Got a choice of 3 cars to replace my 3 year old 1.6tdi Octavia 2 all about the same price.

1. A1.6tdi elegance dsg ex demo with 6.5k on the clock

2. A 2.0 tdi elegance manual ex demo with 7.5k on the clock

3. A 1.6 tdi elegance manual brand new but in the system.

I have been happy with my Octavia 2 and a very keen to get good mpg so that's important. Did like the idea of a DSG but having never owned an auto am a little worried about this.

Any ideas and feed back would be great.

Got a choice of 3 cars to replace my 3 year old 1.6tdi Octavia 2 all about the same price.

1. A1.6tdi elegance dsg ex demo with 6.5k on the clock

2. A 2.0 tdi elegance manual ex demo with 7.5k on the clock

3. A 1.6 tdi elegance manual brand new but in the system.

I have been happy with my Octavia 2 and a very keen to get good mpg so that's important. Did like the idea of a DSG but having never owned an auto am a little worried about this.

Any ideas and feed back would be great.

 

Hi Mark,

 

I'd personally go for the 2.0 Tdi all day long - performance mixed with efficiency - I'm not a fan of Auto's and the 1.6 while being very economical does not have the power (sorry 1.6 owners!)

 

Regards

 

Richie

I would go for anything without DSG!

Whatever VAG says (which they MUST say, or they face a lot of issues with recall requests) that gearbox

is not finally developed yet!

That is my opinion! Prove me wrong if you wish... 

As for 2) or 3) (sorry, hit the enter key too fast...   ) I can't argue against Richie because I have no experience of either engine,

but to me it would also be a matter of a new car which you can drive in "nicely" and knows how it has been handled, vs a perhaps

much nicer engine but a car which most likely has been driven hard! (It's a demo...)

If that matters or not...? Well...

I would go for anything without DSG!

Whatever VAG says (which they MUST say, or they face a lot of issues with recall requests) that gearbox

is not finally developed yet!

That is my opinion! Prove me wrong if you wish... 

Seems no one likes the DSG then?

There are lots of DSG fans on here, but most are still in warranty, or replace their cars before the warranty expires.

 

The DSG is a good auto, but they are expensive if they fail, especially when you have to the bear the cost.

 

I too would avoid the 1.6 TDi CR105 as it doesn't have quite enough grunt for me, but if you have one today and are happy with it then take the improved fuel economy again!

 

Personally the 2.0 TDi CR140 manual would get my vote any day!

I do and I love it (DSG) and if it weren't so close price wise between the Elegance & vRS I would have probably stayed with the Elegance, but I fancied the vRS this time around & it was only just £900 to find to do it.

The DSG Box is better than sliced bread

 

 

 

The End

Anything is better than sliced bread. 

There are lots of DSG fans on here, but most are still in warranty, or replace their cars before the warranty expires.

 

The DSG is a good auto, but they are expensive if they fail, especially when you have to the bear the cost.

 

I too would avoid the 1.6 TDi CR105 as it doesn't have quite enough grunt for me, but if you have one today and are happy with it then take the improved fuel economy again!

 

Personally the 2.0 TDi CR140 manual would get my vote any day!

So does everyone agree not a good gearbox to have once the warranty has run out?

(i) Splutter, froth, and gnashing of teeth.

The 1.6 CR is perfect with the DSG..................................Absolutly no more power is required..........................with the DSG.

but

(ii) Get an extended opportunity to try the 7 speed dry DSG.

Its only foible is in slow speed manouvering work, especially reversing,it is very very difficult to properly control, especially on a slope, even without the, apparently not uncommon, software "glitchs"

I am unsure whether the dry DSG was a bridge too far, or is still a work in progress, or indeed may prove to be an evolutionary dead end.

Good and all as the wet 6 speed was, though at the expense of fuel economy.

btw

Could this be why VW have introduced a wet 7 speed, and presumably it is/has to be more economical than the origional 6 speed was

Regards,

Marcus

(i) Splutter, froth, and gnashing of teeth.

