Yawn!!!

Someone posts something you don't like so it's boring? I suppose it is boring because you all know all about it. Bad headlamps, big oil usage and the odd dodgy gearbox. What we do know now if that you are getting bad quality parts because Skoda is the budget VAG brand. That's why they're so cheap.

wja96,

Did you ever drive a twincharger in day or night time, and have you any reached your opinions from driving one or more,

or is everything you are going on from reading the forums and others experiences & opinions.?

 

There seem to be quite a few members that seem to tell owners of the cars how bad they are,

which is quite odd, when they actually have them theirselves and know what they are like.

I've driven a Mk II vRS in 2011 for a whole weekend when SWMBO wanted a new car. At the time the deal-breaker was the lack of any factory fit navigation option with DAB.

And I've driven 5 or 6 Mk II in various different guises. The Fabia 1 with reflector headlamps were just about acceptable. The others (SE, Monte Carlo, Fabia 3) all had the projector lights and they were genuinely shocking. One of them I helped a female friend fit with Night Breakers and then later with 2000 lumen LEDs which helped enormously but I not seen one from the factory with headlamps good enough to do 60mph on an unlit country road in the face of oncoming traffic.

As for the oil usage, no I've not experienced it, but from your own posts neither have you and that doesn't seem to be stopping you from warning others about it.

I love it. Skoda has the cheapo light bulbs from the factory but it's OK because you saved thousands so you can buy better ones from the money saved. I'm surprised that on that basis you haven't realised that they have the bad engines too and the money saved on buying the car pays for the extra oil. I hadn't realised it was like an extra instalment plan you paid off over the life of the car.

audi make the twincharger

I've driven a Mk II vRS in 2011 for a whole weekend when SWMBO wanted a new car. At the time the deal-breaker was the lack of any factory fit navigation option with DAB.

And I've driven 5 or 6 Mk II in various different guises. The Fabia 1 with reflector headlamps were just about acceptable. The others (SE, Monte Carlo, Fabia 3) all had the projector lights and they were genuinely shocking. One of them I helped a female friend fit with Night Breakers and then later with 2000 lumen LEDs which helped enormously but I not seen one from the factory with headlamps good enough to do 60mph on an unlit country road in the face of oncoming traffic.

As for the oil usage, no I've not experienced it, but from your own posts neither have you and that doesn't seem to be stopping you from warning others about it.

none of those have the same headlights as the 2013 on vRS.

wja96,

I said my cars were not faulty,

not i have not worked on Faulty ones or had a bit more experience of various cars more than doing a road test once.

 

As to the cars,

Skoda Built them and sold them cheap as part of a try out of Twinchargers & DSG's,

there are some pretty amazing things about them, if VW just admitted their failures and need for further development.

audi make the twincharger

The whole premise of any VAG car having bad parts is a nonsense. They are all sourced from a common pool. That's why Skoda is a value brand. You get. The same bits used in more expensive cars for less money.

I still get confused by those that keep going back to the issues with the 1.4 TSI Twinchargers when 

a Fabia replacement with another type of engine is possible.

 

Engine or Gearbox or headlight issues were not the issue with lack of buyer in numbers of the Seat, Skoda, VW or A1's at launch,

and the CEO of Skoda in 2009 is still the CEO now, and the production of the cars continued until just recently.

 

The poor selling VW GTI & Audi A1 are having Facelifts and 1.8TSI Engines fitted to meet Euro6 Emissions,

so there is a choice of cars from VAG at around or below £20,000,

it is just a pity that Skoda could not have a Hot Small Estate.

 

But maybe they will have soon enough.

none of those have the same headlights as the 2013 on vRS.

No, I never said there wasn't a car with good headlamps. I'm just saying I've never been in one that good headlamps from the factory. I accepted your statement that yours were fine. Why is it so difficult to accept my position that all the ones I've seen have been duff?

