We had a recent thread on here about informing your Insurance Company but my believe is that DVLA need to know as well.

 

If you are selling on a previously tuned car, then the new owner ought to know via documentation !

(AFAIK) they don't want/need to know unless you've changed the engine number, capacity, chassis number, colour or something like that

No, the DVLA do not need to know at all. The only time they need notifying is if you change the engine CC. or have a used engine fitted to update the engine number. They also need notifying if you make a permanent colour chage.

 

There is no record of BHP/Torque etc. with the DVLA. The car is taxed using data at the time it was type approved, changes later are not relevant.

As above. No need to tell them.

 

You've just made me think though that I never updated the V5 for my old Felicia when that had a new engine put in! Ran it for a couple of years too. oops!

 

Phil

No, the DVLA do not need to know at all. The only time they need notifying is if you change the engine CC. or have a used engine fitted to update the engine number. They also need notifying if you make a permanent colour chage.

 

There is no record of BHP/Torque etc. with the DVLA. The car is taxed using data at the time it was type approved, changes later are not relevant.

Okay, so is that  right, for the knowledge of a perspective buyer?

Is there a loop hole here for bad practice / dishonesty!

Okay, so is that  right, for the knowledge of a perspective buyer?

Is there a loop hole here for bad practice / dishonesty!

 

Oh yes, there is a loop hole and its currently exploited widely by some in order to get a more powerful car without paying the insurance costs.

Oh yes, there is a loop hole and its currently exploited widely by some in order to get a more powerful car without paying the insurance costs.

So who is doing what about it - when insurance premiums etc continue to rise!?

Insurance companies are thoroughly checking every written off car. I know of a rolled DS3 in and insurance compound and the insurance company are refusing to pay out because the DS3 had un declared GreenStuff pads in it.

Edited 23 January, 201412 yr by dobbey

Possible solution:

 

New units sold by manufactures should be car specific ,Ident No. too registration of vehicle.

They then inform DVLA and current car insurance company for the registration.

These records are help on vehicle record at DVLA.

Possible solution:

 

New units sold by manufactures should be car specific ,Ident No. too registration of vehicle.

They then inform DVLA and current car insurance company for the registration.

These records are help on vehicle record at DVLA.

This should also apply to mappers!

This should also apply to mappers!

 

The vehicle belongs to the customer. The customer employ a tuning company to make the changes. Therefore the onus to notify anyone (which there is no requirement to) is on the customer/owner of the vehicle.

The vehicle belongs to the customer. The customer employ a tuning company to make the changes. Therefore the onus to notify anyone (which there is no requirement to) is on the customer/owner of the vehicle.

Your comments say a lot!

Thanks for that.

What crusade is the 'anti-mod' meister on now?

My comments were factual in response to your comments. I can't be held responsible for any insinuation or assumption made from them.

 

I'm not sure why I appear to be in line for so many caustic posts from you today? Are you anti-tuning in general or just anti-Shark?

My comments were factual in response to your comments. I can't be held responsible for any insinuation or assumption made from them.

 

I'm not sure why I appear to be in line for so many caustic posts from you today? Are you anti-tuning in general or just anti-Shark?

He's just trying to fight his way outa' his quilted anorak.

My comments were factual in response to your comments. I can't be held responsible for any insinuation or assumption made from them.

I'm not sure why I appear to be in line for so many caustic posts from you today? Are you anti-tuning in general or just anti-Shark?

I agree, people who want to tune are responsible for their own car. Your comment was very fair and factual to me

Oh and most of the insurance cost rises are for medical complaints.

This should also apply to mappers!

 

Why should it apply to any company that you employ to do a job on a car, you are the owner of the vehicle, if you do anything to that vehicle, it is up to you to inform whoever needs informing, not down to the company, thats ridiculous statement to make, can you imagine the local garage sitting on a computer at night updating its records telling the DVLA that X Y Z has been fitted and isn't standard to that car etc, its purely down to the owner of the car!  You pay your money, you take your choice, whether you decide to inform the DVLA or Insurance company etc is totally down to the individual.

 

I noticed the other week when getting insurance quotes for my car, there was now a section that you had to go through so you could declare modifications which were no specific to the 'original' spec of the car, this included all sorts, engine, suspension, body, interior, electrical accessories etc etc I was surprised at how in depth it was, so to get as accurate quote as possible I ticked all the bits that were factory options on my car as these are in addition to the standard factory specification.

