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they say it whipps the Golfs *** on a track

look at the gallery.. HOW BIG ARE THOSE BRAKES :eek:

they say it whipps the Golfs *** on a track

And yet, i dare say most of them wont go near a track, and on the road where most will spend their life, the Golf is probably the easier to live with

Personally I still prefer the Golf ultimately... but I may be biased

I`m not an Astra fan, but this i like. But i think the Golf is a better package overall.

That said, Vauxhall is indeed starting to produce more noteworthy cars again, which from their angle is not a bad thing

Come on do you think the Golf GTI has really changed since the Mk3 came out ? I mean the Mk3 is when the golf started to put on weight. It hasn't change much since then, it's really a Warm Luxury Sport Hatch IMHO as it doesn't produce the kind of power or weight reduction required nowadays.

The VXR looks the business where as the Golf GTI looks fast but in a Pimms and Lemonade way (Very well to do but not raw enough)

The way forward at the moment seems to be trying to extract as much power as you can out of a non turbo/supercharged engine but VW are taking the easy way out and dumping Turbo's or Superchargers on their cars :thumbdwn:

They should also concentrate on making their cars lighter, maybe even produce a track version of the well loved cars out their for enthusiasts bit like Renault. Renault produced the Cup verion of the clio and it sold very very well. So take heed Skoda/Seat/VW/Audi.

Must admit a 'GTI-light' would be great. Bit like a Mk1 with a more modern chassis/engine planted in it, that kinda thing. Nothing really wrong with using a turbo but I can see what you mean

Must admit a 'GTI-light' would be great. Bit like a Mk1 with a more modern chassis/engine planted in it, that kinda thing. Nothing really wrong with using a turbo but I can see what you mean

Turbo's and Superchargers are the easy way out, all you do is drop the compression ratio on the engine, bolt a turbo on a way hey you got alot more power.

The new Superlight GTI could have a decent chassis bit like the old Mk1 which was a peach to drive and the engine could be a radically new deisgn aluminium high revving engine, the suspension could have been design by Spax or Leeda or some other leading after market suspension company.

Take Honda for example, their VVTI is a master piece, a second cam slots into place when the oil pressure is a certain value thus cause the valves to open longer. When I saw the workings it was so simple yet so effective.

VW should spend some more time on designing the engines and forget about taking old trechnology and dumping a Turbo / SC onto it. This kinda thing can be seen in the Audi RS series, 2 turbo as bolted onto it, take the similar power M3 BMW, no Turbo no SC but one quick car.

The old MK1 GTI was a revolution but VW haven't kept up the pace with the likes of Honda, BMW, Toyota, Nissan etc.

Shame really as their build quality is much better than the aformentioned car manafacturers.

turbos are for emmisions...

and non turbos have no torque... would take the astra or golf over a civic any day of the week - and im prob one of the few on here who has owned multiple vtc hondas...

VW should spend some more time on designing the engines and forget about taking old trechnology and dumping a Turbo / SC onto it. This kinda thing can be seen in the Audi RS series' date=' 2 turbo as bolted onto it, take the similar power M3 BMW, no Turbo no SC but one quick car.

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i think you'll find VAG are heading away from Turbos in their big performance cars.

Audi S4 and RS4 now use V8 power. producing more than there old turbo versions but with an increase in CC.

A8 W12 engine etc

new S6 and RS6 will be NA too apparently

turbos are for emmisions...

and non turbos have no torque... would take the astra or golf over a civic any day of the week - and im prob one of the few on here who has owned multiple vtc hondas...

Exactly..

not everyone wants a car they have to rev the nutts off to go fast..

id say the VW is infinately more a flexible car to drive than a civic with a vtec screamer.. it goes back to the old "can i beat a CTR" argument... simple answer, if he isnt bouncing off the redline.. probably stand a fair chance in a similar powered car.

I like it, although it still looks like the bonnet isn't closed properly

Chris

Must admit a 'GTI-light' would be great. Bit like a Mk1 with a more modern chassis/engine planted in it, that kinda thing. Nothing really wrong with using a turbo but I can see what you mean

One of these http://www.vw.co.za/models/citigolf/ with an engine transplant then?

Having said that the 1.6 as it comes does a 9.3 second 0-60 which is pretty decent for a basic car

One of these http://www.vw.co.za/models/citigolf/ with an engine transplant then?