Your position confuses me,

 is it that you say the cars were crap and you do not like them, & would never have one, and have no interest in them ?

  because that seems obvious, so is there another point to your posts, other than a wind up?

 

Many cars have bad headlights from many manufacturers and most that buy them have no idea until 

they drive one in the dark,

so that will be a Hire Car or one they buy and then get very disheartened by.

They hardly need someone saying the lights are bad, loser.

 

PS

Is your A6 one that is subject to the Recall from October 2014, Brakes. ?

Because that is the kind of thing that happens, people buy cars and find that some have issues

and then people are suspecting they all might have.

Edited 29 December, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

What's all this slagging off got to do with the Fabia III, this should be in the Fabia II section, we all know what Skoda have said, for now that is, that they're not going to make a III vRS, no amount of mourning the demise of the vRS is going to change Skoda's mind.

It doesn't matter how many of this or that model seems to have been sold/registered, what matters is how good or bad, value for money or expensive the new Fabia turns out to be, me, I hope it it's the former on both points, I don't want a vRS so I'm not bothered if they make one or not, there's other warm/hot hatches out there with manual/auto boxes, 3/5 doors so there is a choice.

Maybe one will come along in the future but I doubt it as you don't see all that many anyway, whether that be a Fabia or Octavia vRS.

Buy a Seat if you want a sporty, cheapish hatch, buy an Audi for prestige, buy a VW for quality, buy a Skoda for value for money if they don't manage to ruin their pricing, only time will tell.

Someone posts something you don't like so it's boring? I suppose it is boring because you all know all about it. Bad headlamps, big oil usage and the odd dodgy gearbox. What we do know now if that you are getting bad quality parts because Skoda is the budget VAG brand. That's why they're so cheap.

 

No, it was because I posted that I had none of those issues on my car and yet you chose to simply repeat a bunch of stuff you had already posted. You provided no new info so you come across as a broken record and yes, that is boring. I repeat that you pay your money and make your choice; Mrs T and I really like our Fabia and I would seriously consider buying a Mk 3 vRS if it was based on the latest Polo GTI.

Your position confuses me,

 is it that you say the cars were crap and you do not like them, & would never have one, and have no interest in them ?

  because that seems obvious, so is there another point to your posts, other than a wind up?

 

Many cars have bad headlights from many manufacturers and most that buy them have no idea until 

they drive one in the dark,

so that will be a Hire Car or one they buy and then get very disheartened by.

They hardly need someone saying the lights are bad, loser.

 

PS

Is your A6 one that is subject to the Recall from October 2014, Brakes. ?

Because that is the kind of thing that happens, people buy cars and find that some have issues

and then people are suspecting they all might have.

What IS your problem?

The Mk II Fabia is a car with BIG issues. It just is. You, yourself, LOVE to put up threads all about them. YOU seem to be doing EXACTLY what you are accusing me of. If having that pointed out to you upsets you, don't read my posts.

And no, my A6 is an allroad which has a different braking system to allow for the hill descent system. But if it did have a brake recall I'd take it in and they'd fix it. My SLK roof delaminated and it was replaced under warranty. They now only sell the one with the clear roof because pretty much all the solid roofed cars had delamination issues. They fixed it. No biggie.

I really love my Skoda. I really love my Skoda dealer. Read my posts about Robinsons Skoda in Norwich. They really look after us but we spend a lot of money with them. I NEVER cheapskate on my car maintenance because I rely on my car for my work to an extent that most people will never appreciate. My Mk I vRS is getting close to 230,000 miles now and it's on it's second service book it has that many stamps. You don't do 230,000 miles in 8 years in an unreliable car. My car is far from unique. There are loads of high mileage Mk I's. They are VERY good cars. I'm sorry, but the Mk II simply doesn't inspire like the Mk I did. And without a halo model, I very much doubt the Mk III will either.

