VRS replacement?

[nicknameless]

A3 TDI 170?

 

mmm - decent shout but stretching my budget slightly

 

p.s. done the audi thing before and cost me a small fortune in upkeep

Edited 13 August, 2013 by nicknameless

[joe_vrs_tdi]

And when everything fails on it, 2.0 pd170 is the worst vag deisel engine ever.

[XLBaconDoubleCheese]

Exactly what I was about to say. When we were hunting for my mates new Octavia vRS I asked a few Audi & VAG master techs about the CR vs the PD and they all said they wouldnt touch a PD170. Twinned with the few people I know who have had/have a PD170 they have all spent a fortune fixing them. If you cant get the CR170 then dont bother. 

[joe_vrs_tdi]

Yer my mates a3 has been a nightmare. Now the cr170 seems great and some tuners are pushing the tuning on them.

[J3NK0]

That leon look sweet. not a fan of the interior.  Reminds me of inside a EP Civic. Horrible.

[vRSAnt]

Its difficult, I've been through this but my vRS has kept strong and remained fun, so I haven't jumped (yet)

Now imagine my dilemma, at some point (hopefully) I think am likely to be offered quite a new Octy 1.8TSi.....

 

Bear in mind also this will probably not for a lot of money either because it will be trade in value on them getting a new car and TBH the dealers really aren't that keen on giving you much in trade, its normally £3K less than the actual forecost price IME.. being family it.might even get it given to me on a platter !!

 

But....I think I will still want to keep hold of my vRS despite this ! Its just such a cracking car !

Plus I'm likely to be given opportunity of a 1.8 VVT MG as well (again for nothing this time) !

Think to be honest it will be too much and sadly something will have to go as we haven't (yet) got driveway or garage space......so.......

wifes 1.2 HTP maybe

[grr666]

I did actually mean the 2.0 CR, didn't even know there was

a PD 170. Guys on Audi sport getting some very respectable

numbers from the CR engine.

[stuart vrs]

everybody has got a different take on the fabia vrs, i've had mine for over a year and i am happy with the performance and economy my car is giving to me, mileage is 136k on an 06 plate, atm i have clocked 400 miles on half a tank and i'm pushing to break my all time best of 560 miles on a full tank with 70 left, so for me its perfect and cheap to service and work on (non mechanic). gives me when needed a chance to stretch her legs up the a-roads on my way home, for me it's a win, win, win.  happy motoring.

[kevberlin]

Keep your VRS and treat it to some tasteful improvements if you feel the need.

For me, the VRS is a bit like the original Mk1 Golf GTI. ...........Unique

[CitigoAllen]

If you could stetch a bit more (given the 0% offer) you could get a Skoda Citigo Sport or Elegance.  Petrol with good MPG and no bloody Dual Mass Flywheel to worry about) and a much nicer higher tech cabin than the dull Mk1 Fabia.  Not as fast, but everyone says loads of fun.

Edited 14 August, 2013 by CitigoAli

[wilsy7]

The leons are nice with the kit but just too common. They are everywhere. Plus most in a leon whether its a cupra or an ecomotive seem to drive like morons lol

[Ryy.P]

i'm in the same boat about my vrs, but i've decided corsa vxr nurburgring is the next choice for me. Obviously i have different circumstances and not bothered about the fuel economy! I've looked into the leons but the interior lets them down so much. :(  unless it is the newer model which then brings to mind the price which then i would consider a golf or an audi. Lets be fair, both the golf and a3 have way better interiors and still the looks! 

[ajs_vrs]

Do the diesel sports 07 seat leon's have the bad/unreliable engine?

 

ie the 2.0 diesels?

[redcupraboy]

I'm currently umming and aahing about getting the Darkside budget kit fitted GTB1756v or do I strip the car and get something else............... But really struggling to find what else bar a vw golf 5dr gt sport 2.0 TDI.

DECISIONS lol. Help.

Bearing in mind with a new clutch and fitment it's 3k cost wise to the above.

Guessing the engines in the 2.0 are prone to DPF issues.

[XLBaconDoubleCheese]

140 has no dpf, 170 does. 

 

Do the diesel sports 07 seat leon's have the bad/unreliable engine?

 

ie the 2.0 diesels?

 

anything up to 2008(ish) is the PD engine, after that it's the better CR

[vRSAnt]

Ryy.P, VXR nice choice, they are very nice looking motors, good substitute or upgrade from a vRS I would say (having seen the guys race these things, oh and the Monaros too. They look cool and can shift some too)

 

"Lets be fair, both the golf and a3 have way better interiors and still the looks!"

Err...beg to differ on the latter point, the first part about interior perhaps may ring more true

Sorry but on style though the latter are very bland - you just can't compare your idea of a stylish Astra VXR to a bland A3 or Golf for the same money

But the VXR interiors are extremely lavish too - way better than anything German I've seen.

 

Don't believe the hype !

[mattvrestate]

140 has no dpf, 170 does

anything up to 2008(ish) is the PD engine, after that it's the better CR

The CR engines are not better.

