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If a road is 60 and you can do 60 on a bend in your car then you can perfectly legally do 60. Simple as that.

 

Nope, very not simple. Physical grip is one thing, being able to see and react to events is quite another.

Nope, very not simple. Physical grip is one thing, being able to see and react to events is quite another.

Right. So you can't do 60 in a 60 then?

Pretty obvious to me that if your car is capable and vis good then it's perfectly fine.

What do I know though, I'm iam trained and used to get told off for not doing the speed limit and reasons why I should be doing it when conditions allow.

Maybe that's why I get so wound up with people on the road driving like morons because people can follow simple rules or know how to drive and control a vehicle properly.

Yet on here someone questions why the got stopped for driving within the law and everyone who agrees gets lambasted and takes everything so literally.

Do you honestly think that I'm going to be doing 60 on a tight left hander with ice on the road? Have some common sense and put into context what I'm saying FFs.

The fact that you were carrying more speed through the corners than the vast majority of other road users made you stand out and justifies the pull.

 

Life's too short, slow down a little, keep your head down and enjoy the scenery.

Did you seriously say "Driving above or below the modal (possibly should be median) speed for the road means that you are acting suspiciously"?

 

I used to walk at 4mph when by myself, so how come no-one ever stopped me for acting suspiciously in a shopping area then?

Right. So you can't do 60 in a 60 then?

Pretty obvious to me that if your car is capable and vis good then it's perfectly fine.

 

 

When I got advanced trained I was told you should always be able to stop in the distance you can see.

 

And to clarify a point made by someone else regarding justification for the police to "pull" a car over; they don't need any. The simple fact that you're driving a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road is enough for them to stop you.

Martyn I wouldn't be too worried, if you know you are safe and not breaking any laws. Your blackvue would be a handy thing to have to reassure yourself of this and perhaps protect yourself on the off chance any less than strictly professional attention would come your way. But I read your post / experience as pretty normal and reassuring as much as anything else. With serious accident's on the road, the Police with some training above that of a standard licence holder observe you and can see you are making faster progress and merely have a word. They don't know you personally and don't drive with you, they can only go off what they see and their professional opinion. Hoping to educate and not have to deal with another statistic seeing terrible things and having to knock on a family members door etc. I would just take it as responsible proactive policing. 

 

Knowing a road well and deciding as a driver in control of a vehicle how to negotiate it, is often in a manor in which you would not dare do so on a driving test. If you agree with that, regardless of it being perfectly safe, controlled and technically legal, you must understand the reasoning and justification to be stopped. Any advanced training any driver undertakes is a good thing and absolutely no one can claim to be the perfect driver on the roads, even IAM is better than nothing. I would highly recommend undertaking any form of advanced tuition and assessment to any driver, especially an enthusiast as they already enjoy driving and can gain so much more from it. With a genuine interest more so than some moron doing it merely to try and get 5% knocked off their insurance, or go around claiming to be a super special 'advanced' driver. ROSPA over IAM IMO if you ever did think of it as a good base introduction. The ability to have a good conversation with a police officer when stopped as you were, which you can discuss your progress and control of the vehicle, road positioning etc would likely reassure them as to your stance and education as a road user. Unfortunately the mere mention of road craft seems to scare some off, which I find disheartening.   

 

 

Without any video footage of the journey up until the subsequent stop, it is totally fruitless for anyone to speculate on speed or driving standards at the time or any other time. It's always such a shame when someone posts a genuine thread and then ends up having to defend themselves from others assumptions based on zero facts. So many people send PM's and ask things like this in private on here because they know what sort of reception likely awaits, it's a real shame! 

 

 

Without any video footage of the journey up until the subsequent stop, it is totally fruitless for anyone to speculate on speed or driving standards at the time or any other time. It's always such a shame when someone posts a genuine thread and then ends up having to defend themselves from others assumptions based on zero facts. So many people send PM's and ask things like this in private on here because they know what sort of reception likely awaits, it's a real shame! 

