Of course it's not going to be the tuner's responsibility, any more than it would be the oil company's responsibilty for selling a person the fuel to exceed the speed limit.

Owning a car is a responsibilty that an adult person has to deal with, in all it's aspects.

People vary massively, so levels of taking that burden seriously will also vary.

Modifying is not the problem, it's foolish people that own the cars and that will not be confined to modified vehicles.

Anyone like to lay odds on how long it is before this one gets locked

Just thought I'd sneak one in beforehand

Shame your industry can't relate to any responsibility!

Just dump it on the Customer.

"Wrong" but then you dilute your reply with "what if's"

Could someone pinch me to make sure I'm not operating in a parallel universe

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Why is that,Sponsor pressure!!

Restricting freedom of speech and opinion.

Why is that,Sponsor pressure!!

Restricting freedom of speech and opinion.

Not what I was thinking, no

Why is that,Sponsor pressure!!

Restricting freedom of speech and opinion.

Err, I think you need to step away from the keyboard.

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I've just been through a long and complicated process of registering my felicia with the 1.8T transplant, the dvla are not interested one tiny bit in modifications, the only bit they want is the engine number and cubic capacity, my v5c officially has 1781cc on it now but it took a lot backwards and forwards between me and the dvla and vosa to get it done, if you make any structural changes to a vehicle you need to notify vosa because the car is no longer 'type approved' in the form it left the factory so it falls down on constructions and use regs so it requires an Iva test at £450 to make it road legal, but as I have discovered it only applies to cars under 10 years old so I got away with that one, however vosa and dvla are going to start making it difficult for modifiers in the next few years to come..

Insurance wise, you must notify them of any modification regardless of how trivial you think it is, I had to supply rolling road printouts, weigh bridge readings, mot certificate, and the amended v5c document showing the new engine number and cc before it they issued a certificate of insurance, some insurers also insist on an engineers report or Iva/sva test too. I guess none of this applies to standard cars that have been chipped, mine was a bit more out of the ordinary, but you stil have an obligation to notify them of remaps yourself, it's not the onus of the tuning firm, it's your own responsibility. If you fail to notify them then you deserve all you get when they won't pay out a claim.

Oh and guys, please lay off whatever petty squabble is going on here otherwise holidays will be won..

Fair comment. Why people come in forums to start arguments is beyond me.

The current law is clear

Just been thinking on this again, there are modifications that need to be declared to the dvla in fact, these are to do with the body type, ie if you buy an estate car and chop the roof off turning it into a pickup, and also the changes to the number of seats needs to be declared too, but alas this is not related to performance engine modifications.

I've just been through a long and complicated process of registering my felicia with the 1.8T transplant, the dvla are not interested one tiny bit in modifications, the only bit they want is the engine number and cubic capacity, my v5c officially has 1781cc on it now but it took a lot backwards and forwards between me and the dvla and vosa to get it done, if you make any structural changes to a vehicle you need to notify vosa because the car is no longer 'type approved' in the form it left the factory so it falls down on constructions and use regs so it requires an Iva test at £450 to make it road legal, but as I have discovered it only applies to cars under 10 years old so I got away with that one, however vosa and dvla are going to start making it difficult for modifiers in the next few years to come..

Insurance wise, you must notify them of any modification regardless of how trivial you think it is, I had to supply rolling road printouts, weigh bridge readings, mot certificate, and the amended v5c document showing the new engine number and cc before it they issued a certificate of insurance, some insurers also insist on an engineers report or Iva/sva test too. I guess none of this applies to standard cars that have been chipped, mine was a bit more out of the ordinary, but you stil have an obligation to notify them of remaps yourself, it's not the onus of the tuning firm, it's your own responsibility. If you fail to notify them then you deserve all you get when they won't pay out a claim.

That seems odd, all my insurance company wanted when going from a 1.4 16v to a 2.8 vr6 24v on my old car, was to talk about how much of a sleeper it must be and have I surprised anyone with it yet...

That seems odd, all my insurance company wanted when going from a 1.4 16v to a 2.8 vr6 24v on my old car, was to talk about how much of a sleeper it must be and have I surprised anyone with it yet...

yes it is a bit unorthodox but I think it's because they had no previous data associated with this car, every man and his wife has had a golf with an engine transplant, but they told me that my felicia was the only one they've ever insured that had been modified, they wanted the mot certificate for the mileage because it's a limited mileage policy, they wanted to know the power to weight ratio to calculate the premium.

That seems odd, all my insurance company wanted when going from a 1.4 16v to a 2.8 vr6 24v on my old car, was to talk about how much of a sleeper it must be and have I surprised anyone with it yet...

Hope that you can stop that projectile then!

Oh dear. Wrong I'm afraid. Modifications to a vehicle only affect your own insurance and cannot affect the third party claim...

As the rules stand this is correct, HOWEVER, the insurer can seek to recover the amount of any third party claim if the insured has committed fraud.

Hope that you can stop that projectile then!

No.........I'm sure he'll have left everything else standard

Where would changes to standard legalities stop? What other businesses should be contacting DVLA?

Halfords for Better filters? Fuel cleaner/additive ?

Blackcircles for Budget Tyres?

Primark for Driving in grandad slippers?

My oh my

Hope that you can stop that projectile then!

  

No.........I'm sure he'll have left everything else standard

The joys of VAG platforms...

The only standard thing was the shell and the rear axle.

I still have it, and I've still got plans. There won't be a single unfettled/standard part on it when I'm done.

But I'm hijacking slightly...

The joys of VAG platforms...

The only standard thing was the shell and the rear axle.

I still have it, and I've still got plans. There won't be a single unfettled/standard part on it when I'm done.

But I'm hijacking slightly...

Not a problem - your situation is a prime example of how crass the original suggestion is

Can you imagine the number of parts suppliers who would be under a duty to notify the DVLA of parts they've sold you :(

Not a problem - your situation is a prime example of how crass the original suggestion is

Can you imagine the number of parts suppliers who would be under a duty to notify the DVLA of parts they've sold you :(

The DVLA are a big enough pain in the rear to do something as simple as swap engine sizes. Going across tax bands is the worst, even when you're handing them money!

Engineers reports, receipts, blah blah blah.

They can barely manage to job they do day to day (how many have had their licences messed up?) so I wouldn't trust them with anything as complex as car modification.

The DVLA are a big enough pain in the rear to do something as simple as swap engine sizes. Going across tax bands is the worst, even when you're handing them money!

Engineers reports, receipts, blah blah blah.

They can barely manage to job they do day to day (how many have had their licences messed up?) so I wouldn't trust them with anything as complex as car modification.

 

Don't forget that most of the remaining few local offices are closing this year and even more head office staff are being made redundant.  Slow service will get a whole load worse very soon.