No, it was because I posted that I had none of those issues on my car and yet you chose to simply repeat a bunch of stuff you had already posted. You provided no new info so you come across as a broken record and yes, that is boring. I repeat that you pay your money and make your choice; Mrs T and I really like our Fabia and I would seriously consider buying a Mk 3 vRS if it was based on the latest Polo GTI.

The line of argumentation I was following was;

Mk I vRS was a reasonable sales success and a positive halo model for other Mk I Fabias.

When the Mk II vRS was announced it was widely believed it would not be AS successful because it wasn't diesel and it was an automatic.

When the Mk II was launched it very quickly became apparent that there were issues with the projector headlamps.

When the Mk II vRS was launched it very quickly became apparent that there was a proportion of cars that used excessive oil.

Recently, there have been issues reported with the DSG gearbox as well.

When Skoda launched the Mk II Monte Carlo model it comprehensively outsold the vRS which indicated to Skoda UK that the UK market is more interested in a car that looks like a hot hatch than actually is a hot hatch.

Skoda have said that there will be no Mk III vRS because there is no demand. I think there is demand, and I said so, but not for a DSG Petrol car.

Rather than just post "Yawn" - which says VOLUMES about you you could have posted something sensible that argued your position. Your position appears to be that because YOU have had no issues there isn't a problem. Quite incredible.

And you constantly repeat this line that if Skoda do make a mk III vRS based on the new Polo, you'll buy one. They're not going to make one. I'm not sure why you refuse to believe this. They're not making one because the last one was a sales flop. Why it was a sales flop is open to discussion (see above) but if you really want a 1.8l petrol hatch with a DSG gearbox you have the option of the Polo right now. Why wait?

You keep just saying things as though they are correct or factual.   You keep saying 'apparently',  

well is it the case, or is it just 'apparently',  do you know?

 

The Engines were changed in all 4 VAG cars late 2012, because of the issues, but issues VW have never acknowledged,

these were becoming apparent before the Mk2 vRS was Launched, already Seat Ibiza Twinchargers were showing issues.

As to the Lights, these were changed after launch.

Many might complain, but many leave them totally standard and set them correctly for UK roads.

 

When Skoda launched the Monte Carlo they were not an Instant Sales success, 

they were over priced and Skoda had io Introduce the Tech Editions to get sales moving,

& then Tech Estates, & less than 6,000 have been sold,

which is double the number of vRS right enough.

 

yes there are DSG Issues, but on Millions of DSG world wide, not particularly only a Twincharger / DSG issue,

& several issues,

and not only 2009-2011

http://skoda.co.nz/news/dsg-service-campaign

* Not recent issues,*

just a 'Recent' UK 'Service Campaign' after 5 years of reported 'Issues'.

 

PS

the Audi A1 185 ps was a sales flop with less than 500 First Registered in the UK.

That is First Registered, not sold new to customers as new cars, or factory ordered by Private / Lease owners,

Demonstrators.

like the 1,400 First Registered in the UK Polo GTI 2010-2013,

Again often registered as Demonstrators, not sold.

then the 2,400 or so Seat Twinchargers, 2009-2014,

 

So there are Facelift A1 & Polo GTI 1.8TSI,

we will see soon enough how many buy new in the UK, and were the used prices go.

& if they sell much better to Customers than the 2014 Audi S1.

 

& as for 'Skoda Say'.

The Skoda CEO is quoted as saying in August 2013,

then another Senior Exec said something else, and 'insiders' say.

Now the Skoda Madia people hint at other stuff on Facebook & Social Media.

 

Maybe let us know what the right story is once your sources tell you the full & current jackanory.

 

......................

'Why wait' ?    Well with the Volkswagen Group it is a good idea to wait,

because as has been obvious for a few decades,  the Volkswagen Group like to keep Snagging faults 

on the 'Need to know basis'.

Treat Customers like Mushrooms'.  What we do not admit never happened.

