Has anyone any experience of one particular corner in various cars? How much does corner speed vary in different cars? I use the slip road comming off at wigan as an example. I used to have a lowered saxo vtr and could take this particular corner easy at 80. Simular in my fabia vrs with modded suspension and just a little over 70 in my octy estate.never drove a faster car round the same corner but it would be interesting to see what the likes of a vxr or st would be like.

Deja vu on that one.

When you asked the same sort of thing about a car on the slip road, was it not odd tyres you had on your car?

 

EDIT, different subject but similar.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/314750-accord-ctdi-surprise

Edited 13 January, 201511 yr by goneoffSKi

Lol you have a good memory dont ya! Lol. Yeah forgot about that one. Yeah simular kind of thread i suppose. Was just thinkin before as i was hanging onto the corner i wonder what speed an st would be goin round here

Try a citreon AX with oversized wheels.

Anything above 40 and you risk a full spin out.

Thats when you get to 40mph. Takes a while with 40 something BHP

Lol you have a good memory dont ya! Lol. Yeah forgot about that one. Yeah simular kind of thread i suppose. Was just thinkin before as i was hanging onto the corner i wonder what speed an st would be goin round here

Following a fiesta ST last night.

It pulled out on me n my mate (in his R33 skyline), he kept it booted though. Obv no problem keeping up with 320bhp.

Followed him into the corners, which i was quite excited about. Is heard theyre the best handling hatch, so was looking forward to seeing it lift its back wheel.

But it didnt. He nearly stopped. He was terrible. Then he booted it again when the road opened up.

Cornering speed? Down to the driver haha.

Slip roads and especially slip roads near Service Areas are never the best place to try out cornering speeds or the adhesion the tyres have.

 

HGV's and others are prone to fuel spillage after leaving from doing fill ups. and it can make for interesting break away speeds when you hit 

the Derv just as you are finding how well your vehicle grips & the G Forces you might achieve.

Not too far from me I have an exit from an elevated dual carriage way with a sweeping 180 degree bend.

It's been fun testing the mods as I've been fitting them. Increased my speed by over 10mph.

The car will go faster, but I'll not push it

The only vehicles I have experience of in this way are my car and the motorhome... safe to say the motorhome doesn't quite handle the same as the car round the same bends!

 

Phil

I followed some cars round some corners and they stayed on the correct side of the road through the corners. However I stayed on the right side That was probably my tyres though, any bit of damp and they just slide.

The southbound exit slip at Usk on the A449 will test you. A 270 degree spiral of tightening radius, but with the high mu surface. I once "followed" a Vectra (I was in an '05 Honda Accord) who fishtailed out of the last 30 degrees and 50 yards. How the heel he missed the barrier or me was a mystery, but it's a fun corner full of surprises. You'll find out the max grip alright, but not intentionally.

The southbound exit slip at Usk on the A449 will test you. A 270 degree spiral of tightening radius, but with the high mu surface. I once "followed" a Vectra (I was in an '05 Honda Accord) who fishtailed out of the last 30 degrees and 50 yards. How the heel he missed the barrier or me was a mystery, but it's a fun corner full of surprises. You'll find out the max grip alright, but not intentionally.

Some slip roads are mental arent they haha. Just keep going round.

Lucky he held that! Id of thought a vectra woulda understeered liked a good'en tbh haha

He did understeer as the first "error", and lifted off which started the back end of the car off. It's tight, and often cars on the inside lane just drift across, so it's not one to race someone round, but this numpty tried it. I backed off a bit as i could see it might all go horribly wrong, luckily otherwise he would have swiped me.

This has been in another thread about the footage,

going up this slip in the dark, wet and at speed soon shows how good your tyres, car or driving is.

 

This is a slip road off the A90 you go up before going into Aberdeen if you are going down to the harbour maybe.

I know why she got it wrong, the marking up the top are often worn away, she thought it was a Dual Carriageway still and instead of 

going out by the single left lane and joining North bound went down the up slip.

Edited 13 January, 201511 yr by goneoffSKi

Corner speeds vary a lot don't they.

I like a few corners on the way to work.

One about 40mph, one about 60mph.

Always thought the Yeti was good with it's 4x4 and ARBs.

Out cornered a lot of other cars on track.

But the Fiesta ST can go round almost 10% faster.

It's not that far away from the GT-R!

Anywhere with bends out here is either stupid or in a speed limit, Clio doesn't corner quick enough but then again it's not designed to.

Edit- apart from a few lovely stretches out here.

The southbound exit slip at Usk on the A449 will test you. A 270 degree spiral of tightening radius, but with the high mu surface. I once "followed" a Vectra (I was in an '05 Honda Accord) who fishtailed out of the last 30 degrees and 50 yards. How the heel he missed the barrier or me was a mystery, but it's a fun corner full of surprises. You'll find out the max grip alright, but not intentionally.

