Cheshire (but a different part!).

- Must say her Evoque has more room in the back than I'd imagined from the outside, a bit Tardis like even. Haven't measured the boot, but I have a suspicion you could get more in the Yeti boot? Which almost makes the comparison valid - but not quite.

- Yes they are indeed making JLR ££££s. So who can blame JLR for cashing in shamelessly on the RR image and charging what folk will willingly pay for them (as opposed to what they are worth!)? Especially if a large chunk of the dollars, yen and renimbi(sp?) from the huge numbers sold in export markets finds the way back to blighty and into the accounts of UK factory workers, and those who supply JLR from UK factories. Perhaps even increased investment in UK manufacturing is on the cards?* You could also say much the same about the RR Sport. Which when RR was still part of the Ford empire was claimed to be the most profitable model in the whole blue oval worldwide empire.

* You could say I'm something of a hypocrite, spouting this philosophy, when I drive either a Czech built or a German built car myself. You'd probably be right! But I say that doesn't or shouldn't stop me applauding JLR for exploiting a market that is clearly there, waiting to be exploited, and bringing at least some of the profits back to be circulated into the UK economy. Whatever you or I may think of the Evoque, I say well done Mr Tata for providing the inward investment that let it be built in the UK.

Would I want to swap my Yeti for an Evoque? Definitely not! One of the top 3 reasons I bought the Yeti was because "If you want to run a VAG car that's actually going to come close to living up to the VW brand image and advertising for reliability - then buy one with Skoda badges on it!" I think the jury is still out on what the reliability of 3-year old, sub-100k Evoques will turn out to be.

What are Evoque residuals like now? After the initial supply vs. demand nonsense (Echo of the first BMW Mini pattern? When used 6-monthers were going for more than list - because you could drive the used car away today) Compared to similar age Yeti residuals that is? That's always another of my top 5 reasons for choosing a particular car to buy with my own money. How much is it going to lose me? (I wasn't born in Yorkshire, but living there, a lot of the culture is infiltrating...)

For some odd reason, all the paragraphs I put into the above monolithic post - have disappeared when it is posted up! Yet are still there if I try to edit it. Strange?

So who can blame JLR for cashing in shamelessly on the RR image and charging what folk will willingly pay for them (as opposed to what they are worth!)?

 

Surely anything is worth what someone will pay for it. Thus an Evoque is worth the asking price to all the people who've bought one, and isn't to all the people who haven't.

Surely anything is worth what someone will pay for it. Thus an Evoque is worth the asking price to all the people who've bought one, and isn't to all the people who haven't.

Too true.

 

Value and worth have completely different meanings in this respect.

 

Worth is what someone will pay for it, value is what the sum of the parts are.

 

For me the gap between the two for the Evoque is huge with a lot of add ons that I don't want or need. For a lot of other people, those add ons are clearly worth the extra as they are selling in large amounts.

Aye - in a similar vein, I'd totally have a heated steering wheel and ventilated seats if they were available on the Yeti, but I bet a lot of people would resent the "hidden" cost if they were standard.