 

 

Indeed, don't I know it too. :think:

 

Thanks for all yours in the past too Furbie my good man.

 

Reminds me, my inbox is nearly full.

Edited 24 April, 201412 yr by Mr Ree

Did you seriously say "Driving above or below the modal (possibly should be median) speed for the road means that you are acting suspiciously"?

 

I used to walk at 4mph when by myself, so how come no-one ever stopped me for acting suspiciously in a shopping area then?

 

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.

 

You don't have to exceed the speed limit to be driving too fast (or in your words suspiciously, whatever that means), or in this case to be perceived to be driving too fast.

 

No seatbelt, blown bulb, travelling faster than everyone else, the list is endless. The Police do not need a reason to pull you over.

 

However, making yourself stand out from the crowd by approaching a police car from behind through a series of bends at speed means that you are more likely to get pulled over.

Indeed, don't I know it too. :think:

 

Thanks for all yours in the past too Furbie my good man.

 

Reminds me, my inbox is nearly full.

 

Any time Mr Ree, you have your own folder  

Martyn I wouldn't be too worried, if you know you are safe and not breaking any laws. Your blackvue would be a handy thing to have to reassure yourself of this and perhaps protect yourself on the off chance any less than strictly professional attention would come your way. But I read your post / experience as pretty normal and reassuring as much as anything else. With serious accident's on the road, the Police with some training above that of a standard licence holder observe you and can see you are making faster progress and merely have a word. They don't know you personally and don't drive with you, they can only go off what they see and their professional opinion. Hoping to educate and not have to deal with another statistic seeing terrible things and having to knock on a family members door etc. I would just take it as responsible proactive policing.

 

Knowing a road well and deciding as a driver in control of a vehicle how to negotiate it, is often in a manor in which you would not dare do so on a driving test. If you agree with that, regardless of it being perfectly safe, controlled and technically legal, you must understand the reasoning and justification to be stopped. Any advanced training any driver undertakes is a good thing and absolutely no one can claim to be the perfect driver on the roads, even IAM is better than nothing. I would highly recommend undertaking any form of advanced tuition and assessment to any driver, especially an enthusiast as they already enjoy driving and can gain so much more from it. With a genuine interest more so than some moron doing it merely to try and get 5% knocked off their insurance, or go around claiming to be a super special 'advanced' driver. ROSPA over IAM IMO if you ever did think of it as a good base introduction. The ability to have a good conversation with a police officer when stopped as you were, which you can discuss your progress and control of the vehicle, road positioning etc would likely reassure them as to your stance and education as a road user. Unfortunately the mere mention of road craft seems to scare some off, which I find disheartening.

 

 

Without any video footage of the journey up until the subsequent stop, it is totally fruitless for anyone to speculate on speed or driving standards at the time or any other time. It's always such a shame when someone posts a genuine thread and then ends up having to defend themselves from others assumptions based on zero facts. So many people send PM's and ask things like this in private on here because they know what sort of reception likely awaits, it's a real shame!

 

Fubar hope is all well with you and yours,, watching from the sidelines on this one but feel I need to post up...totally agree with most of your comments and very valid they are too. The coppers are only doing thier job at the end of the day. The last point you made,..again valid.. though the OP has clearly posted that he was making progress before being stopped. he has also admiitted to speeding on two previous occasions. Whilst I understand the irritation  of the do gooders posting up, what I don't understand is the point of the OP critising the BiB when he has driven in a way, arguably illegal or otherwise that has bought him to their attention. It almost as if he's testing them out or goading them.

 

I am not going to critise the op's driving style, though to drive like a knob, attract attention then moan about it after is  a bit pathetic. Again by the OP's own volition its not an isolated occurance, Grow up and either drive sensibly or die by the sword if you get caught driving like a bell end and stop winging about it. If you were looking for someone to say "there there" try the samaritans.

