VRS specced to (or as close as possible to ) base GTI 5 door spec comes to £23,820 by the looks of it, 5 door Golf is £26,500.

 

Can't see if the Octavia has the power folding mirrors though and they're not an option. Also, I'm assuming the Octavia doesn't have the fancy red lighting on the interior door trim or footwell etc, and I don't think it has the auto parking brake.

 

So, about £2700 less for the similar specced Octavia. Personally, I don't see that as being enough in cash terms, but I accept that is a personal decision. The different finance deals - 0% Skoda & 6.3% VW - do work further in Skoda's favour though.

 

In my opinion, the Octavia will never be a Golf GTI (and I'm sure Skoda wouldn't put the two cars head to head) but some customers will make the comparison between the 2.0TSI VAG offerings because of the similarities. 

based on your responses its clear you dont listen and only read and understand what you want to understand v0n.

 

as you can cleary see

 

working on the online VW finance calc for the golf

 

£5k deposit

10000miles per year

golf GTi

£3800 extras

36month deal

 

monthly price £431........the Octavia with same figs would be around £300

 

so the MK3 is NOT GTi money, vRS list is £22990 and vw is £26500 so again NOT the same money!

 

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To compare and 'sale' price to a normal rrp is unfair. In your book once a product goes on sale at say 20% discount it must keep that discount forever....come on

Please stop calling it a sale price. It was the only price. It was never a sale. It's like DFS sale. It never ended. I posted the links to you.

 

 

There was no VAT free deal or 0% nation wide deal on vRS 2005-2007 so within reason and individual discount levels list price was paid. Fact

 

0% apr and VAT free are offers, offers are not normal selling prices. and they are sale prices. feel free to look back the offers when the mk2 first came out

 

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Do whatever you want, compare rrp to rrp, discount price to discount price or 0 vat to 0 vat and work out the price increase over 8 years to approx inflation rate and you will see a steady inflation increase.

 

£16k to 22k is not an inflation.

 

 

 

being selective with figures again. if £16 is discounted fig then the mk3 discounted fir is 20k. stop comparing discount with rrp to suit your own argument lol

 

16k to 20k over 8 years may well be close to standard inflation rises as £18k was release price back in 2005. sale prices kept it artficially low there after.

 

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I admit late on the vRS was a great deal with discount and vat free but in early years that just wasn't the case. It was near full price and plenty sold near full price. It isn't and can't believe many expect vat free to last forever.

 

But that "full" price wasn't en par with Golf GTI pricing.

 

 

nor is it now.....

 

Yeti_Man, on 18 Jul 2013 - 07:08, said:

Von - Comparing the heavily discounted price of a model coming to the end of its lifecycle with a ground up brand new model is unfair. Period.

 

You've seen the post. Not coming to the end of the cycle. At all times.

 

yes it was, the earlier 2008-2012 deals were due to ecominmic reasons trying to stimulate car sales! or maybe you missed that

 

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Having said that, Im not sure why people are then comparing to the new models RRP as its already available with over £3000 off on both the TDI and TSi DSG's at Drivethedeal. So the above arguement is even more unfair imo!

Drive the deal has also £3100 discount on GTI. By the time you spec vRS to match base GTI, the difference is few hundred quid. That's just not on.

 

look at the difference in monthly payments and you will see octy works out miles cheaper

 

 

as for being "right about this" all i have seen you do is be selective of what figures you want to use. compare prices on offers with full list prices and compare run out cars to new releases.. if you think its a good idea for skoda to sell the a fully loaded octy at £20k vs £25k for a golf your kidding yourself. granted it would be great for us looking to but on a new release it isnt going to happen, it didnt with the Mk1 or the mk2 so wont happen with the mk3. fine if you hold out you may get VAT free but lose the 0% or you make lose both or you may even be super lucky and get them both but not on a new car

 

compare like for like and you may convince some more people. but a golf at £430 a month and an octy at £300 is a big difference over 3 years, Fact! discount them both will mean they both go down by the same amount so the difference will always be there, no matter how you look at it.

