In some European countries its compulsory to carry a hi-viz vest in the vehicle for all passengers in a car....

 

Should that be the case here?

Yes.

But then I do anyway.

^ me too.

Got to give the LGVs on the motorway a target to aim at.

I would do as you never know when you would need one

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No

I always have one kept in the underseat storage compartment and another in the boot.

And yes, IMO it should be law to carry one.

WeirdKerr, can you edit the first post to add a poll?

Yes, along with warning triangle, torch and SPARE WHEEL.

Yes, along with warning triangle, torch and SPARE WHEEL.

I have all those :yes:

Much as it's a good idea to have one in some circumstances, I think making another law is a bit too nanny state.

To be fair, needless high viz jackets are one of my pet hates, along with Drls for a similar reason.

We get that used to seeing hivizes that we desensitise to them (and headlights in the daytime) that they stop providing protection for people who need them.

No

 

There are enough stupid "do gooder" laws about already.

Who is going to enforce it - the Police?

Aren't there already enough motoring legal niceties that they have neither the manpower, training, expertise or time to enforce.

 

If I occasionally carry children in the car, am I going to have to carry extra child sizes.?

Which standard are they going to have to comply with - BS EN 1150 for private use, or BS EN 471 for professional use?

If I use my car for business purposes do I have to use the higher Standard models? But if my passengers are with me for social / private reasons only do they require the higher standard as well?

What storage arrangements are acceptable? Will we be allowed to chuck them in the boot, or will proper storage facilities be required.

 

What penalties are you suggesting for non-compliance?

 

Spare wheel? Many, if not most cars these days aren't supplied with them. What about a jack, wheel brace, What about passing a law to make it illegal to have the wheel bolts too tight to remove with the manufacturers supplied wheel brace.

 

The above is just a few random top-of my-head queries.

If you start proposing yet more legislation, you'd better think it through.

Lots of recent legislation is so badly worded that the Lawyers have a field day contesting it.

 

I do carry 2 anyway, but that's not the point.

Much as it's a good idea to have one in some circumstances, I think making another law is a bit too nanny state.

To be fair, needless high viz jackets are one of my pet hates, along with Drls for a similar reason.

We get that used to seeing hivizes that we desensitise to them (and headlights in the daytime) that they stop providing protection for people who need them.

I heard an anecdotal story of a bloke who was airside on the tarmac at some airport who was shouted at from a distance for not wearing his Hi-Viz. The reply was 'well, you ****ing saw me didn't you'

 

I still think they should be a legal requirement and I'm a nanny state opponent.

No

 

There are enough stupid "do gooder" laws about already.

Who is going to enforce it - the Police?

MoT Requirement?

Aren't there already enough motoring legal niceties that they have neither the manpower, training, expertise or time to enforce.

 

If I occasionally carry children in the car, am I going to have to carry extra child sizes.?

Which standard are they going to have to comply with - BS EN 1150 for private use, or BS EN 471 for professional use?

Either or

If I use my car for business purposes do I have to use the higher Standard models? But if my passengers are with me for social / private reasons only do they require the higher standard as well?

They don't cost a lot so the higher spec

What storage arrangements are acceptable? Will we be allowed to chuck them in the boot, or will proper storage facilities be required.

Hardly take up much room, do they?

What penalties are you suggesting for non-compliance?

MoT Failure

Spare wheel? Many, if not most cars these days aren't supplied with them. What about a jack, wheel brace, What about passing a law to make it illegal to have the wheel bolts too tight to remove with the manufacturers supplied wheel brace.

Wheel bolts have a specific torque setting

 

The above is just a few random top-of my-head queries.

If you start proposing yet more legislation, you'd better think it through.

Lots of recent legislation is so badly worded that the Lawyers have a field day contesting it.

 

I do carry 2 anyway, but that's not the point.

So what is your point?

 

 

Much as it's a good idea to have one in some circumstances, I think making another law is a bit too nanny state.

To be fair, needless high viz jackets are one of my pet hates, along with Drls for a similar reason.

We get that used to seeing hivizes that we desensitise to them (and headlights in the daytime) that they stop providing protection for people who need them.

 

 

 

I agree, this is something close to my hart and driver education is better, have a look at this,

 

http://www.slowdownmoveover.co.uk/

No

 

There are enough stupid "do gooder" laws about already.

Who is going to enforce it - the Police?

Aren't there already enough motoring legal niceties that they have neither the manpower, training, expertise or time to enforce.

 

If I occasionally carry children in the car, am I going to have to carry extra child sizes.?

Which standard are they going to have to comply with - BS EN 1150 for private use, or BS EN 471 for professional use?