 

One last thing I've apsolutely no sympathy for anyone that speeds or indeed dies as as a result of reckless and dangerous driving,(god help you if you kill someone else in the process) one less knob jockey on the road as far as I'm concerned, To note I'm far from a saint when going about my business, so the above applies to me equally.

 

Briskoda is not is unique in its acceptance of of posts like these,..I'm very active in another forum where the emphasis is on getting out and driving. There are certain things you just don't post about, which include speeding dangerous driving and police related incidents along with accidents. At the end of the day none of this is big funny or clever..

In my opinion - It's all about the targets. Every time they catch someone speeding or taking a **** that's another "crime solved". Far more cost effective than dealing with scary villans to hit your targets. 

As an ex traffic police sergeant I have read the pages entailed and agree and Strongly disagree with some.

Yes officers do have performance indicators to hit and justify their 30 k a year job. Also entailed within that are officers with experience and, sadly those without. Some come into the police and traffic department with a bad attitude. I would also tell my officers to be fair but friendly too. Not in a detrimental way but in a way YOU would like to be spoken too.

I can't comment about the particular incident that has occurred but can remember trying to keep up with Subaru impreza in my unmarked 3.2 vectra and nearby ending up on my roof!!! Similar the man said he drove the road 3 or 4 times a day, but admitted exceeding the national speed limit by a considerable margin. Result?? Words of advice and a 60 fine and 3 points. Member of the public happy and I was happy....

Andy

What you've put there sounds spot on, and reminds me of the bloke who taught me to drive properly (rather than to DSA standards). He was a retired traffic sgt of the old school, and he admitted when he finished that he felt like one of a dying breed as dealt with "people" whereas everyone else dealt with "offenders". 

On my last appraisal prior to being put out to pasture I was called a dinosaur, fair made me proud it did! I don't think my bursting into laughter was the intended reaction either.

Ha ha don't worry their loss. An experienced officer with years of skills not to mention commonsense!! We used to call them old bums, or words to that effect!!

Ok then.

The first stop back in January was a 1/4 mile stretch where it goes 60, 50, 60. It was 4 in the morning, I lifted off for the 50, speed slowed but was pulled for what the cop thought was me going "too fast". Probably suspicious as it was so early too so it was an understandable pulling.

The second stop was I'd come out of work which is an estate on a 60 road where I turn left. I glanced right and there was nothing coming. Pulled out and accelerated quite hard up to 60 and made my way through the next series of bends. Come up to a small village where the limit first drops to 50 then to 40. I lifted, started to brake and then on came the blue lights behind me where he'd caught me up. Pulled me over, pretty much for coming out of work too quick, accelerating hard up to the limit and what he thought was excessive speed. Engine was warm so there were no issues with doing that.

 

The third stop was as I've said where I caught him up through the bends. About a mile before I'd seen him pass a car and he rounded a bend. I passed the same car on the next straight and went through the bends at 60. It's easy to do even in the Swift. He indicates and pulls over, I slow down to about 30, indicate and pass him and then he stuck his lights on and said all what I've already said.

 

I'm not going to pretend that I've never done wrong like some on here. I don't go jumping bridges in my Fabia for a start... Some on here really do like burning people at the stake but again I should have known better than to mention any of this on here. Now the car is known quite a few have said to get rid of it especially if I'm always in that area. I will be selling soon but hardly a practical solution.

And that profile pic isn't mine. It's from a road test back in (I think) 2004.

Right. So you can't do 60 in a 60 then?

Pretty obvious to me that if your car is capable and vis good then it's perfectly fine.

What do I know though, I'm iam trained and used to get told off for not doing the speed limit and reasons why I should be doing it when conditions allow.

Maybe that's why I get so wound up with people on the road driving like morons because people can follow simple rules or know how to drive and control a vehicle properly.

