As above, what DPF problems?

Now done 71k miles and hardly ever notice a regeneration.

 

Servicing on the diesels seems very cheap; first at 18k was less than £150, 36k was a bit more, 55k was more but included Haldex oil and brake fluid change. Has never exceeded £300. As a comparison, my Freelander at a local independent, would cost me around £160 each 12k, and I was too frightened to ask what a main dealer would cost!

 

I was thinking more about servicing after warranty period when something breaks.

LPG:

You must be joking?? Hardly anywhere sells it now, it takes up too much room in the boot, and it is nearly as expensive as petrol!

 

do they even offer LPG for TSI engines???

I have read somehere that makes no sense  economically as system uses both fuel at the same time plus it's very expensive.

DMF issues are more appropriate to the PD engine which produces most of it's torque low down, where as the CR engine's max torque starts relatively higher in the rev range so as long as you don't boot it from very low revs (which is pointless anyway) you shouldn't have any DMF issues. As far as your specific question is concerned I would say the CR engine is more bullet proof because any issues tend to be with the ancillary items, not the actual engine with most DPF problems being sensor related rather than the DPF itself. I'd speak to the dealer to see if your driving pattern is suitable for the CR and go from there.

 

Taxi drivers tend to go for the CR which says a lot for it's reliability and running costs

Zorro, what type of off-roading are you thinking of doing?

We're missing the key point. When you say bulletproof... .22 or .457?

Edited 3 September, 201312 yr by StevesTruck

Zorro, what type of off-roading are you thinking of doing?

 

nothing heavy, something like this:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuo4LOsIG8g

 

and this:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRAQZ-BNjhM

 

 

maybe a little bit like this too:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-qbCYE1G1E

Cant resist jumping in and asking a couple of questions.

 

I know diesels are generally noisy but is the noise noticeable mainly at idlling/lower speeds or does one notice the noise even at motorway speeds? Is the 1.8TSI significantly quieter?

 

Which is more fun to drive, the 2.0TDI 140hp with its higher peak torque or the 1.8TSI with lower torque but spread over a much wider rpm band?

I have had sort of problems with the DPF in that the one fitted to my Yeti hates cold weather, resulting in regeneration overdrive. However I think I've fixed it by fitting a Heko lower front grill cover in the winter months.

 

Choice wise I'd prefer the petrol but I need economy and the higher Car Tax and increased depreciation of the petrol make it unrealistic an ownership proposition.

 

 

TP

The only thing to remember is that you need to warm a diesel motor up before driveing off usually 3/4 minutes

 

Diesels only warm up significantly when under load - sitting idling for 3-4 minutes when the engine is cold will cause much more wear than driving off at a sensible rate.

DPF issues are a nightmare across all makes and models, so I find it hard to belive Fox's argument above.  This has even featured on BBC Watchdog.  There is also the Dual Mass flywheel.  With these in most cases it is a matter of when they go, not if.  Then the fuel injectors are also fragile.  Get the petrol and get it converted to LPG.

The real serious headline DPF issues are on older models.  Time has marched on, designs improve, electronics improve and reliability is much improved as a result.  I had fears about DPF but put them behind me when I switched from 1.8TSi to 1.6TDi.  I have so far detected 2 regens in the 3.5k miles I have had the diesel.  Before I changed I asked a colleague at work if she had any DPF problems with her Yeti Greenline - cue vacant look!!

 

BTW The 1.8TSi also has a DMF, and also injects fuel direct into the cylinders through high pressure injectors and as a result it can't be converted to LPG.

BTW The 1.8TSi also has a DMF, and also injects fuel direct into the cylinders through high pressure injectors and as a result it can't be converted to LPG.

 

That's interesting, I thought that only diesels had DMF's. This was one of the main reasons I'm getting a new car, as my Accord has done almost 100k and I don't want to be hit for £1k+ on a new clutch and DMF (list price for just a clutch on my car is £850!)

I really wish there was a website that gave you the details of all the specifications of the different Yeti models, including the mechanical stuff.

Edited 4 September, 201312 yr by fastestlouigie

Zorro,

 

This is several members from this forum green laning in Surrey:

 

 

My Yeti often gets used on rally special stages, as I am a Rally Safety Radio operator, as are several other members here.

I got hooked on that video while I was waiting for Annie .  Always good to watch again

Zorro,

 

This is several members from this forum green laning in Surrey:

 

 

My Yeti often gets used on rally special stages, as I am a Rally Safety Radio operator, as are several other members here.

 

thanks, great video - that's kinda offroading I am interested in too. I guess you all had off-road package.

I thought that only diesels had DMF's.

 

They're becoming more common on petrol engines, too.  I believe a number of the more recent BMW petrol engines have DMFs (someone will no doubt correct me if I'm wrong).

 

Diesels only warm up significantly when under load - sitting idling for 3-4 minutes when the engine is cold will cause much more wear than driving off at a sensible rate.

 

I'm glad someone picked up on this ridiculous "advice" - saved me the effort.

Zorro,

Not sure about them, but I don't have the Off Road button or Rough Road Pack on mine and have never had a problem.

 

Previous expeditions:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/158333-yeti-adventure-wales/page-5?hl=+yeti%20+welsh%20+adventure

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/248011-mid-wales-meet-saturday-22nd-september-elan-valley/

 

And some advice on where you can go:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/266099-yetis-and-green-lanes/

We're missing the key point. When you say bulletproof... .22 or .457?

.555 Nitro Express ;-o

The DPF issue is why some Dealerships get you to sign a document just to say that the Vehicle was explained to you,

before you buy one.