 

the mk3 is dearer than the mk2, fact, we all know this but thats life and thats skodas stance and choice. work on list prices £18k to 23k in 8 years. or discounted 15k to 20k in 8 years its all the same and inflation rates wont be a mile away when building 18k to 23k, feel free to calculate it

that combient with lower tax, free service and better fuel ecomonmy you still think the mk3 is going to cost you so much more than the mk2?

 

 

 

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look at the difference in monthly payments and you will see octy works out miles cheaper

 

 

 

 

The GFV for the Octavia published on the other thread is so low that the payments don't work out as different as you think - Octavia gfv is only approx £9k compared to Golfs approx £13k.

Here's an example of finance figures for a 5 door Golf GTI compared to a vrs petrol hatch specced with the adaptive cruise etc to make it as close as possible as spec to the Golf. Both examples have a 10.5% discount off of list price and a £4k deposit, and are based on the real published GFV.

 

The Octavia would cost you £213.15 per month and the Golf would cost you £265.40 per month.

Here's an example of finance figures for a 5 door Golf GTI compared to a vrs petrol hatch specced with the adaptive cruise etc to make it as close as possible as spec to the Golf. Both examples have a 10.5% discount off of list price and a £4k deposit, and are based on the real published GFV.

 

The Octavia would cost you £213.15 per month and the Golf would cost you £265.40 per month.

 

Oh good info mate thanks i didnt have the GTV on the octavia, have they now been released? downside if i go for the golf id want different extras lol only downside it still adding upto around £2k

So you're expecting a brand new barely launched vehicle (as in last week) with their best most sporting engines, the one that's supposed to top their range (until L&K comes) for 17k?! Wow, can I have what you're smoking? It seems to be rather good. And if you think this car is Dacia with a spoiler (everyone's entitled to an opinion), then why don't you go buy said Dacia? I bet the version without a spoiler is even cheaper (maybe 5-6k, I haven't checked).

 

If you're a business and you offer 20% off for ever, your margins are going to be stupidly low. They aren't DFS, they're not selling couches (stupid comparison btw). Try and engineer a car with discounted sofa prices and tell me how it goes (and if you'd drive your family in one). Skoda isn't a Bugatti type brand and they can't afford selling cars at a loss, just to have that prestige brand within the corporate umbrella.

 

PS: If you're mildly interested in cars and haven't heard of Tata Nano (even as joke material)... well, I would highly suggest Google. It's your friend.

Oh good info mate thanks i didnt have the GTV on the octavia, have they now been released? downside if i go for the golf id want different extras lol only downside it still adding upto around £2k

Yeh, a Skoda dealer has posted the petrol Octavia gfv in the other thread - it's approx £9k.

With the Octavia you have high depreciation and no interest. With the golf you have higher interest but lower depreciation.

If it were my pcp money based on these figures, I'd go for the golf, but then I don't need the bigger car!

Yeh, a Skoda dealer has posted the petrol Octavia gfv in the other thread - it's approx £9k.

With the Octavia you have high depreciation and no interest. With the golf you have higher interest but lower depreciation.

If it were my pcp money based on these figures, I'd go for the golf, but then I don't need the bigger car!

 

thanks for the heads up This will sound daft but my golf spec and octavia spec differ, im not fussed about making the octy upto golf standards so alot of the options i want need to go on both and id want to change the wheels on the golf as i hate the standards, with it being available id want the performance pack so suddenly my spec for golf outweghs the Octy, all be it for different kit.

 

thats a personal isssue not for others to worry about just the wheels and performance back add £2k so extra £60 pm for my personal taste! lol

thanks for the heads up This will sound daft but my golf spec and octavia spec differ, im not fussed about making the octy upto golf standards so alot of the options i want need to go on both and id want to change the wheels on the golf as i hate the standards, with it being available id want the performance pack so suddenly my spec for golf outweghs the Octy, all be it for different kit.