Vorsprung Durch Technik

Edited 30 December, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

When Skoda launched the Mk II Monte Carlo model it comprehensively outsold the vRS which indicated to Skoda UK that the UK market is more interested in a car that looks like a hot hatch than actually is a hot hatch.

 

 

Makes sense really. With the traffic volumes as they are these days I don't even get to use the full extent of my 85BHP 1.2 TSI most of the time.

 

IMO the Monte looked better than the RS too.

Very true,

and not the sales disaster & depreciation disaster that the Rapids are in the UK.

 

I wonder how long the Skoda CEO can get away with signing off the cars he does for the UK,

he does seem to get it very wrong.

 

http://topgear.com/uk/car-news/skoda-fabia-vrs-is-no-more-skoda-suv-coming-2013-08-21

 

'Produced 20,000 Monte Carlo',

& sold less than 6,000 in the UK, so they sold well in other countries,

or are lined up on some runway around the world if they did build them and they did not sell !

They do come on 16" alloys in other countries and are priced at VFM.

Edited 30 December, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Mrs Furbytom requires a small, fast, petrol, auto, estate car. As far as I'm aware nobody else bar skoda makes one. Which is why we have a mk2 Fabia vRS estate and why we'd dearly love Skoda to produce a mk3 variant. Simples. Although though of course I fully appreciate that it quite possibly will never happen. Doesn't stop me wanting one tho!

However all said and done it's only a car so I won't be losing any sleep over the lack of a mk3 vRS, just a shame that I will quite possibly be taking my money to another brand when we are due for a change.

You keep just saying things as though they are correct or factual.   You keep saying 'apparently',  

well is it the case, or is it just 'apparently',  do you know?

 

The Engines were changed in all 4 VAG cars late 2012, because of the issues, but issues VW have never acknowledged,

these were becoming apparent before the Mk2 vRS was Launched, already Seat Ibiza Twinchargers were showing issues.

As to the Lights, these were changed after launch.

Many might complain, but many leave them totally standard and set them correctly for UK roads.

 

When Skoda launched the Monte Carlo they were not an Instant Sales success, 

they were over priced and Skoda had io Introduce the Tech Editions to get sales moving,

& then Tech Estates, & less than 6,000 have been sold,

which is double the number of vRS right enough.

 

yes there are DSG Issues, but on Millions of DSG world wide, not particularly only a Twincharger / DSG issue,

& several issues,

and not only 2009-2011

http://skoda.co.nz/news/dsg-service-campaign

* Not recent issues,*

just a 'Recent' UK 'Service Campaign' after 5 years of reported 'Issues'.

 

PS

the Audi A1 185 ps was a sales flop with less than 500 First Registered in the UK.

That is First Registered, not sold new to customers as new cars, or factory ordered by Private / Lease owners,

Demonstrators.

like the 1,400 First Registered in the UK Polo GTI 2010-2013,

Again often registered as Demonstrators, not sold.

then the 2,400 or so Seat Twinchargers, 2009-2014,

 

So there are Facelift A1 & Polo GTI 1.8TSI,

we will see soon enough how many buy new in the UK, and were the used prices go.

& if they sell much better to Customers than the 2014 Audi S1.

 

& as for 'Skoda Say'.

The Skoda CEO is quoted as saying in August 2013,

then another Senior Exec said something else, and 'insiders' say.

Now the Skoda Madia people hint at other stuff on Facebook & Social Media.

 

Maybe let us know what the right story is once your sources tell you the full & current jackanory.

 

......................

'Why wait' ?    Well with the Volkswagen Group it is a good idea to wait,

because as has been obvious for a few decades,  the Volkswagen Group like to keep Snagging faults 

on the 'Need to know basis'.

Treat Customers like Mushrooms'.  What we do not admit never happened.

Vorsprung Durch Technik

And yet you repeatedly accuse me of the one trying to wind things up and repeating the same old negative stuff about VAG?

I don't think you need any pointers from me.

But what i repeat is factual & not just Apparently what happened..

