Hello Gents,

 

Though I was constantly reading the topics/ posts during the recent months, I decided that it is a time to become a real member of briskoda community:)

 

I am on my way to ordering Octavia III and currently having in mind two options: Skoda Octavia Combi vRS Tdi DSG and Skoda Octavia Combi 1.4 Tsi DSG.

 

Let's see tehnical specs:

 

Skoda Octavia Combi 1.4 tsi

0-62 mph - 8.6 s.

Avg. consumption - 5.0 l/100 km

 

Skoda Octavia Combi vRS Tdi

0-62 mph - 8.3 s.

Avg. consumption - 5.1 l/100 km

 

So, it's pretty similar considering performance and consumption.

 

If going with 1.4 tsi option, I would definetely order sport suspension, sport seats, sport steering wheel, '18 Alaris rims, Canton, xenon+LED lights, kessy what would lead to totally ~21 000 EUR. And at the end expecting the look like this (except sun roof):

 

 

If considering Skoda Octavia vRS, it would be definetely ordered Kessy, '18 Pictoris wheels, Canton audio system, the price would be ~ 27000 EUR.

 

So my question is what would i get paying 6000 Eur more or could you please justify spending additional 6000 Eur.

 

Thank you guys for your thoughts.

 

 

You get the better multi-link suspension at the back on the vRS, other than that, you appear to be saving a lot of money! Wish I had thought of this now!

Thread on suspension http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/287955-octavia-20-tdi-rear-suspension-torsion-beam-or-multilink/

Edited 3 September, 201411 yr by josedebardi

If you order all those sports extras on the 1.4 TSI you WON'T get the fuel consumption you expect.  You'll get more real world mpg from the TDI.  If I drive with my family in the car I get 42-44 mpg, if I drive empty roads on my own I get30-32 mpg.

 

The 1.4 TSI isn't as slow as 0-62 mph - 8.6 s.

 

A Rear Anti Rol Bar sorts out the rear suspension issues.

 

6000 Eur is a lot of fuel money but, the choice is yours.

You can't compare 0-62 times for a diesel and petrol, diesels always do poor as they're not great from a standing start.  For a proper real world comparison of road cars in-gear times are what you need to look at, that'll show what it's actually like to drive.  0-62 times are pretty meaningless.

If you order all those sports extras on the 1.4 TSI you WON'T get the fuel consumption you expect.  You'll get more real world mpg from the TDI.  If I drive with my family in the car I get 42-44 mpg, if I drive empty roads on my own I get30-32 mpg.

 

The 1.4 TSI isn't as slow as 0-62 mph - 8.6 s.

 

A Rear Anti Rol Bar sorts out the rear suspension issues.

 

6000 Eur is a lot of fuel money but, the choice is yours.

 

Thank you for the post. I agree that "paper" consumption is far away from real world, however I expect it would require additionally + 1.5 liter(100 km) for vRS TDI engine and +2 liters(100km) for 1.4 tsi engine in combined cycle. In any case, I assume it would be no more than 0.5 liters(100 km) difference between these engines.

 

The difference of rear suspension is taken into account.

the VRS has much larger brakes, but of course few people actually need those

on the opposite side, the VRS has a fake exhaust, while the 1.4 tsi is all genuine :-)

the VRS has much larger brakes, but of course few people actually need those

 

 

Having had a 2.0 TDI SE on loan from the Dealer when my vRS TDI was in it's 10k service this is actually a really good point.  Certainly going from the vRS to the standard brakes they just felt poor, not dangerous but very poor.

Hard to say which as it is a personal choice. 

Also the spec and options differ over here and you don't say which model TSi you would order as a base vehicle.

 

We don't have Alaris wheels listed and we don't have sport seats listed either.

 

The biggest choice is between petrol or diesel.

as good as the TSi engine is it will never have the same punch as the VRS TDi

Hard to say which as it is a personal choice. 

Also the spec and options differ over here and you don't say which model TSi you would order as a base vehicle.

 

We don't have Alaris wheels listed and we don't have sport seats listed either.

 

The biggest choice is between petrol or diesel.

as good as the TSi engine is it will never have the same punch as the VRS TDi

 

TSI trim - "elegance". Yes, here we have rich list of optional features, therefore it could be fairly equipped.

My boring advice is drive the two cars and see which you prefer.

 

I am surprised you have not been severely told off for even suggesting the little 1.4TSI could be as good as the VRS TDI.   

