Got to admit, if I'm in no rush and I'm buying the fuel, I quite often pick a wagon to sit behind and do 56mph.

that ****es me off.

cant stand it when someone does that. I slow down.

cant stand a car sitting behind me. I am limited to 49.5 mph tho so its even worse.

It can be dangerous!

Last year coming home from castle Combe I was entering the motorway from a services, so started accelerating. Car in front was going slow, so had to brake, then brake some more. Dopey moo was entering the motorway at 30mph! I almost came to a stop on the slip road to allow myself some run up to enter the motorway at a sensible speed

lol get this all the time. I refuse to move over to let them out when in my truck. Either put your f in foot down or slow down. Lol

seems to me that there a huge case for being taught how to drive on the motorway. It escapes me why this tuition isn't mandatory as it is in Germany IIRC.

Minimum speed limit lanes perhaps?

No overtaking for trucks between certain hours, the norm on the continent.

Convoi Exeptionel? Make 'em go on the motorways after 9pm and off before 7am.

There, that's that one sorted

lol

unless you drive a truck you cant comment. Do that and you wont be able to go shopping or buy most the things you want. Deliveries wouldnt work.

most the stuff that sells in the uk is shipped by lorry.

its more the fact car drivers are uneducated in the visibility and drivability of lorries. The space they need and how the react.

Its worth a truck doing 2mph more overtaking as drivers drive upto 4.5 hrs at a time meaning that that drop of speed looses the driver upto 9 miles which can be around 11-12 mins ish?

Thats a lot

minutes and miles all count

If I'm in no rush to get anywhere and the road is quiet, then yes I will sit in ~100yds behind a truck at their speed on m/way. Would you rather I spent 3 weeks in L2 making a lmph differential speed overtake?

When travelling on the motorways I always try to let a truck out if he needs to over take.  They need to keep their speed up other wise it takes an age to get back to speed again.  

 

you only loose a minute or so  

When travelling on the motorways I always try to let a truck out if he needs to over take.  They need to keep their speed up other wise it takes an age to get back to speed again.  

 

you only loose a minute or so  

Doesn't that require the trucker to give a right signal in good time? You know something before the point where he needs to steer or brake.

I tried sitting with the lorries once. It bored the hell out of me, and i felt vulnerable too.

In the car 70-80mph is comfortably making progress, so i sit at ghat most the time.

On the bike however, i dont like to linger around the same cars for too long, so ill cruise 80-95mph.

Usually overtaking most things at that speed, apart from the odd brave business man in an audi, or a 17 year old just about flat out in his saxo lol.

Not just the lorries....March 2012 I was going up to Silverstone on the M40 and about 400m ahead saw a car beetle out of the slip road into the slow lane. Ok.

 

Then it beetled out into the middle lane which was doing 75-ish - where I saw the speedo as I thought 'Argh!'.  Except it was doing 40. And it 'beetled out' when I was very close.

 

I am sure the two old dears inside simply had no idea that they'd arrived in the middle lane doing 40 since they were very suprised when I flashed them to suggest that they speed up or move over before the nex person afte me arrived in their back seats.

 

However I did discover the Octys' brakes really did work, even if we were almost standing on the nose

Doesn't that require the trucker to give a right signal in good time? You know something before the point where he needs to steer or brake.

 

It does and most do   :yes:

Doesn't that require the trucker to give a right signal in good time? You know something before the point where he needs to steer or brake.

if on a busy mway and I need to overtake I start indicating when a car starts to come along side. Might then let the following car past. If the next doesnt ease off ill start moving over to the line and sit there. Normally I time it right so I am a car or 2 behind the obstruction to pass with minimal hold ups. Same when a lane goes off. Hate ignorant car drivers that dont understand a truck wont just accelerate or stop in some cases.

also cars dont seem to realise that a lorry will stop a lot faster than they will with little to no load on board.

end of the day if you get overtaken by a tesco lorry you really shouldnt be on the road!

It does and most do   :yes:

 

It's OK, as far as Ken is concerned all bus/hgv drivers dont use indicators. 

Edited 14 April, 201412 yr by matt1chelski

Somehow posted in the wrong thread.......... 