 

As dobbey mentioned above, insurance companies are far more likely to carry out checks these days on cars, so anyone not declaring stuff correctly is in my opinion playing a difficult game.

In my experience the owners of modded cars take very good care of them and the insurance companies tend to recognise this and some are very accommodating. I found this to be the case over many years with modified Toyota MR2s

If you had read the previous thread, which I mentioned , relating to "declaring your tuned enhancement to the insurance company" then you would have seen, that out of those who were being honest  that 20% didn't declare. 80 % I NOTE ARE RESPONSIBLE but I'm talking about protecting against the idiots and illegals .

 

Consequently that would mean that there are a number of owners out there not covered and hence if involved in an accident, we would not get a penny in a claim from them in that event. There is also the potential for lose of life and injury, to friend ,family and the unknown.

 

I would therefore strongly argue that the provider /installer of such equipment also has a degree of responsibility to other road users, by doing the right thing, by completing a simple online document to the DVLA.

That is no different to a garage, filling out documentation for an MOT for the DVLA / Police too track.

 

Hope this adds a bit of common sense to the red blooded tuning industry and end user. 

Cloud cuckoo land springs to mind

It would be necessary to draft legislation making it illegal, effectively, for modifying companies to either sell parts or provide services without first seeing proof that a person is insured, then having to check that that insurance is valid, then having to notify the insurer what work had been done etc etc etc

Good luck with that one

Consequently that would mean that there are a number of owners out there not covered and hence if involved in an accident, we would not get a penny in a claim from them in that event. There is also the potential for lose of life and injury, to friend ,family and the unknown.

 

I would therefore strongly argue that the provider /installer of such equipment also has a degree of responsibility to other road users, by doing the right thing, by completing a simple online document to the DVLA.

That is no different to a garage, filling out documentation for an MOT for the DVLA / Police too track.

 

Hope this adds a bit of common sense to the red blooded tuning industry and end user. 

 

Oh dear. Wrong I'm afraid. Modifications to a vehicle only affect your own insurance and cannot affect the third party claim. I might be wrong on this second part but I'm pretty sure the correct answer is that the insurance company must recalculate your premium based upon the modifications being present and obtain this from the customer before settling the claim.

 

Yours,

 

Red Blooded of Mansfield.

Oh dear. Wrong I'm afraid. Modifications to a vehicle only affect your own insurance and cannot affect the third party claim. I might be wrong on this second part but I'm pretty sure the correct answer is that the insurance company must recalculate your premium based upon the modifications being present and obtain this from the customer before settling the claim.

 

Yours,

 

Red Blooded of Mansfield.

Shame your industry can't relate to any responsibility!

Just dump it on the Customer.

 

"Wrong" but then you dilute your reply with "what if's"

Shame your industry can't relate to any responsibility!

Just dump it on the Customer.

"Wrong" but then you dilute your reply with "what if's"

Using your argument then sale of any car parts will have to be made illegal. The only way to obtain any parts will be to have them fitted by an registered garage. That garage would be unable to fit any parts until they have spoken to the relevant insurer and obtained written proof that fitting is acceptable and authorised. To avoid people buying stuff from abroad and fitting themselves then either purchasing or fitting parts privately would have to be illegal.

Manufacturers will have to make available to the insurance companies detailed build records of every vehicle so that these can be checked so that said parts can be ordered/fitted/approved.

I'm sure that won't cost much OK r be hard to administer...

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One thing this country seems to have forgotten, personal responsibility.

Is it the off-licenses fault if they sell me a 12 year old malt which I drink then go out and crash my car?

That said on the flip side I guess a simple marker would be useful in ensuring the unsuspecting buyer didn't buy any modified without knowing, bit like the details they take when you buy a TV for the licensing bods.

Of course when you do your insurance if you are honest and make statements like 'not to my knowledge' it gives a little bit of come back and my legal bod suggests that if you believe it was standard 'in good faith' an insurer would really have to probe otherwise to be able to reject a claim.

The customer is paying to have work done on their car, it's their car, their choice and their responsibility to ensure that the car is safe, legal and correctly insured to use on the road.

 

If you look at your registration document, it will have all the approval data on it, including emissions and noise levels.  You can't change that, if you could you'll need to put that particular vehicle through the tests that the manufacturer put it through, which would be difficult and extremely expensive.

 

To say it is the tuners responsibility is akin to saying that the garage who sold you the car is responsible for you breaking the law in it.