In an appropriately modern car.

 

Why? On a busy road, does it make them feel safer when an Artic. overtakes them?

 

J.

Unfortunately I have seen this on the M4 a fair bit recently.

 

Even more annoying with cruise control too. They just cause carnage and messes with the traffic flow, especially when a HGV has to overtake them. It isn't going to be a quick overtake, and not many people won't want to help the HGV to get into lane 2.

 

General policy I have is if you're going slower than a HGV on the motorway, then you are putting yourself in a more dangerous situation.

 

I once decided to go around 62 to about 65 MPH on the motorway, hang out with the lorries etc. I found MPG was great, but I felt very vulnerable. Plus it was incredibly boring.

 

The one thing that annoys me on the motorway, is the people who sit within a few feet of a HGV, with no attempt to pass them. They can't see a thing, the HGV can probably stop in a shorter time (Especially when unladen) and the HGV has no idea that you're there.

Fuel economy...simples

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anybody driving slower than a lorry really needs a yellow flashing lights and warning signage, imho

What's worse is when your driving that lorry and the retard decides when your passing them to speed up slightly.............. then slow down slightly, then up etc. 

you mean like when they do this at the start of long hill 

I do alot of escort driving aircraft around the country, our cabs with a kings trailer fully laden will only do about 54mph

Its so frustrating when we catch up with a mondeo with 78yr old man doing 52mph, overtake him (takes about 3days) he then overtakes us pulls back in and slows down thus restarting the scenario!

This happens every week! And dont even get me started on people that pull in between me and the load that im clearly escorting!

Hmm, I appreciate I haven't driven a limited HGV before, but I do wonder what benefits are to be had when a wagon doing 54mph over takes a wagon doing 52mph?

 

Especially as you say it takes "3 days". Whilst you are crawling past there are cars behind you that instead of doing 80mph are now down to 54mph for miles on end.

 

Why not just stick at 52mph until Mr Mondeo falls asleep at the wheel and quietly disappears off down the embankment?

I done 56mph the whole 7 miles down the A5 tonight. Mega mpg, another lane for everyone to overtake me so I'm not holding anyone up so all good. On a motorway during rush hour or when its busy then no, I'd be sticking with the flow of traffic but if the conditions allow and I'm in no rush then I'll happily plod along.

Got to admit, if I'm in no rush and I'm buying the fuel, I quite often pick a wagon to sit behind and do 56mph. 

In an appropriately modern car.

 

Why? On a busy road, does it make them feel safer when an Artic. overtakes them?

 

J.

 

At most, other traffic will be going 10mph faster than them which isn't a lot.

I done 56mph the whole 7 miles down the A5 tonight. Mega mpg, another lane for everyone to overtake me so I'm not holding anyone up so all good. On a motorway during rush hour or when its busy then no, I'd be sticking with the flow of traffic but if the conditions allow and I'm in no rush then I'll happily plod along.

63 mpg shown coming back from Birmingham this evening, just going with the flow on the M6, M54, and then the A41.

Lovely relaxing drive, and didn't get in anyone's way.

 

Bit of a 'tickle' on the dual carriageway just before Whitchurch  to get past a couple of HGV's,  but apart from that, sedate but steady  on the speed limit

Edited 13 April, 201412 yr by Mr Ree

It can be dangerous!

Last year coming home from castle Combe I was entering the motorway from a services, so started accelerating. Car in front was going slow, so had to brake, then brake some more. Dopey moo was entering the motorway at 30mph! I almost came to a stop on the slip road to allow myself some run up to enter the motorway at a sensible speed

seems to me that there a huge case for being taught how to drive on the motorway. It escapes me why this tuition isn't mandatory as it is in Germany IIRC.

Minimum speed limit lanes perhaps?

No overtaking for trucks between certain hours, the norm on the continent.

Convoi Exeptionel? Make 'em go on the motorways after 9pm and off before 7am.

There, that's that one sorted

seems to me that there a huge case for being taught how to drive on the motorway. It escapes me why this tuition isn't mandatory as it is in Germany IIRC.

Minimum speed limit lanes perhaps?

No overtaking for trucks between certain hours, the norm on the continent.

Convoi Exeptionel? Make 'em go on the motorways after 9pm and off before 7am.

There, that's that one sorted

Fair

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seems to me that there a huge case for being taught how to drive on the motorway. It escapes me why this tuition isn't mandatory as it is in Germany IIRC.

Minimum speed limit lanes perhaps?

No overtaking for trucks between certain hours, the norm on the continent.

Convoi Exeptionel? Make 'em go on the motorways after 9pm and off before 7am.

There, that's that one sorted

Vote Lee for minister of transport

Vote Lee for minister of transport

best not, you haven't seen my policies on the lefty militant cyclists yet

Freedom to splash them?

Hmm, I appreciate I haven't driven a limited HGV before, but I do wonder what benefits are to be had when a wagon doing 54mph over takes a wagon doing 52mph?

Especially as you say it takes "3 days". Whilst you are crawling past there are cars behind you that instead of doing 80mph are now down to 54mph for miles on end.

Why not just stick at 52mph until Mr Mondeo falls asleep at the wheel and quietly disappears off down the embankment?

Silver just to clarify im not driving the HGV im in the hilux behind bored to death slowly getting epileptic from the amber warning lights lol

but yeah im with you on that i would just sit behind him and wake him up with a blast of air horn and then a playful nudge ha!

Edited 13 April, 201412 yr by Glynn

I often do 60mph but never less than the lorries!

 

I do see a lot of people that go very slow and it causes mayhem with lorries overtaking and people not expecting a car to be going so slow.