 

The negative stuff is researched and confirmed and experienced,

and there to let those that might be mislead by Dealers & Customer Services know what to look out for,

and to expect,

 

Not to wind up those that already know the potential issues.

 

Volkswagen AG,

 or as they call themselfs now 'Volkswagen Group'

VORSPUNG DURCH TECHNIK.

Hear, See & Say no Evil.  

'We keep getting away with building cars that can not keep oil & water in the Engines

& Water out of the passenger compartments, but the Showrooms are nice..'

Edited 30 December, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Much as I love many Skodas I have had it is worrying that VAG has the pretty much the poorest warranty of any car manufacturer at the 60K or three years which ever is sooner. 

 

Marques which are deemed to be of a lesser quality have 100,000 miles and 5 or 7 year warranties.

 

I love that some cutting edge is introduced a such a low price point ie 7 speed dsg and the twin-charge in the Mk2 but VAG need to demonstrate confidence in their own products and come up with a warranty that is at least parity and preferable superior to other marques that they would profess to be superior to.

But what i repeat is factual & not just Apparently what happened..

 

The negative stuff is researched and confirmed and experienced,

and there to let those that might be mislead by Dealers & Customer Services know what to look out for,

and to expect,

 

Not to wind up those that already know the potential issues.

 

Volkswagen AG,

 or as they call themselfs now 'Volkswagen Group'

VORSPUNG DURCH TECHNIK.

Hear, See & Say no Evil.  

'We keep getting away with building cars that can not keep oil & water in the Engines

& Water out of the passenger compartments, but the Showrooms are nice..'

What have I posted that wasn't true? What? I'm just posting what you're posting in support of a line of argumentation I'm taking. Obviously, I presume you've not just made it all up, but as it never happened to you either, i don't really see how you can take any kind of high ground on this. You now just look like you're trolling anti-Skoda propaganda on these forums.

Seriously, read how overtly negative your last few posts have been about Skoda, the CEO of Skoda and Volkswagen Group engineering and you'll see how utterly disproportionate they are to what's really happening. And you repeatedly accuse me of trying to wind people up? I don't think you could get any lessons from me.

Is your line of arqument not just, the cars were obviously rubbish and never sold, and you would never of bought one

and anybody that did bought a bad car, 

and the VWG is never going to build a replacement model because they sold so badly.

(Only thing is the VWG are building replacement models of the Sister Cars that sold even less in the UK and other World Regions & which used the Same Engines, Gearboxes & Components)

 

I know that you have no idea of the various cases & the number of them that i and others have had to help members and twincharger owners with cars that are out of Warranty,

in warranty, or even which were Rejected and taken back in by Dealers & Skoda and put back into the Trade Unrepaired.

 

So if you think any bad mouthing against those that have people buying & spending over £10,000 on Used Cars

& even those that bought new then facing engine failure due to denial on the part of VW, Skoda, Audi & Seat,

more than denial, actually dishonesty in lots of cases with what owners with faulty cars are being told.

More than bad mouthing online has been done over the past 3 1/2 years.

 

People buy a car, spend what they can and within days find themself faced with a £4,000 bill, 

because of the stance being taken by the Manufacturers HQ & Franchised Dealers.

 

Have you got any advice to help anyone that lands up with a faulty car and ends up banging their heads against a brick wall?

Or any help you could give to anyone to help get some resolution to the issue,.?

 

You have a nice new year,

you obviously know that the VWG will always see you right.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/294051-cave-cthe-14tsi-just-reply-please-if-you-have-had-an-engine-replaced

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

 

As to sales successes,

the Mk1 Fabia vRS seems to have been good for Skoda in UK sales over its production time.

It was a car people wanted to buy.

 

& if you take all the 1.4TSI 132-136 kw Twinchargers from the 4 brands together, they sold less than half what the 

Mk1 vRS did in the UK over their production.

