Looking at new cars all 3door apart from the BMW. Experiences, advice,  all welcome. Broker, nearly new??

 

Not sure of 150 1,4tsi or 150 2.0 tdi

 

Thanks

Edited 21 September, 201411 yr by loskie

120d x drive will wipe the floor with the other two, get it with auto box job done

it is only available as a manual

1.4tsi or 2.0 tdi really depends on what your using the car for.

Long trips, short trips, etc etc.

1.4tsi or 2.0 tdi really depends on what your using the car for.

Long trips, short trips, etc etc.

And if there is enough space in the boot for oil

And if there is enough space in the boot for oil

Haa

Its only the twincharger that has issues mate.

The 1.4 TSI's with just a turbo are generally fine .

20000m per year very few short trips. Most are 23m plus, rural A and B roads very little town driving.

ACT technology is fairly new and I tend to keep a car for several years 120000miles

120d :-)

Diesel then.

Seems rude not to take advantage of the extra torque and fuel economy if you're doing that sort of thing

Diesel sounds as though it might be the right choice, but I wouldn't discount the Tsi with ACT, though to get the 150hp version means getting a Golf GT, which are likely to be pricey, though you'll probably still achieve 50+ mpg and only £20 or £30 per year to tax.

 

BMW has less interior room, smaller boot and looks that are, well, a matter of personal taste, but great chassis and 4 wheel drive are pluses. 

Interestingly quotes from Carwow(they do not do BMW) bring the A3 150act Sport 3dr in at £19.8k ish which is significantly cheaper than a similar specced Golf 3dr and much the same as a Leon. Makes the A3 look like a good buy. Not sure of the longevity of the 150 act engine however. A 6m old 120 xdrive with about 5000m and a good few extras is about £21k.

 

Or as an oddball choice I have thought about an A1 or Ibiza and also buying an old Subaru Forester for about £4k.

Nobody has any idea on the Longevity of the VWG ACT / COD engines, and especially the Volkswagen Group that build the engines.

 

We can only hope that they do better than the 180-185 ps Minimum 1.4 TSI Twinchargers, 

that the VWG have never acknowledged many failures of from those built 2009-2012, and then the failures of some replacements from 2012 on.

 

If the Volkswagen Group were just honest when they do Design or Build Engines that can be substandard or there are lapses in VW's Quality Control, or issues with the Technicians Servicing & maintaining their Products,

like the 20% failure rate and growing with 1.4 CAVE Engines, 

then Customers might have more faith in their New & Advanced Technologies.

 

When the VWG put as standard 5 or 7 Year Warranties on their vehicles, then the Buying Public might 

have more faith in the Products they Build and in Advanced Technologies they like the Customers buying the cars 

to Road Test in the real world.

 

VORSPRUNG DURCH TECHNIK

(Motoring Journalists and Magazine Editors and Advertising Agency Share Holders in the EU will never ask the Questions 

that need asked. ) 'Why do you have so many engine failures?'

Edited 22 September, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

The twin charger has been dropped from VW's line up due to reliability and oil consumption issues. In the Polo GTi it's been replaced by a 1.8 TSi unit.

 

ACT / COD has been around for a few years now and with no apparent reliability issues. It's quite simple in operation - http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/petrol/active-cylinder-technology-act

It is a shame that VW can not say,

 'We are dropping the 1.4 TSI Twinchargers because of reliability and Oil usage issues,

even though we accept the Engine of the Year Award for it for 4 consecutive years'.

 

Maybe say to those that bought the Faulty ones and that had the run around,

'Sorry, we should have communicated the Faults and the reasons for them, rather than just pretending they never happened.'

 

Do you mean has been dropped by VW and

'Will be Dropped' by Skoda & Seat, part of the VW Group,  

and using the engines VW Build ?

 

Since Skoda Dealers will sell you a New MK2 vRS today and Seat an Ibiza Cupra 1.4 TSI Twincharger.

 

'Apparent Reliability', is great when it becomes 'Proven Reliability' of above 95% of all those sold maybe.