The 1.6 CR is perfect with the DSG..................................Absolutly no more power is required..........................with the DSG.

but

(ii) Get an extended opportunity to try the 7 speed dry DSG.

Its only foible is in slow speed manouvering work, especially reversing,it is very very difficult to properly control, especially on a slope, even without the, apparently not uncommon, software "glitchs"

I am unsure whether the dry DSG was a bridge too far, or is still a work in progress, or indeed may prove to be an evolutionary dead end.

Good and all as the wet 6 speed was, though at the expense of fuel economy.

btw

Could this be why VW have introduced a wet 7 speed, and presumably it is/has to be more economical than the origional 6 speed was

Regards,

Marcus

Marcus

Has yours been good, would you buy DSG again, what sort of mpg has it given you, any problems with it and what sort of mileage has yours done so far?

So does everyone agree not a good gearbox to have once the warranty has run out?

 

Out off the Brazzillion boxes that have been produced how many have failed.

 

Mine is Two and a half years old and a DSG and because I don't like the new Vrs I'll be keeping mine for a good few years yet, it's been flawless 

 

Would I have another, well,yes Tomorrow.

 

 

 

The End

Everyone says about the DSG-7 being a bit of a sod to use when manoeuvring backwards or up a slope, well I would say that's complete & utter BS for the first one as mine was a complete joy to park, as for reversing up a slope, there maybe a tad of truth to it, in that it could be described as a "Dark Art" to getting it to do it, but once mastered it was easy, it wasn't as difficult as dieseldogg suggests, just the subtle use handbrake with a little extra finesse on the throttle.

As a 54 year old farmers son with a tad of engineering gumption.

I will stand over what I stated.

Yes millions in use.

However mine is one, BUT not the only one, with a persistent, re-occuring software fault that over 50,000 miles and 3 years Skoda have been unable to rectify.

Despite having our car from 31st Jan until the 1st of May last year.

Yes

3 full elapsed months.

Skoda replaced,in turn.

Mechatronic unit.

2nd mechatronic unit

clutch pack

then in desperation the entire transmission.

From the day and hour the car left the workshop, it displayed exactly the same fault.

Which is recorded as a fault code, each and every time.

A "gateway" fault/ intermittent signal or somesuch.

WHICH results in the car dropping out of gear, despite the throttle position demanding 2000 to 2500 revs.

If you persist in arguing about something you no nothing about I can only suggest you do some homework first.

I have a very reputable independent engineer confirm, in writing, and at some considerable cost, that which I had been telling Skoda all along.

Mate!

OH

PS

You want to inspect my parked up Ford Galaxy with 250,000 miles of farming, heavy trailer towing and reversing, self-build housebuilding and teaching waeans to drive.

Bought new in 1998.

All on the as yet still fitted, and not in the least slipping  origional clutch.

And radiator

and head gasket.

i.e.

As I said I got a modicum of engineering (and driving) gumption.

Mate!

Edited 15 September, 201312 yr by dieseldogg

But no hard feelings

eh!

Oh!

As I have stated ad infinitum

I like the car!

and

I absolutly do not have a knife into Skoda.

I would and probably will buy another Skoda.

Edited 15 September, 201312 yr by dieseldogg

But no hard feelings

eh!

Oh!

As I have stated ad infinitum

I like the car!

and

I absolutly do not have a knife into Skoda.

I would and probably will buy another Skoda.

But a manual I bet.

As a 54 year old farmers son with a tad of engineering gumption.

I will stand over what I stated.

Yes millions in use.

However mine is one, BUT not the only one, with a persistent, re-occuring software fault that over 50,000 miles and 3 years Skoda have been unable to rectify.

Despite having our car from 31st Jan until the 1st of May last year.

Yes

3 full elapsed months.

Skoda replaced,in turn.

Mechatronic unit.

2nd mechatronic unit

clutch pack

then in desperation the entire transmission.

