I'd gone 8 years with nothing, always been careful but pushed when safe to and this year I've been pulled 3 times in the same county. All involving what the officer thought was excessive speed. The first two I held my hands up to as it was after work, I was tired and I wanted to get home. No excuse really but now I'm doing the sensible things of leaving more time to get to and from work now, even if it means even less bed time and of course slowing down. For the distances I do it's a no brainer as it saves a fortune in fuel.  

The last time was because I'd caught him up through a series of bends so in his opinion I must have been speeding. It's a 60 stretch which I keep to 60 as a few have had accidents lately. if you get the lines right it's easy to hold 60 through most of the bends in the vRS so I didn't see a problem with it. Visibility is pretty good and I'll always keep to my side of the road unless there's good line of sight.

But I really didn't know I wasn't allowed to carry speed through bends. I thought that was normal and I've always hated drivers who slow right down for simple corners. Being a small area it's the second time he stopped me so he said next time it's points, even mentioned court. Said how he can track me all the way home thanks to cameras going into Swansea. He'd work out my speed between points to see what I'm doing but surely they can't prosecute you with that? If they could they'd be booking thousands of people a day?

Either way I'll have to slow down even more. Speed limits I do stick to especially in 30's but if I'm not allowed to corner at the road speed either I may as well sell it...

They can estimate your speed between 2 points but without video evidence he may be ****ing in the wind ! , he may just be measuring his Richard and trying to be a big man ?

If he means average speed cameras then yes he can. We have had them on the A77 and various bits of M74 roadworks for some years now. If he means security type cctv then I think he may be trying to give you a fright.

Why don't you heed the warning, sounds as like he may have treated you with common sense so far.

You say you push on safely through the bends but maybe the officer knows a wee bit more than you do and is talking from experience.

What about deer, horse riders(under 18's should not be on the road IMHO), cyclists, stray farm animals etc etc.

What do the white lines on the road display?

Maybe with the attitude you portray then yes sell it and buy something more sedentary.

The photo in your avatar may say a lot more about your driving style than you have told us.

Edited 22 April, 201412 yr by loskie

If the NSL max is 60 mph ( Maximum you are allowed) and you are never going above 60 mph in your vehicle, no matter what distance they measure you over, then it is imposable to be above the NSL, Average speed or any speed.

'Must have been', is not 'was doing'.

If you are over the NSL of 30 mph, then that will be that when they measure your speed in that area.

 

george

I feel for you mate as I have had a similar thing happen to me.

10 Years with nothing and then 3 mobile cameras in the last year and only just over the limit.

I was in areas I didn't know very but as I drive a lot of miles its going to happen.

I suppose for me getting caught speeding 3 times in 600,000 is not too bad.

 

it could be that he was watching you as you followed him and he did not like your road position when going around the corners.

Edited 22 April, 201412 yr by ruffday

Been pulled 3 times myself in 12months for nothing other than my face doesnt fit the car. Not been bothered for a while now though. If it was me, i would carry on doing as your doing and if the same officer tugs you again, take his details and suggest he learns the rules of the road properly.

Also, im guessing you already know this going off your post count on this forum.. But the place is full of people who never break the speed limit, drive like nuns and take zero risks.. Just pointing it out because the boring ****s have started already ^^

I'm sorry but he can't prosecute you for carrying 60mph through bends. He could say you were not driving with due care and attention but that's chalk and cheese. I'm sure a flat panda may struggle to hold the 60mph and May tyre squeel and go off line. However, if your vehicle is capable of holding that speed in a controlled manner then I see no fault. However I'm sure he will!

I wouldnt worry. Just because you happened to catch him up through some bends does not mean you were either speeding or driving without due care.

As long as you dont stray too far over the limit i cant see you getting in any trouble.

So again BrownBarge goes for a dig at me,

 who never said anything about never braking speed limits or having to drive like a Nun,

Only answered this thread about a Police Person and Average speeds.

Unfortunately some police are very good and some are not so good.

Some go on their opinion rather than the actual facts, we get this quite a bit.

 

Simple fact is, talk is cheap.

If you are not breaking the speed limit he can spend as many hours as he likes looking at video footage.

 

Mentioning court etc... is just scare tactics.

Unless he is going to try and push for driving without due care and attention.  Which will be difficult to prove.

 

But you have to ask yourself if slowing a little will save the hassle.