 

thats a personal isssue not for others to worry about just the wheels and performance back add £2k so extra £60 pm for my personal taste! lol

Yeh, different people will want to do different things with spec, but after all the discussion about which car costs what, and which is the better value for money etc, I thought it worthwhile to post what I think is the fairest like for like comparison based on monthly pcp payments.

 

Personally, I like the standard wheels on the Golf; they're already big 18" things, and the 19" upgrade is something silly like £1500 isn't it!?!?!?

 

The performance pack will prob be a popular option, and I would have thought it would add more to the gfv that the wheels would do. That's the other thing to bear in mind of course; some options will add more money than others to the gfv (some will prob add next to nothing; the bigger wheels being a prime contender in my guess!). A good example here is the 5 door option; when you take the higher gfv of the 5 door car, the £500 for the extra doors doesn't look bad value as you get a decent chunk of it back.

 

So remember, my figures for the Golf are based on a completely standard car and that your GFV will creep up a little bit if you add extras, meaning your monthly payment won't jump up by quite as much as you might first think.

 

Bottom line though is that you lose a lot of money by adding certain extras so think carefully!

Edited 18 July, 201312 yr by sotonjoe

Yeh, different people will want to do different things with spec, but after all the discussion about which car costs what, and which is the better value for money etc, I thought it worthwhile to post what I think is the fairest like for like comparison based on monthly pcp payments.

 

Personally, I like the standard wheels on the Golf; they're already big 18" things, and the 19" upgrade is something silly like £1500 isn't it!?!?!?

 

The performance pack will prob be a popular option, and I would have thought it would add more to the gfv that the wheels would do. That's the other thing to bear in mind of course; some options will add more money than others to the gfv (some will prob add next to nothing; the bigger wheels being a prime contender in my guess!). A good example here is the 5 door option; when you take the higher gfv of the 5 door car, the £500 for the extra doors doesn't look bad value as you get a decent chunk of it back.

 

So remember, my figures for the Golf are based on a completely standard car and that your GFV will creep up a little bit if you add extras, meaning your monthly payment won't jump up by quite as much as you might first think.

 

Bottom line though is that you lose a lot of money by adding certain extras so think carefully!

 

Yip couldnt agree more, options are usually a waste and 90% wont change the GFV.

 

to be honest im not fussed with going to the 19in wheels just hate the standard 18s the golf GTi has lol.

 

to be honest the peformance pack would no doubt slip off as its not a must have for me. i have a very strict budget this car so may opt for less kit.

 

if i was paying £350 id go for S3 instead tbh but thats for another debate

just tried to configure one for myself, but seems like a lot of the options arent in there? wheres the parking sensors? coming in at £25645 for me so far, I priced a Golf at £30774 IIRC

just tried to configure one for myself, but seems like a lot of the options arent in there? wheres the parking sensors? coming in at £25645 for me so far, I priced a Golf at £30774 IIRC

I didnt think you could specify front sensors alone - it has to be via the parking pack thingamy bob which gives you them all round. Personally I think you'll see fronts become available seperately and maybe even standard cruise offered soonish 

GTi doesn't come in any interesting colours, all pretty bog standard middle aged Volkswagen owner colours. 

 

They also have the most awful seat trim imaginable so you HAVE to choose leather.

Edited 18 July, 201312 yr by Chronicbint

I'm sure Skoda like most manufacturers price their cars at what they think they can sell them for, and then allow a margin.

 

Yes the new Octavia is expensive compared to what it used to be, but Skoda are getting a better and better rep now so they can charge more.

 

Their sales have been growing and growing in this country and around europe so they will start to squeeze more out of people - this is business.

 

Personally I buy second hand and let other people who prefer the new car experience take the hit.