Having said that the 1.6 as it comes does a 9.3 second 0-60 which is pretty decent for a basic car

I'll have one in Mercato Blue please, around

There's one of those driving round by me.

I've seen it on the roads a couple of times and it confused the hell out of me at first as I didn't know what a Mk1 golf was doing on an R-reg number plate

One of these http://www.vw.co.za/models/citigolf/ with an engine transplant then?

Having said that the 1.6 as it comes does a 9.3 second 0-60 which is pretty decent for a basic car

Didnt realise these were still going... they updated the dash again.. now has the Fabia style dash..

I like the new Astra VXR and I bet for the money it comes packed with all the options that you probably have to pay an extra couple of grand for on the Golf to bring upto a similar spec. If it's reliable then I think Vx might be onto a winner with this one....

turbos are for emmisions...

and non turbos have no torque... would take the astra or golf over a civic any day of the week - and im prob one of the few on here who has owned multiple vtc hondas...

There are ways other than turbo's to drop emissions better swirl technology in the inlet chambers, better atomization of the fuel droplets are just 2 ways.

As to the non turbo have no torque, depends what style of engine you go for, Square engines (Engine where the bore diameter is the same size as the lenght of the bore) are a good mixture of both. Long thrown engines by their nature have alot or torque so they don't have to rev to high, Formula one engine/ Bike engines (Short Throw) where the lenght of the bore is shorter than the width of the bore have little or no torque but rev very high.

Throwing a turbo at an engine is an easy way out, making a decent engine that makes alot of horse power with a decent amount of torque takes alot more work.

All turbo's do is increase volume efficiency to well over 100%, the idea is to get 100% VE with a NA engine.

There are ways other than turbo's to drop emissions better swirl technology in the inlet chambers' date=' better atomization of the fuel droplets are just 2 ways.

As to the non turbo have no torque, depends what style of engine you go for, Square engines (Engine where the bore diameter is the same size as the lenght of the bore) are a good mixture of both. Long thrown engines by their nature have alot or torque so they don't have to rev to high, Formula one engine/ Bike engines (Short Throw) where the lenght of the bore is shorter than the width of the bore have little or no torque but rev very high.

Throwing a turbo at an engine is an easy way out, making a decent engine that makes alot of horse power with a decent amount of torque takes alot more work.

All turbo's do is increase volume efficiency to well over 100%, the idea is to get 100% VE with a NA engine.[/quote']

as i said in a previous reply, audi seem to be thinking the same, S4, RS4 future S6 and RS6 are NA engines. A8 has the W12 engine too

The best solution for a major jump in normally aspirated engine power, will be electrically activated valves, infinitly variable valve timing, opening and closing, severally companies are working on it at the moment. The problem with square motors is they do not like to be revved high, so building one that is going to rev to 10000 will be a challenge, as the civic show, you need big revs to get big power on a NA motor you double your power if your double your revs (theoretically). turbo produce power lower down the rev range. 100% VE would be great but very difficult and expensive to achieve on a production motor with emission controls, NVH etc. Problem is the internal combustion engine technology is old, what we are debating here was being debated 80 years ago. peugeots with 4 valves per cylinder, BMW aero engines with Superchargers, turbo`s. time for something new. Funny thing is there is more scope for increase in power in diesel motors due to higher calorific content than petrol motors.

Throwing a turbo at an engine is an easy way out, making a decent engine that makes alot of horse power with a decent amount of torque takes alot more work.

So? If it works, what's wrong with that? Forced induction is an efficient method of boosting power. If married to other technologies, it'll always reign supreme.

A n/a engine is just a turbocharged engine with permanent lag.

I was behind a new astra turbo coupe (not VXR), it was quick but it looked really fat and heavy. It looked like a fat person wearing tight jeans and a tight shirt.

I had a little stint with 2 of the VXRs on the way to Hatfield a week or two back... Both on dealer plates. First one gave up pretty soon, the second one was a tougher cookie to crack When I drove past him (he slowed down to wait for his mate) I noticed it was a fairly old bloke... to him

Just wish Vauxhall hadn't decided to put the 'Vauxhall crease' in the car (if you know the crease I mean.Seems to be part of the vectra design too).Looks like the car has been squeezed between a couple of buses leaving the weird dash and boot line crease.

Nice wheels though.I'm no interior designer but I am sure there is a better colour than 'cornflower blue' for the brakes

I saw an Astra VXR at Goodwood and the brakes on the rear were NOT that big.

VXR seats look like the love child of BA Business class and recaro