 

Late night runs and track days are popular for a reason...

Give some sheeple a uniform and a badge, and they think have something to prove.

Seems like you got one here.

 

Ignore. You weren't speeding, and any more harassment from the *****, you take him to court instead......and some of them wonder and are puzzled as to why the majority of us hate many of them.

 

Was he wearing his Rae Bans and fingers tucked into hi flak jacket too whilst lecturing you btw? :think:

Edited 22 April, 201412 yr by Mr Ree

So again BrownBarge goes for a dig at me,

It was a dig at loskie, you just happened to post before i did and what do you mean, again?

Dont recall digging at you before?

Been pulled 3 times myself in 12months for nothing other than my face doesnt fit the car. Not been bothered for a while now though. If it was me, i would carry on doing as your doing and if the same officer tugs you again, take his details and suggest he learns the rules of the road properly.

Also, im guessing you already know this going off your post count on this forum.. But the place is full of people who never break the speed limit, drive like nuns and take zero risks.. Just pointing it out because the boring ****s have started already ^^

 

 

 I thought you ascertained there was an information marker on the car and that's the reason you were being pulled?

 

 

To the OP I wouldn't be overly worried- if you're within the law then he hasn't got much to be going on. 

Long and short of it is that he has to offer proof of a breach of the law to carry forward any prosecution.

If you're sure you weren't speeding then he's just pulling your plonk and justifying his own existance.

 

My only concern would be if he can offer up any sort of on the spot penalty. i.e. the only way to argue against it is to go to court even if he's talking BS.

I wouldnt be too bothered tbh.

As long as you arent breaking the speed limit, hes going to have a hard time proving youve done anything wrong in court, just because you went around a corner faster than his crappy panda car could.

If he stops you again for a similar thing, id tell him youll see him in court. I dont think hes got enough of a case for it even to get there.

Plus. I hear of people making formal complaints towards officers for harassment? I dont know much about that, but this guy certainly seems to have a thing for you

It was a dig at loskie, you just happened to post before i did and what do you mean, again?

Dont recall digging at you before?

Dig away. Never once did I suggest that I am an angel what I will do though is admit if I am in the wrong hold my hands up and say "it's a fair cop guv".

Remember there are always 2 sides to a story, we are just hearing one here, one that may well be 100% accurate but on the other hand one that may be very biased.

The copper that pulled the OP did not ticket him but used common sense and gave advice, that should be applauded. If the OP does not heed the advice and further down the line falls foul of the law then that is his lookout.

In 26 years of driving I have been done for speeding 3 times, all my own fault, each time I was dealt with in a very civil manner by the police even the first time as a 17 yr old on my DT125.

 

It's a pitty there's not a wee clicky for dislike as well as like. I am sure that one would be well used.

Edited 22 April, 201412 yr by loskie

If you were following him the only way he could report you would be on your catch up speed using VASCAR if they still use it clocking you over two fixed points, this is difficult to do and the circumstances occur very rarely. I would imagine he has seen you catch up to him quickly therefore presuming you were speeding. This may have been a good reason for a stop, but a warning that catching police vehicles up to quickly will obviously draw there attention so it may be a good idea not to do it. But to put the frighteners on is stupid and counterproductive just makes the the public more anti police.

I'd love to be a "victim" of this and bring out some of my Rospa training  eg: Limit point opening out, etc. If the view is clear then 60mph around a corner shouldn't be a problem.

I don't think they are a bad officer or are trying to measure their manhood. I'd take it for what it is, a police officer who has stopped you once before where you've admitted you were driving over the speed limit and he let you off, and now a second where you've held your speed (possibly excessive speed but who knows, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) through corners and caught up with them a bit too quickly so he's likely recognised you and given you a bit of a telling off to try and get you to calm down, he's following the standard three step approach that I've done in the past, educate, warn, prosecute.

Instead of users crying on how they need evidence I'd just man up, take the *******ing and move on.

I'd love to be a "victim" of this and bring out some of my Rospa training eg: Limit point opening out, etc. If the view is clear then 60mph around a corner shouldn't be a problem.

You could try that but since even a standard officer has done a higher version that you can do in civie street I'd suggest you'd be on the loosing end.

I don't mind taking a rollocking when I deserve it, but if I didn't deserve it I would feel a little aggrieved, which is fair enough.