I didnt think you could specify front sensors alone - it has to be via the parking pack thingamy bob which gives you them all round. Personally I think you'll see fronts become available seperately and maybe even standard cruise offered soonish 

 

yeh, i think you're right. This foiled my attempts to spec a VRS to the same level as the base gti as I didn't think it a fair comparison to add on the full park assist pack to the vrs when the gti doesn't come with it. I think it's stupid not to offer the fronts as a standalone option, but I expect it's a conscious attempt to distance the two cars from one another and prevent people speccing them completely identically.

Incorrect Im afraid as I bought my brand new one in 2008 and very few research the market as extensively as I do before I decide where to put my hard earned cash.

I posted proof of prices in 2008-2012. It's right there, all you need to do is click. I really do not know what else I could do. If you paid more, that's you loss, but please my man - you are arguing against printed/published prices.

 

You come across as someone who believes they are right no matter what the majority say so its literally a pointless discussion with someone like you involved.

I'm sorry if you feel this way, especially considering I take my time to back up all my claims with hard facts. I don't do this for myself. I know all of what I post already. I point these things to help. Pointing price errors to Skoda is of benefit to everyone here. Discussing those errors is of benefit to everyone here. And what are you doing? You are trying to convince me, that I am wrong and Octavia vRS was always priced en par or close to Golf GTI. That's simply not the case. It never happened. It would never happen, they would never sell any and you know it. I backed up my pricing claims with links. Back up yours and we'll talk.

 

Oh and you've not taken into account that some consider the Octavia better value simply because its a bigger car for the same (or actually, less) money - if you have a family or need a lugger, this is a very important fact.

You know it's not how it works. Skoda is not a premium brand in UK. There was, is and always will be pecking order in VAG group and Skoda is always at the end of it. It's the "value" arm. It doesn't have Audi class, quality or tech, it doesn't have Volkswagen's badge, build quality and resale value it doesn't have Seats reversed baseball cap street cred. It's only purpose in the pecking order is to provide bang for buck. That's why it was instant hit with cabbies. And there is absolutely no reason to be ashamed of it. It always was, always will be "the next best thing". We drive Superbs, because it's the next best thing to A6 at half the money. We drive Octavias because it's next best thing to A4's at half price. Break the chain in pecking order and that job goes to Passats and Golfs. Because WTF wouldn't you have Golf Estate GT over Octavia Estate Elegance? You would really have to have a badge prejudice to pick the car with worse residuals and older tech. 

 

No a vRS is not a GTi - it's a bigger car but based on the same platform and with the same engine and gearbox. If you read the reviews it seems to drive very well for it's size and not that far behind a 'standard' (ie not performance pack) GTi.

It's hard to argue with people who have no experience of current British market, but basically, for whatever reason Skoda always had a stigma in this country. Quality and value of the offering dented this prejudice slightly, but the fact remains, "level play field" choice between Skoda and Volkswagen at the same or close-to price would be absolute no brainer to majority. This isn't like the rest of the world. Brits will not pay Ford prices for Kias, BMW prices for pimped up Toyota (I'm looking at you Lexus), they will not queue to buy Daewoos badged as Chevrolets at Opel/Vauxhall prices and they will not pick Skoda over Volkswagen if the price difference is evident enough for the former. And they shouldn't. It is a right order of things.

 

So you're expecting a brand new barely launched vehicle (as in last week) with their best most sporting engines, the one that's supposed to top their range (until L&K comes) for 17k?! Wow, can I have what you're smoking?

As you saw from links - that's what we get here. Every time new Octavia was launched, the true OTR price was always at least 20% cheaper than equivalent Golf. It's a fact. It's just the way it is. It couldn't be any other way. It might sound outrageous to someone from the abroad, but that's how British market works. Used cars have poor residuals, new prices are highly negotiable, pecking order is long established and Skoda really is not a brand to dictate those kind of prices. The fact you can spec an Octavia over £30k is a bit of a WTF moment.

The PCP and finance quoters, I'm not going there. We are not discussing how much you could have those cars for if you had no money to buy them. I won't be discussing finance based prices, because that has nothing to do with actual purchase price, value of the new car , and in many quoted cases even true ownership of it. OTR, from dealers right now, if you walked with a bag full of cash and ordered one, is the topic.