 

Phil

Forgive me if I'm wrong but the speed limit is 70mph so if the car wants to do 60, I say they can. Isn't it down to the motorist behind to take appropriate actions well in advance, prior to coming up to the car in front? What ****es me off is the drivers that can't be arsed to pay attention on the road ahead and pull into the overtaking lane right at the last minute., thus making the traffic behind slow (but if they were also driving correctly they should anticipated the other driver and slowed down accordingly). I try not to use my brakes on motorways and DC (and it really upsets the wife, as she says it tells the drivers behind that I'm slowing down, well pay attention I say :think: ) no matter what any of us say there will always be people who shouldn't be on the road.

To be honest, motorways are not the problem as they have a very small number of incidents.  From a practical standpoint, until there are motorways close at hand for everybody, it is unreasonable to require all new drivers to take motorway tuition.  There are plenty of places which are more than 100 miles from the nearest motorway, so unless we get the system extended significantly it cannot happen.

 

There is a far greater problem with people driving on rural roads.  I would like to see driving on twisty single track roads to be made compulsory for all new drivers.  That way they would have far fewer head-on collisions when they get onto them.

 

It's about 5% of fatalities on motorways, 30% in urban areas, 65% on rural roads.  We need to tackle the larger problems first.

Hmm, I appreciate I haven't driven a limited HGV before, but I do wonder what benefits are to be had when a wagon doing 54mph over takes a wagon doing 52mph?

 

Especially as you say it takes "3 days". Whilst you are crawling past there are cars behind you that instead of doing 80mph are now down to 54mph for miles on end.

 

Why not just stick at 52mph until Mr Mondeo falls asleep at the wheel and quietly disappears off down the embankment?

 

the difference in 52mph limiter passing a more likely 56mph limited lorry is after 4.5 hours driving before first rest 18 miles further and 32 miles by end of day. That is a fairly substantial distance to loose in a day. Drivers of large vehicles in the UK are the most courteous you will find anywhere in Europe and likely the world. A large vehicle used the slip stream of the vehicle in front and pulls out later than you would in a car and they communicate with each other via lights when vehicle is clear and safe to pull back in but also close! This is not done for the sheer love of being too close to the vehicle in front or the overtaken vehicles desire to have a giant wall right in front of them as soon as a vehicle has passed them. It increases flow. 

But as for the hours on ends it takes. If a truck passes another with 2mph greater speed it will only take 15 seconds to clear it and get back in. You ironically are prob more noticing the overtakes which are 1/10th of a mph difference in speed which may take a lot longer. The biggest thing that delays an overtake is the gradient changing then a heavier but higher limited truck loosing speed slowly etc. 

 

People then complain that large vehicles get too close to each other............ Imagine if the same 1/10thmph faster lorry was to pass the lorry in front pulling out 100 feet earlier and going back in 100 feet later increasing the average overtake stretch from 75feet to closer to 300. 

I think the slowest I ever really do is 67 on the motorway (providing traffic is normal of course) lol thats ma cruising cc speed lol

My reply is semi flippant but I do stand by the key facts through out. 

 

 

seems to me that there a huge case for being taught how to drive on the motorway. It escapes me why this tuition isn't mandatory as it is in Germany IIRC.

 

 

Unfortunately we have massive areas of the UK without motorways within range, in some cases hours drive. Thus making it impossible to be part of the current test for all. Would be ideal though. My personal preference would be mandatory theory & hazard perception retest every 5 years and practical every 10 and or actual discounts for actual advanced driving qualifications when it comes to insurance, not pathetic ones.

 

 

Minimum speed limit lanes perhaps?

 

 

Absolutely no need, drivers on the UK motorways have some of the worst lane discipline in the developed world. Our road network is large enough and one of the best designed, but congested due to absolute retards in epic numbers! Enforcing the existing legislation with CCTV and zero tolerance would help a lot! Again goes back to education, but no one has an excuse to not comply or keep up to date with the rules and regulations, be they 17 or 110 years old! 

 

 

No overtaking for trucks between certain hours, the norm on the continent.

 

 

Not the norm on the continent in such a blunt fashion. It is controlled between certain posted hours on certain stretches, like around congestion hot spots, large junctions and through/around cities. Not over entire countries motorway networks. In these zones large vehicles start to bunch up and with a hill what use is it being in a lorry 20 back behind a heavy wagon down to 40mph and your down to 30 or likewise on a level stretch once your far enough down the line, this is why it's only for stretches. Then multiply this by the length of a road like the M6 which is 230miles long............ Such suggestions only works in car drivers most important person on the roads, heads.  

 

 

 

Convoi Exeptionel? Make 'em go on the motorways after 9pm and off before 7am.

 

 

 

'Convoi Exceptionnel' For the rules to be that abnormal loads can only be moved in complete darkness is......... silly. Good visibility is fairly important and sometimes vital for certain such loads. 

 

 

Overall though with regards to the entire thing, PCV / LGV's are on the road at great expense and 99.9% of which are there commercially which are the backbone of our entire way of life. They are not on the roads taking up space because they fancy a drive, are too lazy to walk, too anti social to car share, too adverse to using public transport or just fancy doing it for fun. There are not many work places where random dangerous morons get to mess about all around you constantly day after day and then getting abuse from them for being there slowing the lemmings down in their car (which arrived on a lorry), their petrol or diesel in tank (which arrived in a lorry), their shopping (which arrived in a lorry) and the shirt on their back (which arrived in a lorry).......... Slow them down, regulate them any more than they already are and the price of everything you own increases overnight. The very fact of congestions caused by morons on UK roads already costs us more for everything we buy! 

 

Car drivers are and always have been the primary issue. Need to sort themselves before going near professional drivers TBH.