 

If you are only going to keep the car three years then 6000 Euro is a lot, over ten years its not worth bothering about.

My boring advice is drive the two cars and see which you prefer.

 

I am surprised you have not been severely told off for even suggesting the little 1.4TSI could be as good as the VRS TDI.   

 

If you are only going to keep the car three years then 6000 Euro is a lot, over ten years its not worth bothering about.

 

 

The other thing to take into account if the o/p isn't keeping it until it's a good few years old is the resale.

Drive them both.

 

On paper 0-62 they're close.  But in the real world torque wins and the 130NM advantage the TDI has cannot be ignored.

 

You won't get the claimed mpg figures from either car but clearing the fuel computer and taking both cars on the same route driving as you normally would will give a very accurate comparrison between the cars and the actual mpg you should get by looking at the average mpg since start on the computer.

Add to the cost of the TDI a tuning box or remap because otherwise you'll be driving sheep in wolf's clothing.

 

Nuff said ?

Edited 4 September, 201411 yr by themanwithnoaim

Why not go 1.8tsi 4x4 dsg?

Why not go 1.8tsi 4x4 dsg?

 

Two reasons why it is not in line with above mentioned options:

 

Price (3000 Eur more expensive than 1.4 TSI DSG)

Consumption (in paper eats ~ 1,6 ltr more per 100 km).

Edited 4 September, 201411 yr by CentralStation

Two reasons why it is not in line with above mentioned options:

 

Price (3000 Eur more expensive than 1.4 TSI DSG)

Consumption (in paper eats ~ 1,6 ltr more per 100 km).

 

This is a poor man's quattro, it will be worth it.

There's something wrong with performance cars if someone can compare the vRS to a 1.4TSI.

 

I can see the point looking at those numbers - it's just wrong.

 

And I'm not knocking the OP here btw!

 

The one thing I will say is that I'd definitely test drive both. You will find that the TDI will pull so much better in gear whereas with the 1.4 TSI I would imagine you'd be waiting for more revs for some more poke.

 

What are the torque figures? The TDI will be a LOT higher.

Edited 4 September, 201411 yr by g_tee

Yes, it would be necessary to test both cars in order to make final decision.

 

Could you please guys tell me what are the main features of multi-link suspension, i.e. what are the advantages comparing to torsion? Does it effect comfort, noises, etc?

 

Thanks.

Edited 4 September, 201411 yr by CentralStation

Hello,

first of all only 21000 EUR is almost a steal: a great price, quite lower than Italian ones!

 

About the rear suspension you'll find different views: somebody stating the advantage of a lighter suspension, others which look for a more precise drive who are much more satisfied by a rear multi link setup.

 

I've only driven octavias with the second option (a MkII VRS TDI and MkIII 4x4) and must say I was and am satisfied.

Edited 4 September, 201411 yr by Genoa1893

You really need to have a decent test drive in both as they are quite different. I had the 1.4tsi 122ps mk2 and now have a mk2 2.0 tdi vRS 170 and the vRS is as you would expect so much more fun to drive (if that's important to you) As as above the 0-62 times are as meaningless as the official fuel consumption figures, in the real world tne vRS will win on both counts as the superior torque will play a big part in both saving fual and delivering punchy in gear acceleration. Certainly here in the uk the tdi vRS residual values are better than the 1.4 so that could be something to investigate too as part of your decision process. Pypsip had a mk2 tdi vRS Blackline and changed it for a mk3 1.4tsi which he was very pleased with He's now missing the tdi......good luck.

Pypsip has a 2.0 TDI Mk3 Elegance and its the sportyness of the vRS he's missing.

V true chaps, a higher powered elegance petrol or diesel is a great car, really v good indeed but it does lack a little something compared to the Mk2 vRS TDI I had; the vRS did have have a bit of character whereas the Elegance doesn't really have any. It's quick for what it is though.

I'd say not to bother making an Elegance sportier to be honest and just get the vRS TDI if you're that way inclined . It's the better warm hatch of the two for sure. Also RE the vRS 0-100 it's a sub 8 second car really, little or no slower than a GTD that does an official 7.5 secs.....it is quicker than a standard 1.4 TSi for sure.

Edited 5 September, 201411 yr by pipsyp

Maybe you could consider the 1.8 TSI DSG (180hp): quicker than the vRS TDI (184hp) on both 0-100km/h and 80-120km/h. Weight is 145kg (10%) less.