 

My work here is done :P 

Its worth a truck doing 2mph more overtaking as drivers drive upto 4.5 hrs at a time meaning that that drop of speed looses the driver upto 9 miles which can be around 11-12 mins ish?

Thats a lot

minutes and miles all count

 

That would probably be why I very rarely encounter a truck which is sticking to the speed limit, and why a large number of trucks have speed limiters which are set significantly higher than the mandated 90 kph.  The reality is that most truckers have only two speeds, they are either stationary or they are riding the limiter regardless of the road they are on.

 

We don't have motorways in this part of the country, the A30 is mainly dual carriageway with odd stretches of single carriageway.  Therefore the highest speed any truck should be travelling at is 50 mph.  That will be the day, they are all going at whatever speed their limiter is set to.  In some cases that is about 100 kph (by the way I can recognise the difference between a 7.5 tonne vehicle and an LGV).  Even on the single carriageway sections they will be on the limiter, 15 to 20 per cent over the limit.

 

I know that some supermarket trucks have lower limiter speeds, but by no means all.  Even Tesco seem to be moving away from their 50 mph stance, if the newer ones I have been encountering at speeds over 60 mph (on a slight upgrade so it wasn't gravity assisted) are anything to go by.

 

It's true to say that we don't notice the good drivers on the road whilst we certainly notice the not so good ones, but there are a goodly number of very poorly driven trucks out there.

 

The reality is that many trucking companies encourage (even require?) their drivers to routinely break the law.  I know that some take the opposite attitude, but we don't seem to encounter many of them down here.

 

As for not being able to comment if we don't drive a truck, that strikes me as an exceptionally arrogant statement.  We all share the roads, we all have an interest in being safe, I reckon that gives us every right to comment.

70 is a limit not a target I was always taught

70 is a limit not a target I was always taught

 

Except you can fail your driving test for not making progress without a good reason. You're expected to try and keep up to the limit.

I had a nice drive out today, cruise control set to 55mph for 20 miles or so.  This was in course of following the instructions on regenerating a DPF, so uou can blame the vehicle manufacturer for that and not the driver

That would probably be why I very rarely encounter a truck which is sticking to the speed limit, and why a large number of trucks have speed limiters which are set significantly higher than the mandated 90 kph.  The reality is that most truckers have only two speeds, they are either stationary or they are riding the limiter regardless of the road they are on.

 

We don't have motorways in this part of the country, the A30 is mainly dual carriageway with odd stretches of single carriageway.  Therefore the highest speed any truck should be travelling at is 50 mph.  That will be the day, they are all going at whatever speed their limiter is set to.  In some cases that is about 100 kph (by the way I can recognise the difference between a 7.5 tonne vehicle and an LGV).  Even on the single carriageway sections they will be on the limiter, 15 to 20 per cent over the limit.

 

I know that some supermarket trucks have lower limiter speeds, but by no means all.  Even Tesco seem to be moving away from their 50 mph stance, if the newer ones I have been encountering at speeds over 60 mph (on a slight upgrade so it wasn't gravity assisted) are anything to go by.

 

It's true to say that we don't notice the good drivers on the road whilst we certainly notice the not so good ones, but there are a goodly number of very poorly driven trucks out there.

 

The reality is that many trucking companies encourage (even require?) their drivers to routinely break the law.  I know that some take the opposite attitude, but we don't seem to encounter many of them down here.

 

As for not being able to comment if we don't drive a truck, that strikes me as an exceptionally arrogant statement.  We all share the roads, we all have an interest in being safe, I reckon that gives us every right to comment.

 

 

The UK speed limits for LGV's is so out of date it's unreal! The 40mph limit on a single carriageway is the slowest in Europe! Set long before air brakes / disc&air / ABS and a host of other new stability and braking aids. Personally I think it should be 80kph like most other countries. If all lorries did sit at 40mph you know exactly the type of dangerous risky overtaking which would ensue from car drivers. Drivers unions have in the past campaigned for drivers to obey the almost 100% ignored limit to strangle the entire country to gain support for it to be revised. It is absolutely crazy that I can legally only drive a 7.5 ton lorry at 40mph but when in a coach with 60 odd souls on board I can do 50mph on same road. 

