maybe not it depends on the spec of both cars at that price!

Order books open on October 1, but if plusher trim, with niceties such as safety equipment, such as traction and stability control, you'll need to move up to the Focus ST 2, which is priced at

Doesn't the Octi come with traction as standard?

Yeah, but traction control is for wusses

The Focus comes with Recaros (front and rear) as standard!

It's the same price as the octy , a bit faster , and a lot smaller.

What do you want? More performance or a higher spec larger car?

You're right but i would prefer a lower spec but more powerful car if I was spending the money. Depends alot on how they handle too, should be some interesting group tests coming up by the end of the year. The hot hatch sector is getting very competitive and I reckon Skoda might have priced themselves too high in it.

You're right but i would prefer a lower spec but more powerful car if I was spending the money. Depends alot on how they handle too, should be some interesting group tests coming up by the end of the year. The hot hatch sector is getting very competitive and I reckon Skoda might have priced themselves too high in it.

I don't think Skoda promote the vrs as a hot hatch though.

Also for the ST with Recaro's you need the ST3 which costs 19495 (I think) so quite a bit more than the Octy

http://www.sky.com/skynews/xml/article/0,,40000-217029,00.html

makes the Octy pretty good value

Also for the ST with Recaro's you need the ST3 which costs 19495 (I think) so quite a bit more than the Octy

http://www.sky.com/skynews/xml/article/0' date=',40000-217029,00.html[/url']

makes the Octy pretty good value

which is the point I was trying to make

It's a Ford so I'm sure it will be very good, bt it will also be a common as muck.

Personally I'd rather have a car that has all the boxes ticked rather than something that is just plain quick. Or maybe I'm just gettin old

I don't see how they could have given the Octy vrs a much lower price really.

Its got the same mechanicals as the golf Gti, its a bigger car with similar levels of eqipment for 3-4k less.

The focus ST makes the golf gti look really overpriced but people will still buy the golf by the shedload because of its quality/image etc

I don't think Skoda promote the vrs as a hot hatch though.

They do promote it as "The fastest and most powerful production vehicle ever made by

The spec is very high though Andy, the seats will be more than good enough in terms of support and xenons are the only thing I think would be missing from the spec sheet...

They do promote it as "The fastest and most powerful production vehicle ever made by

What do you want? More performance or a higher spec larger car?

I think this point by Dr Z sums it up though really...

I don't see how they could have given the Octy vrs a much lower price really.

Its got the same mechanicals as the golf Gti' date=' its a bigger car with similar levels of eqipment for 3-4k less.

The focus ST makes the golf gti look really overpriced but people will still buy the golf by the shedload because of its quality/image etc[/quote']

not all parts are the same, some are cheaper and not as high spec

not all parts are the same, some are cheaper and not as high spec

True VW really let their image down on that front!

According to this article ( http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=11855 ) the Recaros ARE standard on the

I have to say that I do like it, even though it appears I'm rigourously defending the Octavia. I just think that they're 2 different types of cars, aimed at 2 different sets of people, both of which I currently sit in the middle of. I'd love either of them as my next car. I'd like the performance package of the ST with the comfort levels and room of the Octavia...

I agree they are different cars for different people, the Octy is going to be a roomy, comfy car that's also quick whereas the ST is a blatant hothatch. At the moment practicality is a 100% non issue for me, I'd be looking for what was ultimately going to be the faster, more entertaining more involving drive - given the choice it would be the ST at this point in my life

Our next door neighbour works for Ford Marketing promoting their new models etc, I was told this is the 2005 model and there will be an updated model coming out next year, they don't hang about :eek:

but for have huge discounts and great saving which skoda vag etc etc cant match.

New model in a few months = good price drops

I'll hang on a bit then I think

grr I was almost convinced to go for the luxo barge and kit car aswell...grr.

grr I was almost convinced to go for the luxo barge and kit car aswell...grr.

Great minds clearly think alike

It's a pity I can't afford to build a kit at the moment. Which kit were you looking at, Colin?

Marlin Sportster using a 325 donor...or an m3 if I'm really lucky. 5 to 8 + donor if I spanner it myself.

Jsut got to convince the old fella to let me convert one of the sheds into a build room...that will cost me a milling machine I reckon, although it has fringe benefits.

Marlin Sportster using a 325 donor...or an m3 if I'm really lucky. 5 to 8 + donor if I spanner it myself.

Personally, I like the Sylva Mojo which is a cheap kit but looks like a lot of fun, and appears to be high quality. If money were no object, I'd get a GT40 replica, a Diablo replica, or maybe the Dynamic Performance "Attack".

One day, I'll clear the garage out and build something!