 

You often have to look at what others tell you about VW products,

because you will not find VW telling you or the Motoring Media.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

Edited 22 September, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

It is a shame that VW can not say,

 'We are dropping the 1.4 TSI Twinchargers because of reliability and Oil usage issues,

even though we accept the Engine of the Year Award for it for 4 consecutive years'.

 

Maybe say to those that bought the Faulty ones and that had the run around,

'Sorry, we should have communicated the Faults and the reasons for them, rather than just pretending they never happened.'

 

Do you mean has been dropped by VW and

'Will be Dropped' by Skoda & Seat, part of the VW Group,  

and using the engines VW Build ?

 

Since Skoda Dealers will sell you a New MK2 vRS today and Seat an Ibiza Cupra 1.4 TSI Twincharger.

 

'Apparent Reliability', is great when it becomes 'Proven Reliability' of above 95% of all those sold maybe.

 

You often have to look at what others tell you about VW products,

because you will not find VW telling you or the Motoring Media.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

I guess VW simply change under warranty those engines that go beyond what might be considered high oil consumption / reliability problems. Admission of significant faults would most probably lead to substantial amount of claims against them and possibly even class actions.

 

BMW had the nikasil bore wear issue and dealt with it the same way.

 

I have to say that the twincharger engine seemed an overly complex solution to eliminating low engine speed turbo lag. The twin scroll turbo seems like a more sensible solution as BMW have found and VAG seem to be waking up to (albeit slowly).

I do hope the ACT / COD prove Reliable, and even if 1% of Owners have any issues, VW will hold their hands up,

listen to the problems, accept where it is their fault, and rectify anything needing addressed.

Change Service Guidelines, Spark Plugs Change Schedule or what ever, and communicate with Technicians and Owners.

(too often Salespeople, Technicians and Customer Services say, 'they all do that', and do not log issues with VW, Skoda, Seat, Audi.)

 

They do indeed change engines under Warranty.

But not Simply. Even now 4 years on from them knowing the issues.

 

They cause many people lots of problems, so much that before they are repaired the Owner Trades in,

or even Rejects, and the cars stay in the Trade without being sorted out and a new owner has the problem.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-14tsi-just-reply-please-if-you-have-had-an-engine-replaced

 

If VW, Skoda, Seat & Audi and been more forthcoming then buyers now of Used Cars would not have Extended Warranty Companies rejecting claims because VW knew there were issues.

VW, Skoda, Seat & Audi are being forced to cover cars now out of the Original Warranty,

because indeed they do not want a Court Action or Class action on them.

They have settled and covered Expenses in a silent way where people do get Legal Advice and start Actions against them.

 

Actually others are continuing to develop & Introduce Twinchargers, like Volvo whos Chairman was the CEO of 

VW USA before going to Volvo.

 

The VWG (Audi first) are going Electric Supercharger & Turbo with Diesels and Petrol & Hybrid cars & so 

are other Engine Manufacturers.

 

As you can see in this VW Vid, these are really no more complex than the 1.4 TSI with Cylinder Deactivation or Cylinder On Demand.

& pretty Reliable in 150 ps form, and when the appropriate components, consumables, Oils are used & 

when the Power is taken to 180-185 ps Minimum, VW get the Engine Management right.

Edited 23 September, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Looking at the way the COD / ACT system works, I think oil changes will be critical to reliability. So no long life service intervals.

 

I have a Polo with ACT on order and have taken the three year/30K mile servicing option (£199) which allows for an oil change every 10K miles. I might even go for interim oil only changes to keep the oil fresher.

You might find that the 5w 30 VW 504 00 Long life oil last a long time & is never an issue with a engine with only a 150ps Mimimum

easily staying good for 9,400 miles and even the 19,000 miles of Variable Servicing.

 

The Oil Filters however can be an issue & i would never leave VW ones beyond 10,000 miles..

 

Then there are Spark Plugs and VW's Service Schedules and Guidelines,

like replacement at 40,000 miles being a general thing,

& Technicians and Dealerships following that.

 

Well with 132-136 KW 1.4 TSI Twinchargers there is a 40,000 mile Service Schedule.