The rules are the rules, black & white. But what do you personally think of the 40mph limit in this day and age? 

Except you can fail your driving test for not making progress without a good reason. You're expected to try and keep up to the limit.

Eh, that may be the case during at test, but as limit is just that. The maximums you are legally allowed to go. While I would accept that someone travelling at 30 on a motorway is a problem, I certainly don't see 50 or 60 as an issue. The biggest killer on our roads is an always has been impatience.

the difference in 52mph limiter passing a more likely 56mph limited lorry is after 4.5 hours driving before first rest 18 miles further and 32 miles by end of day. That is a fairly substantial distance to loose in a day. Drivers of large vehicles in the UK are the most courteous you will find anywhere in Europe and likely the world. A large vehicle used the slip stream of the vehicle in front and pulls out later than you would in a car and they communicate with each other via lights when vehicle is clear and safe to pull back in but also close! This is not done for the sheer love of being too close to the vehicle in front or the overtaken vehicles desire to have a giant wall right in front of them as soon as a vehicle has passed them. It increases flow. 

But as for the hours on ends it takes. If a truck passes another with 2mph greater speed it will only take 15 seconds to clear it and get back in. You ironically are prob more noticing the overtakes which are 1/10th of a mph difference in speed which may take a lot longer. The biggest thing that delays an overtake is the gradient changing then a heavier but higher limited truck loosing speed slowly etc. 

 

People then complain that large vehicles get too close to each other............ Imagine if the same 1/10thmph faster lorry was to pass the lorry in front pulling out 100 feet earlier and going back in 100 feet later increasing the average overtake stretch from 75feet to closer to 300. 

 

 

Its worth a truck doing 2mph more overtaking as drivers drive upto 4.5 hrs at a time meaning that that drop of speed looses the driver upto 9 miles which can be around 11-12 mins ish?

Thats a lot

minutes and miles all count

 

Getting to your destination at the sacrifice of safety or courteousness is not an excuse in my opinion.

 

I appreciate lorry drivers hours are limited by the number of hours they can drive and that the quicker they get to their job the more money they earn etc. but just because they drive a vehicle with a limited top speed doesn't excuse inconsiderate driving.

 

It's like me trying to justify bad driving by saying that I didn't want to be late to work.

 

To my original point, if a lorry doing 52mph is following a lorry doing 54mph on a busy fast flowing dual carriageway then please stay in position.

Edited 14 April, 201412 yr by silver1011

that ****es me off.cant stand it when someone does that. I slow down.cant stand a car sitting behind me. I am limited to 49.5 mph tho so its even worse.

Why's that?

Because steves I cant see them. I know their there as I saw them close up fairly fast. But then to sit behind me when I am doing 50 after flying up to me makes me feel uneasy. Mind even when walking I hate people behind me.

silver.

you have miss understood what I said. Yes its not right to be ignorant or dangerouse but if that lorry doing 54 has the room to pull out safely to pass the one doing 52 then why should he sit behind? Its not going to kill you waitinga few seconds for him to pass. If done right you should spot the lorry might want to pull out. Also have enought space to simply lift and coast saving fuel and you shouldnt be in such a rush anyway.

I always cruise in my car. Faster than lorries but not quite the limit so it gives me ample speed to pass in a matter of seconds but still be eco on fuel and not stressing and rushing meaning I am calm when I get to my destination.

85-90mph is the best motorway speed.

Sitting at 75-80 bugs my balls in as your forever having to wait for someone to overtake you at 1mph faster.

Sit at 85-90 and you don't have to pull out as your doing the fastest speed (well most of the time)

Awaits a flaming

oh jesus dont start this debate, i did this and got branded a hooligan just because i feel comfortable i higher speed. 

85-90mph is the best motorway speed.

Sitting at 75-80 bugs my balls in as your forever having to wait for someone to overtake you at 1mph faster.

Sit at 85-90 and you don't have to pull out as your doing the fastest speed (well most of the time)

Awaits a flaming

I always find being the second quickest in any given stretch of motorway has served me well for many years.

oh jesus dont start this debate, i did this and got branded a hooligan just because i feel comfortable i higher speed.

Be proud of your 'inner hooligan'