 

I reckon this one is even tighter!!

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Usk,+Monmouthshire+NP15/@51.7672079,-2.8319038,3a,90y,301.76h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sNyyVWRpxZMuSmh5vmvuITQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x4871c118b764ba9f:0x2b773c1d5b9e032f?hl=en

Corner speeds vary a lot don't they.

I like a few corners on the way to work.

One about 40mph, one about 60mph.

Always thought the Yeti was good with it's 4x4 and ARBs.

Out cornered a lot of other cars on track.

But the Fiesta ST can go round almost 10% faster.

It's not that far away from the GT-R!

And equally cars that ought to be quick are a real disappointment. Honda Accord 2.4, and the octavia vRS!

Following a fiesta ST last night.

It pulled out on me n my mate (in his R33 skyline), he kept it booted though. Obv no problem keeping up with 320bhp.

Followed him into the corners, which i was quite excited about. Is heard theyre the best handling hatch, so was looking forward to seeing it lift its back wheel.

But it didnt. He nearly stopped. He was terrible. Then he booted it again when the road opened up.

Cornering speed? Down to the driver haha.

You're probably right, I'm still a bit nervous in my Octy though. It's great on bigger sweeping corners, but it feels a bit like a big old barge in the smaller, tighter ones. It's probably not that bad, but compared to my Fabia, that thing felt like a little go-kart and I was quite happy chucking that all over the place. But then I don't look at the speedo through them, and the Octy is considerably faster, so I may be going faster anyway. In fact I probably am.

 

Conclusion: ignore me, I'm rambling.

Edited 13 January, 201511 yr by samj2013

I reckon this one is even tighter!!

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Usk,+Monmouthshire+NP15/@51.7672079,-2.8319038,3a,90y,301.76h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sNyyVWRpxZMuSmh5vmvuITQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x4871c118b764ba9f:0x2b773c1d5b9e032f?hl=en

It looks it from the pics, but in practice it's pretty tame, partly because there is a longer braking zone into the bend, and it's much better sighted. The Usk exit just leaps out at you from behind the bushes.

Corner speed is really only down to two things in my mind

 

1) Balance of the car (including weight overall and its distribution)

 

2) qualty, width, size. of the tyres.

 

So essentially my Fabia will corner fairly well with its improvements but ultimately it is not a serious cornering machine due to the pig iron engine.  I've not driven a car which can corner faster to really compare though.  Sometimes (actually quite often) most corners are not the safest places to be pushing it to the limit.  I prefer to save that for the racetrack.

Corner speed is really only down to two things in my mind

1) Balance of the car (including weight overall and its distribution)

2) qualty, width, size. of the tyres.

So essentially my Fabia will corner fairly well with its improvements but ultimately it is not a serious cornering machine due to the pig iron engine. I've not driven a car which can corner faster to really compare though. Sometimes (actually quite often) most corners are not the safest places to be pushing it to the limit. I prefer to save that for the racetrack.

And the drivers bottle

And the drivers bottle

 

I assume in my scenario the stig is driving all the cars under test

 

Driver variability shouldn't come in to it. Just car characteristics.

 

There's a corner off the M5 to the A30 (link below) which is a 30 "advised" limit.  mongrel happily does 70 around it in the summer when its warm, car is warm and tyres are warm.  Is it safe?  Well, probably not.  Time and a place to be driving like that.  It might do 80 if I really kept on it.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.680747,-3.513741,3a,75y,185.61h,84.39t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQ2hZVK-nY1RubI1n8F5ZFw!2e0

I seldom use Cruise Control and know my local roads very well and i might just carry the speed limit when all is clear and well.

 

The other night i was feeling like just having an easy osey drive and set the Cruise Control a bit lower than i normally drive that stretch of road,

it was only a few corners after i set it that i thought, stuff this for soldiers, that was just a bit hairy with the cruise control holding the speed

its way, while i would have maybe lifted off while keeping up the speed & then been back on the throttle.

 

There are drivers i know that are a bit like Cruise Control, keeping the toe down and getting around the corners but the cars balance is just not right.

Problem is that the limit around most corners isn't grip it's limit point. Just isn't safe to smash it around fast unsighted bends, especially at the speeds cars are capable of. 

Problem is that the limit around most corners isn't grip it's limit point. Just isn't safe to smash it around fast unsighted bends, especially at the speeds cars are capable of.

Completely agree.

You end up too committed on the limit.

Let's face it, anything could be around the corner.

I always leave abit in it, no matter what im in/on