From the day and hour the car left the workshop, it displayed exactly the same fault.

Which is recorded as a fault code, each and every time.

A "gateway" fault/ intermittent signal or somesuch.

WHICH results in the car dropping out of gear, despite the throttle position demanding 2000 to 2500 revs.

If you persist in arguing about something you no nothing about I can only suggest you do some homework first.

I have a very reputable independent engineer confirm, in writing, and at some considerable cost, that which I had been telling Skoda all along.

Mate!

OH

PS

You want to inspect my parked up Ford Galaxy with 250,000 miles of farming, heavy trailer towing and reversing, self-build housebuilding and teaching waeans to drive.

Bought new in 1998.

All on the as yet still fitted, and not in the least slipping  origional clutch.

And radiator

and head gasket.

i.e.

As I said I got a modicum of engineering (and driving) gumption.

Mate!

 

So you were unlucky, that's the way life goes.

 

As I said I had no problems whatsoever with mine & thousands of other drivers had no problems either. 

 

It's the luck of the draw or C'est la vie as the French would say. If it's manufactured it WILL break/breakdown one day.

Remapped my vrs at 400miles had 3 faultless years with dsg box. Have now ordered another vrs with dsg.

(i)Yes, I was "unlucky", but if? so few of these cars are defective (and apparently unfixable)

Why do Skoda not simply do a Toyota and fess up and replace the car (as I suggested during the 3 month period)

As would be required by consumer law i.e. SoGA.

 

(ii) I wish posters would make it clear whether they are talking about either the wet DSG (driver friendlyand thirsty but bulletproof, apparently, from my research prior to purchase)

or the entirely different dry 7 speed DSG which certainly has, at least, its operational quirks, in addition to some chronic software gremlins.

 

(iii) Presuming any VRS will have the bullet proof wet DSG (though requiring oil/fluid and filters changed every 40,000 miles)

 

(iii) Yes probably a manual, unless Skoda have sorted the 7 speed dry DSG software gremlins on the latest models, i.e. the Octy III and thereon. Cos my left leg has grown lazy and anyway I like automatics.

 

Regards,

Marcus

Edited 16 September, 201312 yr by dieseldogg

As a first time owner of a Skoda with a DSG gearbox I cannot fault it. In fact I am waiting for delivery of my new Octy III with DSG. My current car was out of warranty in May & has only done 26k. Having seen that Skoda in several countries (not UK) now offer 5 year warranty on the DSG & reportedly paying out for failures after the normal warranty for some prompted me to take out the extended warranty package. Maybe I am overly cautious, but doing this gives me some peace of mind.

So it seems to be about 50/50 for the DSG then?

I'm on the fence!

 

I very much like DSG, or automatics in general.

 

But, if it was my own money and I knew I was going to be running the car outside of the warranty I'd play it safe and get a manual.

 

You could buy a complete new manual gearbox for the price of a new mechatronics pack for the DSG.

 

Low annual mileage? Company Car? Selling before it's third birthday? Happy to pay for an extended warranty? Then go for DSG.

Edited 17 September, 201312 yr by silver1011

My current car is a Honda Insight CVT ( auto)on which the transmission recently failed after 29000 miles, 3 months out of warranty and having been fully serviced by Honda from new. The cost to repair ? £10,000 including parts, VAT & labour !!

Eventually, after protracted discussions (!?!?) with Honda, they agreed to refund the full cost less the tax, but that was hard work !

I've since ordered a new Octavia 3 1.6 Tdi WITH a DSG gearbox on a PCP - just hoping lightning doesn't strike twice. Whatever, I'll certainly be changing the car before the warranty expires ,or at the very least, buying an extended warranty.

JKW

At least the DSG is a proper gearbox with, well, gears and the lot - whereas the CVT is a different design with a type of belt or something. We feel safe in Norway because of our standard five years of warranty, so I'm not worried about choosing a DSG to complement the 1.8 TSI.