The PDs had problems with the 2.0tdi's 140 heads/ flywheels/ turbos etc + the 170 pd DPF issues and injectors (replaced goodwill) but the CRs have all the same DPF problems as the PDs plus EGR cooler problems and metal filings in the fuel from the fuel pumps collapsing. They also have weaker injectors and are more delicate. For example if say petrol is put in instead of diesel in a PD a quick fuel flush + fresh diesel + your away. With a CR if its been run you need a full set of injectors + fuel lines! CR are also less tunable than any of the PD engines :(

Stick to 1.9pd BXE engine and your laughing .. not happy with the power get a GTB darkside turbo bolted on

Edited 15 August, 2013 by mattvrestate

[mattvrestate]

Ryy.P, VXR nice choice, they are very nice looking motors, good substitute or upgrade from a vRS I would say (having seen the guys race these things, oh and the Monaros too. They look cool and can shift some too)

"Lets be fair, both the golf and a3 have way better interiors and still the looks!"

Err...beg to differ on the latter point, the first part about interior perhaps may ring more true

Sorry but on style though the latter are very bland - you just can't compare your idea of a stylish Astra VXR to a bland A3 or Golf for the same money

But the VXR interiors are extremely lavish too - way better than anything German I've seen.

Don't believe the hype !

My m8s got am astra VXR and i work at VW and have worked at Audi.

I can safely say the VXR as nice as it looks on the outside the interior plastics are tacky and cheap :(

The golf interior is bland on most models except the ed30 :love: and the a3 is very cramped compared to all the other mk5 golf platform cars.. the interior plastics of the mk2 leon are a let down but the seats in the cupra + FR are really nice .. so unfortunately there isnt a clear choice really.

If u want 5 doors but good looking (outside) get the mk2 leon

If u want quality interior + not bothered about space get the a3

If ur wanting a good all rounder that will hold its value better than the rest get a mk5 golf.

Enginewise if u want a diesel get the BXE 1.9tdi 105bhp PD

If u want speed + high tax etc get the 200bhp GTI engine or the 240bhp ed30/ cupra R engine

Edit: just realised u wer on about the Corsa VXR not Astra.. same plastic crap but :love: the recaros

Edited 15 August, 2013 by mattvrestate

[Guest BigJase88]

I think seat got a little lost with the mk2 leon!

Looks tall and fugly to me

They are certainly back on track with the mk3 leon!

Would love a 183 fr tdi

[XLBaconDoubleCheese]

The CR engines are not better.

The PDs had problems with the 2.0tdi's 140 heads/ flywheels/ turbos etc + the 170 pd DPF issues and injectors (replaced goodwill) but the CRs have all the same DPF problems as the PDs plus EGR cooler problems and metal filings in the fuel from the fuel pumps collapsing. They also have weaker injectors and are more delicate. For example if say petrol is put in instead of diesel in a PD a quick fuel flush + fresh diesel + your away. With a CR if its been run you need a full set of injectors + fuel lines! CR are also less tunable than any of the PD engines :(

Stick to 1.9pd BXE engine and your laughing .. not happy with the power get a GTB darkside turbo bolted on

I'm aware of the issues around mis-fuelling but I'd not personally consider than normal use. (Although yes, I was stupid enough to do it in my Fabia ) Tuning hasn't gone very far with a CR engine either, be it down to how old they are or just that they aren't much more tunable I don't know.

However, from what two separate vag master techs said, the pd engine had the dpf shoehorned on to get it through emissions, masses of them having issues. The cr was designed to have a dpf from the start therefore suffers with less issues with it, have they told me porkies? Egr cooler & metal filings are the first I've heard of with the cr engines but I'll keep it in mind if the owners I know have issues. Aside from the various techies warning us against a pd170, the people I know with them have spent £££££ keeping them running which tallied up with the techs advice.

[mattvrestate]

The EGR cooler issue is present on 99% of all CR engines within the 1st 40k. And the pd170 (minus DPF) are considered more reliable than the pd140.. we've had alot of heads cracking on the pd140s :(..

Although the general rule of thumb is if u get a PD stay clear of any of the 2.0 tdi twin cam lumps lol.

The Mastertechs will have been right about what they have witnessed.. but how long ago did they speak to you? Because Skoda hasnt had the CR as long as VW and we generally find the issues then a couple of years later the engines are used in Skoda's with some of the issues ironed out

Also at skoda they will have dealt with alot more pd170s with the octy VRS being common.. We see less of them as they are only really in a few golf GTs as most were 140s.

If u get a DPF delete on the pd 170 you will get rid of 90% of the problems. They also have the single cam head which is stronger .

[XLBaconDoubleCheese]

One master tech was at Audi, the other a independent specialist. I know the latter has had several A4 pd170 motors in with the engine in pieces. That said, you're right about the CR bring newer, time will tell in that respect I guess. My mate went for a CR Octavia vrs so I'll expect an egr fault as he is only on 25,000 miles

Thanks for the detailed response, I understand it all a bit better now.

[mattvrestate]

The B7 A4s had an very common issue with the 2.0tdi 140 + 170 engines where the spur gear oil pump failed. Causing no oil pressure + if driven caused engines to seize up etc.

This was only on B7 A4s and very early 3C passats.. there was a recall for the spur gears but if that wasnt done soon enough the engines failed.

The golf/ octavia/ a3/ leon didnt have this problem as the engine is different.

The engine code for the 170 pd for mk5 golfs/ mk2 ctavias/ mk2 leons/ a3s is BMN. The A4s have a diff engine code and are longitudinal instead of transverse like the mk5 golf etc. The BMN engines have the injector recall and some DPF issues (mainly sensors) and the usual PD dual mass flywheel issues but other than that are an ok engine.

[Ryy.P]

Sorry lads my post may have sempt misleading. I was trying to say the leon has bland interior, wasnt meaning to bring vxr into the equation Golf Gtd has a lovely interior especially with the full touchscreen and climate control! But the cupra does have sexy seats