Edited 18 July, 201312 yr by v0n

GTi doesn't come in any interesting colours, all pretty bog standard middle aged Volkswagen owner colours. 

 

They also have the most awful seat trim imaginable so you HAVE to choose leather.

 

I think this is completely subjective! The GTI comes in the usual range of colours but without a bright yellow or green; but then since when have people purchased VWs in those colours. The Viper Green Scirocco is a case in point as there is talk on the Scirocco forums about some dealers refusing them in part ex as they don't think they will be able to shift them.

 

I'm surprised by your comments about the seat trim. It's the traditional tartan gti trim which has plenty of fans, and you really should have a feel of it for quality as it feels bloody nice! The leather looks an expensive waste of money in my opinion!

GTi doesn't come in any interesting colours, all pretty bog standard middle aged Volkswagen owner colours. 

 

They also have the most awful seat trim imaginable so you HAVE to choose leather.

Not sure the average VW customer wants bright, in your face colours tbh. And the tartan trim is the defining item of the GTI interior! FAr better quality seats than you will get in an Octavia Im afraid.

 

edit - didnt see above post!!

Can be as traditional as Yorkshire pudding but the trim is disgusting. Red, black or various shades of suit grey are pretty tedious for a hot hatch. Is a fairly tedious marque mind.

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Can be as traditional as Yorkshire pudding but the trim is disgusting. Red, black or various shades of suit grey are pretty tedious for a hot hatch. Is a fairly tedious marque mind.

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But thats your view, most of the GTI traditionalists love it.

I posted proof of prices in 2008-2012. It's right there, all you need to do is click. I really do not know what else I could do. If you paid more, that's you loss, but please my man - you are arguing against printed/published prices.

 

I'm sorry if you feel this way, especially considering I take my time to back up all my claims with hard facts. I don't do this for myself. I know all of what I post already. I point these things to help. Pointing price errors to Skoda is of benefit to everyone here. Discussing those errors is of benefit to everyone here. And what are you doing? You are trying to convince me, that I am wrong and Octavia vRS was always priced en par or close to Golf GTI. That's simply not the case. It never happened. It would never happen, they would never sell any and you know it. I backed up my pricing claims with links. Back up yours and we'll talk.

 

You know it's not how it works. Skoda is not a premium brand in UK. There was, is and always will be pecking order in VAG group and Skoda is always at the end of it. It's the "value" arm. It doesn't have Audi class, quality or tech, it doesn't have Volkswagen's badge, build quality and resale value it doesn't have Seats reversed baseball cap street cred. It's only purpose in the pecking order is to provide bang for buck. That's why it was instant hit with cabbies. And there is absolutely no reason to be ashamed of it. It always was, always will be "the next best thing". We drive Superbs, because it's the next best thing to A6 at half the money. We drive Octavias because it's next best thing to A4's at half price. Break the chain in pecking order and that job goes to Passats and Golfs. Because WTF wouldn't you have Golf Estate GT over Octavia Estate Elegance? You would really have to have a badge prejudice to pick the car with worse residuals and older tech. 

 

It's hard to argue with people who have no experience of current British market, but basically, for whatever reason Skoda always had a stigma in this country. Quality and value of the offering dented this prejudice slightly, but the fact remains, "level play field" choice between Skoda and Volkswagen at the same or close-to price would be absolute no brainer to majority. This isn't like the rest of the world. Brits will not pay Ford prices for Kias, BMW prices for pimped up Toyota (I'm looking at you Lexus), they will not queue to buy Daewoos badged as Chevrolets at Opel/Vauxhall prices and they will not pick Skoda over Volkswagen if the price difference is evident enough for the former. And they shouldn't. It is a right order of things.