Yet on here someone questions why the got stopped for driving within the law and everyone who agrees gets lambasted and takes everything so literally.

Do you honestly think that I'm going to be doing 60 on a tight left hander with ice on the road? Have some common sense and put into context what I'm saying FFs.

 

"If a road is 60 and you can do 60 on a bend in your car then you can perfectly legally do 60. Simple as that."

 

That sentence reads like a challenge to test the limits of the road rather than the mellow level headedness one would expect the IAM strives to imbue in its members. 

 

I pointed it out in case others get the wrong idea.

 

J.

"I'm not going to pretend that I've never done wrong like some on here. "  Quote

 

I do not think anyone has claimed to do no wrong.

What I have claimed is yes if you do mess up whether it is through stupidity, bravado or carelessness then take it on the chin, heed warnings and adjust what you are doing accordingly.

A concept you have found hard to grasp judging by further posts about continued driving prowess through this series of bends.

Unfortunately this forum, sorry some members of this forum often brands those that post views different from their own as TROLLS.

Surely if one posts on a forum they have to accept there will be a wide range of views, some balanced, some in agreement, some not and some by people who clearly do not really know what they are talking about but are not willing to accept that. The last point is not a dig at the OP but many of those who claim to have an expert knowledge of the law. 

Edited 25 April, 201412 yr by loskie

I'd bet a hell of a lot that he could carry a damn site more speed through corners than you can should the need arise!

It's not against the law to over rev your engine when cold, it's your car!! As to accelerating to the speed limit of the road there is nothing in law how you achieve the speed limit as long as it's safe... Obviously blasting to 100 then slowing is clear not allowed and illegal. It's the same entering a change in speed limits. The set speed should be adhere to prior to passing the sign, not taking your foot off the accelerator!!

Legal or not, doing a full throttle start and accellerating hard up to the speed limit is exactly the sort of thing that will attract the attention of the police.

And I believe the actual term generally used is "inappropriate speed", which is undefinable as such, but easily justified.

Legal or not, doing a full throttle start and accellerating hard up to the speed limit is exactly the sort of thing that will attract the attention of the police.

It wasn't literally a full bore, pedal to the board start with the wheels spinning. I joined the road, DSG box got into 2nd, it switched to manual and accelerated hard up to 60 then put it back in D.

It wasn't literally a full bore, pedal to the board start with the wheels spinning. I joined the road, DSG box got into 2nd, it switched to manual and accelerated hard up to 60 then put it back in D.

I can't believe this is still going. You've driven like a Pratt at least 3 times and the same bobbie has tugged you twice and given you a telling off. Accept it and learn from it or don't and be prosecuted. Simples!

How people make it through life when they get so upset at being told off is beyond me!

I can't believe this is still going. You've driven like a Pratt at least 3 times and the same bobbie has tugged you twice and given you a telling off. Accept it and learn from it or don't and be prosecuted. Simples!

How people make it through life when they get so upset at being told off is beyond me!

I've accepted it but as I've already said I was better off never mentioning it. The only thing I found strange was being pulled 3 times in a few months. The only difference is a new county. I've only ever been pulled 3 times since I first started driving 8 years ago.

The second stop was I'd come out of work which is an estate on a 60 road where I turn left. I glanced right and there was nothing coming. Pulled out and accelerated quite hard up to 60 and made my way through the next series of bends. Come up to a small village where the limit first drops to 50 then to 40. I lifted, started to brake and then on came the blue lights behind me where he'd caught me up. Pulled me over, pretty much for coming out of work too quick, accelerating hard up to the limit and what he thought was excessive speed. Engine was warm so there were no issues with doing that.

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I got pulled for a similar incident like yours 4 weeks ago. Pulling off a roundabout into a 50mph zone. He told me I pulled off in a aggressive manner... I kept my speed to the limit so I didn't see the problem and I expressed that to him. No point arguing with them though as they are the type of person who always thinks they are right.