 

t'is a fair cop when caught actually doing something wrong.   We all take that risk potentially - I am no saint and will happily admit to bending certain rules when I feel it is safe to do so.  I wouldn't own my car if I didn't I fear....

You could try that but since even a standard officer has done a higher version that you can do in civie street I'd suggest you'd be on the loosing end.

 

Agree with this!  Not that I've been pulled over for a long time (luckily ) but I would sooner eat humble pie (even if not really done anything wrong so much) and get the talking to over and done with, and be on my way, than try and argue and potentially get the PC's back up.

Not so sure on the high standard of training, or if it is the driving standards of some after training.

 

On the A77 last month, heading North from Prestwick. (Dutch House Roundabout)

 

Single file Traffic works, up the Stretch of normally 50 mph average speed cameras,

it was down to 40 mph for the road works.

The Light Delivery van that had tailgated various cars between Ayr and here was now in front of me doing 45-50, catching up with cars up the contraflow.

 

So up the hill we go,  a line of traffic further on, me last in the line.

As we go on i see the Black BMW Estate parked up on a road to the left.

I know it is an Unmarked.

 

So i watch it come out an follow,

We go out of the Road Works at 40 mph,

then past the last Average Speed Camera, then into the 70 mph limit.

 

So the wee blue van goes off, and i take it up to 70 mph catching him up but sticking below the limit.

expecting a stop from the BMW.

 

So he has to follow me at 70, as i follow the Blue Van at a safe distance,  Inside Lane.

Along side comes the BMW, and i look at them, they look at me.

 

Go past, then no indicator, Blue Lights on,  no stop sign.

Cut in on me, and there they are right in front, no stopping distance,

so i slowed as they pull the Blue Van in.

 

I followed into the layby.

The Police Passenger gets out and ignores me. He goes to the Blue Van.

I went to the Black BMW Police car and asked the total muppet what he was playing at.

He looked surprised, he could see no problem.

 

So the Blue Van driver was on his mobile.

& that was that.

A Police Car cuts off a driver minding his own business.

 

I have his Car Number and the Video.

No harm done this time, others might not be so lucky with that Highly Trained Driver next time.

 

george

I thought you ascertained there was an information marker on the car and that's the reason you were being pulled?

To the OP I wouldn't be overly worried- if you're within the law then he hasn't got much to be going on.

The 3rd time yes, as he was a traffic officer. The first 2 times were local officers in non anpr equiped cars who just felt i shouldnt driving that car.

Unfortunately some police are very good and some are not so good.

Some go on their opinion rather than the actual facts, we get this quite a bit.

 

Simple fact is, talk is cheap.

If you are not breaking the speed limit he can spend as many hours as he likes looking at video footage.

 

Mentioning court etc... is just scare tactics.

Unless he is going to try and push for driving without due care and attention.  Which will be difficult to prove.

 

But you have to ask yourself if slowing a little will save the hassle.

 

Late night runs and track days are popular for a reason...

My commute to work starts at 3.30am so roads are dead. The time I go home varies. Lately it's been more sensible but has been anything up to 11pm where again roads are dead and safe to push on. My problem is now I know the road so well I can take corners and good speeds but all at the limit. But like in this case I've caught him a lot quicker than he thought I would.

 

I'd love to be a "victim" of this and bring out some of my Rospa training  eg: Limit point opening out, etc. If the view is clear then 60mph around a corner shouldn't be a problem.

I haven't been trained but the urge was strong to say something. When I came out of the final bend when I caught him he reckoned he could see that I'd almost lost the front end. Funny when it's a left hand bend that opens out and I was barely on the throttle. But of course they know best.

He mentioned if he wanted he could go and check my clock out time to see if I had been speeding. My average speed in the car was 38mph. I didn't have the Blackvue in as I'd taken it all out for when it comes to sell. I did that 2 months ago and never put it back. His face would have been a picture if I had shown him that.

 

It just annoys me when they assume that every driver is uneducated. I know lots aren't but my car is always legal, tyres always above 3mm, etc and I do take pride in my driving and especially good lines. A few have had crashes on that road over the last few months and one girl died but I don't class it has a particularly dangerous road. When it's dry and clear it's good. One corner is dodgy but that's because of road surface but even that is clearable at 60mph.

I mentioned a few bikers had died this weekend and it seemed to strike a nerve. Straightaway he got on the defensive. If he had actually read my licence he'd have seen I hold a full bike licence so I was being sincere.