(These came about at the time Vehicles/Engines went from Euro 4 Emissions to Euro 5, due to the amount of customers coming back complaining about the new Diesel they bought & the DPF issues,)

 

Not necessarily saying Skoda Dealerships, but Skoda Dealerships have done this.

As many Renualt, Peugeot, Citroen, Fiat, VW, Audi etc etc have had to.

European Manufacturers Heavy OIl Use Systems do seem to have more Issues than some Heavy OIl Engines/DPF systems from the manufacturers from the Rest of the World.

 

They (Salespeople) should explain that where being used almost exclusively or as a norm as a short run town car, or where you might often sit with the engine running while stationary.

Now that can be the likes of as a Taxi, Maybe a car you use for a Hobby like Radio Control sitting at Motorsport events and engine running, maybe just regularly sitting in winter waiting for the other half engine and heater on.

 

The point is that the Owner/Driver needs to be aware of where issues might arise.

 

An Economic Diesel for Travelling that can lose all that economy when it does Regeneration and just burns fuel to do its thing and make heat, and the good MPG that was achieved is just gone in an amount of fuel wasted.

A Problem, An Issue to consider or just a Feature of these Green & Economic Engine & Emission types. Call it what you want.

 

george

The DPF issue is why some Dealerships get you to sign a document just to say that the Vehicle was explained to you,

before you buy one.

(These came about at the time Vehicles/Engines went from Euro 4 Emissions to Euro 5, due to the amount of customers coming back complaining about the new Diesel they bought & the DPF issues,)

 

........................

An Economic Diesel for Travelling that can lose all that economy when it does Regeneration and just burns fuel to do its thing and make heat, and the good MPG that was achieved is just gone in an amount of fuel wasted.

A Problem, An Issue to consider or just a Feature of these Green & Economic Engine & Emission types. Call it what you want.

 

george

 

yeah, I wonder why all that pseudo ecological effort goes in wrong directions - instead of making more economical engines to burn less fuel and oil thus producing less pollutions - they're coming up with

questionable filters which in the end make sense only to whoever produce them...   Almost same situation as in today's medicine, they're trying to fix the illness not the cause.

yeah, I wonder why all that pseudo ecological effort goes in wrong directions...

Don't really understand this. But if you're saying what I think you're saying then ultimately it's you and me to blame.

For car makers, they're doing their best to respond to regulations (eg particulate emissions hence the DPF), which are set by politicians, who are elected by you and me. (Medicine is a bit further OT, but the same applies. You can't really blame the medics - they're doing their best to fix ill people, but also to advise on how to live a healthy lifestyle. But if you and me refuse to listen and to change our ways then realistically what more can 'they' do?)

Automotive Engineering & Technology, Fuel Emissions, Filters, Costs, effectiveness & Reliability is not Rocket Science,

just Personal Transport Carbon Fuels energy and pollution Science.

 

Some Manufacturers meet Legislation & Requirements and meet the spirit and Aims and design proper systems.

Some just put together what they can get away with and the Regulator Bodies & the Customers will put up with.

 

So EU Rules and EU Manufacturers might be the worst offenders for doing just what they need to.

Leave out the Spare Wheel & any options that customers will fit, on the vehicle tested, then sell the parts as an option.

ie Cheat on Emissions, by cheating on the Unladen weight as tested, Theory & Actual as the car will be driven on the road and used.

Accepted as the norm by EU Legislators.

 

One thing that VAG do is Advertise MPG, and are proud to boast on Economy and Greeness.,

then will tell customers that engine oil used at a rate of

0.5 litres for 1000 km covered is acceptable.

Fit ECO tyres to get the Emission or MPG figures and then these tyres last less miles and need replaced more often,

more resources wasted, customer pays more in the long run.

Well that is not very Green or showing concern for the Environment IMO.

It is just  taking the Pith out of VAG customers and the rest of the population of this world. IMHO.

 

george

Some just put together what they can get away with and the Regulator Bodies & the Customers will put up with.

That's always going to be the case - it's called life. Individual customers can't do much about this other than boycott a brand that's perceived to be bending the rules. But that ain't going to happen, in part because no-one is really going to have enough detailed facts to make a good decision. So it's down to the regulators, who are ultimately controlled by us, which in turn needs a better-informed electorate.

Edited 7 September, 201312 yr by prodata

It does happen tho, people move away from VAG products.

The surveys start to show real life on Reliability & Customer Satisfaction.

They drop down the tables.

 

The public find out that no matter what the advertising like

 'If everything in life was as reliable as a Golf'.  it was not very truthful.

 

Toyota get a bad Rep, but do the Proper Recalls and they get the media coverage.

 

VAG do or have done the 3 Monkeys, or act like an Emu, for a long time now.

no admission to faults or no recalls.

but when forced by the Internet letting the general public know, & they have to act.

China and Australia and VW as an example.

 

With Huyndia/Kia it happened in Canada over fuel claims. 

In the UK with Audi Advertising there was a case for action to be taken.

Mazda in North America had to accept the High OIl usage problem with Rotary Engines and extend Warranties.

 

Manufacturers treating Customers like Mushrooms (Kept in the Dark & shovelled with sh,!t) has to stop now because the Web catches them out.

 

george

Manufacturers treating Customers like Mushrooms (Kept in the Dark & shovelled with sh,!t) has to stop now because the Web catches them out.

 

george

 

that's interesting and weird too that not all manufactures understand yet the power of internet...

They do need to get their acts together now. because 'the times they are a-changing'. (Bob Dylan)

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/287719-greenline-ii-spare-wheel

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/62383/german-cars-among-worst-engine-failures