But some cars have 1 plug not lasting 25,000 miles, 

some not even 15,000 miles.

& these have been the issue, and has been known to be for over 3 years.

 

The VW solution.  Nothing, Ziltz.  Carry on and do nothing, do not even put out a Technical Document 

to Technicians about the Need to check the Spark Plugs when there are Misfires,

& do not just go changing the Ignition Coil.

VORSPRUNG DURCH TECHNIK

or 3 Monkeys. Hear, See & Say no evil. * It never happened.*

Edited 23 September, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

If you get the estate version of the MK7 Golf you only get the 140PS non-ACT Euro5 version.. of the 1.4TSi.......................

 

Which is what I'm getting built next week.................. :sun: ..... :p

 

 

As for BMW 1 series...........................DON'T!............

 

Mates got an M135i....................you can tell were they have cut the corners on the build quality...........my 13yrs old Fabia has better build quality in places than the BMW!..................Also the front lower wishbones on the BWM 1 series are as fragile as glass............  .............the same mate nudged an old fabia on a corner (his front end stepped out) & very little damage to the fabia................the BMW however......new headlight, new bumper, new wing, new bonnet, new wishbones..........  .............he was not pleased....................... ................the recovery bloke whilst winching his BMW on to the low loader said "all these new BMWs break their wishbones very easily"...............

Never had an issue with bmw quality.

Strange how the 1.4tsi went wrong

Other half had a 2006 twin charger golf gt170 and it never ever even used a drop of oil.

If you get the estate version of the MK7 Golf you only get the 140PS non-ACT Euro5 version.. of the 1.4TSi.......................

It won't be long until it receives it. The Leon and even Ibiza can have it and its pretty ridiculous hat ou can also specific it in the Polo but not the Golf!

I'd check the boot on the 120. Not big anyway and if the 4x4 system intrudes it'll be tiny. Not a lot of space in the cabin either with the drive shaft tunnel.

1 series is a nice car with at of spec and oomphh but as said before boot is small

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If you get the estate version of the MK7 Golf you only get the 140PS non-ACT Euro5 version.. of the 1.4TSi.......................

 

Which is what I'm getting built next week.................. :sun: ..... :p

 

 

As for BMW 1 series...........................DON'T!............

 

Mates got an M135i....................you can tell were they have cut the corners on the build quality...........my 13yrs old Fabia has better build quality in places than the BMW!..................Also the front lower wishbones on the BWM 1 series are as fragile as glass............  .............the same mate nudged an old fabia on a corner (his front end stepped out) & very little damage to the fabia................the BMW however......new headlight, new bumper, new wing, new bonnet, new wishbones..........  .............he was not pleased....................... ................the recovery bloke whilst winching his BMW on to the low loader said "all these new BMWs break their wishbones very easily"...............

Maybe your mates car was built on a Friday afternoon?! Lol

Having both an M135i and Fabia on our drive I would respectfully disagree with your observation on build quality. In my view the 1-series is several leagues ahead in that department. Everything you can see and touch feels far superior and expensive. We've had 3 Fabias in the last 8-years and all have had various rattles etc...... no such problems on the BMW's (touch wood!).

Imho the interior on the 1-series is far more premium than on the VW.. The 1-series is a direct rival for the A3 and A-class rather than the golf, which in my view is from a segment/class below (I know the A3/golf are the same underneath). :-)

Imho the interior on the 1-series is far more premium than on the VW.. The 1-series is a direct rival for the A3 and A-class rather than the golf, which in my view is from a segment/class below (I know the A3/golf are the same underneath). :-)

That's what BMW would like to think, but the reality is that most prospective purchasers would look at a Golf as well if they were looking at a 1 series. They're similar money, after all.

 

Interiors like exteriors are a matter of personal taste, but it has to be said that VAG in general do them better than BMW, whereas BMW tend to do better chassis'.

Sat in a traffic jam, or driving around town I know where I'd rather be sat, but on a twisty country road the 1 series would be the more entertaining (tho' even in this area MQB platform cars are getting close).