If I use my car for business purposes do I have to use the higher Standard models? But if my passengers are with me for social / private reasons only do they require the higher standard as well?

What storage arrangements are acceptable? Will we be allowed to chuck them in the boot, or will proper storage facilities be required.

 

What penalties are you suggesting for non-compliance?

 

Spare wheel? Many, if not most cars these days aren't supplied with them. What about a jack, wheel brace, What about passing a law to make it illegal to have the wheel bolts too tight to remove with the manufacturers supplied wheel brace.

 

The above is just a few random top-of my-head queries.

If you start proposing yet more legislation, you'd better think it through.

Lots of recent legislation is so badly worded that the Lawyers have a field day contesting it.

 

I do carry 2 anyway, but that's not the point.

Well to be honest I agree, a law should not be necessary, common sense says you carry one for each passenger in the car in an appropriate size at all times, I know I do.

And manufacturers should be made to provide a spare wheel as standard, obviously with a jack, although I'm not bothered about a wheel brace as I always carry a breaker bar to ensure I can get the wheel nuts off and a torque wrench so that the spare can always be fitted correctly. Oh and a full tool kit and socket set because you just never know.

I don't really understand why people aren't prepared for the odd simple mishap when driving.

Why? I've broken down on the motorway and the last thing I'd have tried to do was find my hiviz. I grabbed my phone and was out of the car and over the armco as quick as I could be.

Admittedly that offered me no protection from anyone driving on the embankment.

I heard an anecdotal story of a bloke who was airside on the tarmac at some airport who was shouted at from a distance for not wearing his Hi-Viz. The reply was 'well, you ******* saw me didn't you' I still think they should be a legal requirement and I'm a nanny state opponent.

There's quite a good case study about a warehouse where most pedestrians were segregated from the forklifts by barriers. Anyone on the forklift side on a truck or foot rightly had to wear a hiviz, anyone behind the barrier didn't.

Health and safety procedures were improved so everyone either side of the barrier had to wear a vest.

The result was the forkies got that used to seeing hivizes behind the barrier, that they didn't need to pay attention to, that they desensitised, and accidents started happening on the vehicle side.

Edited 2 February, 201412 yr by StevesTruck

I always carry a Hi-Vis jacket, but then again I am a first responder so I carry much more as well!

Why? I've broken down on the motorway and the last thing I'd have tried to do was find my hiviz. I grabbed my phone and was out of the car and over the armco as quick as I could be.

Admittedly that offered me no protection from anyone driving on the embankment.

Exactly, the logical extension of this is that everyone needs to wear a hi-viz to even be a passenger in a car so you don't have to find it in the event of a mishap.

To the question about what is my point, quite simply, because something is a good idea does not mean it should be forced upon the entire population by means of yet more legislation.

As I said above there is enough unecessary and unenforced legislation already.

You may choose to do something, as may I, that doesn't warrant more laws.

The suggestion that other countries do something is no justification for compelling us to follow.

Should we be forced to carry a fire extinguisher, spare pair of glasses, full set of light bulbs, first aid kit, hazard flares, breathalysers, etc. etc?

Should we be compelled to fit winter tyres?

As wheel bolts have a specified torque, should we all be compelled to carry a torque wrench in case we need to change a wheel (assuming we have a spare anyway)

As for the suggestion of carrying a full tool kit and socket set, firstly I'd need a trailer to carry mine, and secondly, what exactly are you going to do with it? A fully charged mobile phone and membership of a breakdown organisation would be more relevant for 99% of the population.

I repeat, I am not against anyone doing or carrying any of these items, but I am strongly against more legislation simply because something is a good idea, and will continue to argue against it.

Yes and while we're at it let's bring back the man with the red flag to walk in front of our cars to warn others!

Seriously though, they do provide a function but I wouldn't say it should be a legal requirement.

I always have one in the van and the car.

No. We are not french. At what point do we draw the line?

Now its not just France where its compulsory, its now virtually the whole of Europe.

 

The law in spain is even tougher than France, every passenger must have one and you must be able to access the things without getting out of the car if you breakdown on the motorway. Hence why in Spain you see a lot of the cars with them hanging over the front seats, me I just keep them in the glovebox when in Spain.

 

I think its a good idea, they are always in my car along with a warning triangle.

In answer to 'WeirdKerr'  NO.

 

It makes sense to carry a Hi-Vis IN the car. Your choice.

Edited 2 February, 201412 yr by thingy

I don't think it should become law for the reasons listed above. 

 

I try to keep a hi-vis jacket in the car - having broken down several times at the side of the road I can tell you how useful they are - for keeping warm if nothing else.