 

As you saw from links - that's what we get here. Every time new Octavia was launched, the true OTR price was always at least 20% cheaper than equivalent Golf. It's a fact. It's just the way it is. It couldn't be any other way. It might sound outrageous to someone from the abroad, but that's how British market works. Used cars have poor residuals, new prices are highly negotiable, pecking order is long established and Skoda really is not a brand to dictate those kind of prices. The fact you can spec an Octavia over £30k is a bit of a WTF moment.

The PCP and finance quoters, I'm not going there. We are not discussing how much you could have those cars for if you had no money to buy them. I won't be discussing finance based prices, because that has nothing to do with actual purchase price, value of the new car , and in many quoted cases even true ownership of it. OTR, from dealers right now, if you walked with a bag full of cash and ordered one, is the topic.

 

can you post 2005-2007 figures?

You would really have to have a badge prejudice to pick the car with worse residuals and older tech. 

 

 

 thats only true if it was out of date tech, most of the car is same tech the current golf has. some slightly older but not in a way that would stop people buying it. its moved on from the mk2 and is now pretty similar to the Golf (satnav, heated screen, seats, engine, climate ncap) granted audi and vw tend to get the pick of the best stuff but you cant claim skoda is uptodate.

and as for badges, i like the cars i like, i dont and never have picked on badge. residuals within reason but i enjoy owning and using whatever car i buy. im not starting to pic vw just because of its badge. so what if the cost difference has gone down to 14% between the too compared to your seemingly holy grail of 20%. if you can afford both, pick the one you like best and the one that suits your needs the best......surely?

 

Here's an example of finance figures for a 5 door Golf GTI compared to a vrs petrol hatch specced with the adaptive cruise etc to make it as close as possible as spec to the Golf. Both examples have a 10.5% discount off of list price and a £4k deposit, and are based on the real published GFV.

 

The Octavia would cost you £213.15 per month and the Golf would cost you £265.40 per month.

 

These look like reasonable figures based on the brand / badge snobbery involved, if my calculations are correct the golf is £52.25 p.m..more.( is it REALLY that much better, I suppose only driving them back to back would tell for the individual concerned ). 

But i cant see over how many months, along with final value at the end of term. Looking at these final figures would allow you to look at whether this price difference is worth it to you personally.

 

There is one really important , not thought about, point missing from all this discussion about cost - Dealer Service & not just the 'bend over backwards' assistance to get you to buy the car, what about after you drive away, & the salesman is no longer interested, where you get problems & the whole experience goes sour.

Just look at the real world JD power surveys of reliability & dealer experience as a whole is a VW really worth the premium ?

 

Personally not the approx £2300 that the GTi is more than the vRS.

Personally I think a lot of people would rather have a "Golf GTI" over a SKoda, if the difference is only £50 per month.

The Skoda may be a more practical car, but the Golf has better spec and a lot more street cred with the uninitiated.

 

If people didn't care about the badge you wouldn't see loads and loads of base spec Audi on the roads with worse spec than Skodas, but higher prices.

These look like reasonable figures based on the brand / badge snobbery involved, if my calculations are correct the golf is £52.25 p.m..more.( is it REALLY that much better, I suppose only driving them back to back would tell for the individual concerned ).

But i cant see over how many months, along with final value at the end of term. Looking at these final figures would allow you to look at whether this price difference is worth it to you personally.

There is one really important , not thought about, point missing from all this discussion about cost - Dealer Service & not just the 'bend over backwards' assistance to get you to buy the car, what about after you drive away, & the salesman is no longer interested, where you get problems & the whole experience goes sour.

Just look at the real world JD power surveys of reliability & dealer experience as a whole is a VW really worth the premium ?

Personally not the approx £2300 that the GTi is more than the vRS.

I agree with boss fox above tbh. I'd be amazed if the vast majority of people didn't say they'd prefer the golf's drive over the Octavia if they are looking for excitement. At £50 a month extra, most people would probably try and make the stretch. That is of course unless there are reasons why they need the Octavia ... Bigger boot etc.