 

So did the Monte Carlos in the UK from 2011-2014,

less than half as many sold as were MK1 vRS,  so their success was in rather small numbers 

considering how many cooking Fabia are sold in the UK.

Edited 31 December, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Is your line of arqument not just, the cars were obviously rubbish and never sold, and you would never of bought one

and anybody that did bought a bad car, 

My line of argumentation is that the cars were petrol and automatic and didn't appeal to anyone who wanted what they already had ie. A manual diesel.

and the VWG is never going to build a replacement model because they sold so badly.

Yes, that's correct.

cars that are out of Warranty, [/size]

in warranty, or even which were Rejected and taken back in by Dealers & Skoda and put back into the Trade Unrepaired.

 

So if you think any bad mouthing against those that have people buying & spending over £10,000 on Used Cars

& even those that bought new then facing engine failure due to denial on the part of VW, Skoda, Audi & Seat,

more than denial, actually dishonesty in lots of cases with what owners with faulty cars are being told.

More than bad mouthing online has been done over the past 3 1/2 years.

 

People buy a car, spend what they can and within days find themself faced with a £4,000 bill, 

because of the stance being taken by the Manufacturers HQ & Franchised Dealers.

 

Have you got any advice to help anyone that lands up with a faulty car and ends up banging their heads against a brick wall?

Or any help you could give to anyone to help get some resolution to the issue,.?

 

You have a nice new year,

you obviously know that the VWG will always see you right.

i don't think I have bad-mouthed anyone. Unlike you. Who seem to take a fierce delight in having a go at Skoda and their dealers and their cars.

As to whether or not VAG will always see me right, I have to say that so far they have. Between the dealers and the various offices in Blakelands I have to say I've always had the resolution I wanted. I'm extremely lucky in that I get to change cars regularly and my company runs a small fleet of cars which is pretty much all-VAG. The dealers (and VW Financial Services) know that if they want my company's business they need to make sure I'm looked after. The only VAG brand I've not owned or leased is Ducatti and my dealer preference every time is with Skoda.

Maybe you need to ask yourself why you're on this anti-Skoda crusade? You're obviously deeply troubled about the plight of the poor twincharger owners but why? After all, it's not happened to you, so why?

I am on one because i have access to the Numbers of vehicles involved in Warranty Claims and Information & Reports and Engineers Reports 

that can assist members when Customer Services & the Manufacturers HQ's are letting them down.

 

Myself and some others have the Information that can assist Members here that have had to go for Legal Advice & look at taking 

Actions in Court against Skoda, VW, Seat or Audi.

 

So some inside knowledge and information and sources that are very useful when required,

and people that can not risk their employment to whistle blow.

 

If the Volkswagen Group ever want to take legal action against me for Defamation, then they are welcome to,

but they better have a good case to show their Reputation is being wrongly Defamed, slandered or libeled.

There is enough evidence around to show where they do what is published that they do.

They will need a good legal team if they want to go into a Court in Scotland.

 

Defamation is an interesting thing for the EU Corporation to take to a Scottish Court.

& Scottish Law might be the reason some Members have come out well against VWG Companies 

when demanding proper redress over the Faulty Cars they purchased expecting them to be of merchantable Quality,

& Fit for Purpose.

 

How Fleet & Business users are treated differently from Private Individuals has been a bit of a scandal over the years,

but that will also be an interesting thing to be introduced where someone has to go to court, individually or as 

part of a Class Action.

 

http://honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/skoda/fabia-vrs-2010/?section=good

http://facebook.com/DSGUkGroup

Edited 31 December, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

But surely being in possession of that information is a bit chicken and egg?

It never happened to you but you're actively chasing up people who have had it happen to them so you can compare responses, compensation etc. etc. and you admit you're building a dossier to use against Skoda UK.

simply being in possession of the information doesn't explain why you have made derogatory statements about Skoda, their CEO, their dealers and, indeed, their cars. It does seem a fraction excessive, don't you think?