Octavia II, pre-FL ---> FL ... when (prod.date) ?

[HansH]

I'm trying to find some info about the cutover between pre-FL and FL.

I found this (taken from www.octinfo.com)

 

30.09.2008.
This is the last day when factory order can be placed on original Octavia 2.

01.10.2008.
From this day factory order of Octavia is not possible until 6th October.

 

It only says when factory orders can be placed.

 

My question is about actual production date. Did actual production of pre-FL end on a certain date, and from that day on only FL was produced ..... or were pre-FL and FL produced in parallel for a period ?

 

And if they weren't produced in parallel what's the cutover date ?

 

[silver1011]

I've never seen a FL in the UK with a pre-2009 number plate so I'm guessing it was sometime early in 2009 when production began, with vehicles arriving in the UK sometime after March 2009.

 

There are several 2009 Octavia Scout's out there with the pre-FL front end but new FL interior, wing mirrors and rear lights!

[HansH]

But according to octinfo.com (the writer is Hungarian) the first FL appeared at the local dealer on 18.12.2008:

 

18.12.2008.
Finally arrives the firs facelifted Octavia 2 to one of the local dealers and I can examine it in real.

 

So assembly of FL must have started already in 2008.

And it's the build date of the first FL I'm trying to find...

 

My theory is that when you say Octavia MY2009 it can be both pre-FL and FL. When you look up parts in ETKA it's vital to know the vehicles build date. But in this case I suspect that the build date doesn't clearly identify pre-FL or FL ...... if they were built in parallel.

[Brimma]

I can't help thinking you'll have to contact Skoda direct if you want an exact answer

[HansH]

I can't help thinking you'll have to contact Skoda direct if you want an exact answer

Of course.

I just thought .... there are many enthusiasts in here. Someone might know this also..

[karlos1987]

Original pre-FL order was possible till summer of 2008, in august is always change of MY. RS and SCOUT version were possible order till 2009.

[HansH]

Phoned spare parts dept. at local dealer.

They confirmed that production of pre-FL and FL overlap. They couldn't tell exact "last build date" of pre-FL or "first build date" of FL.

Conclusion must be that VIN doesn't provide an unambigous answer to whether it's a pre-FL or an FL in the case of MY2009 Octavia.

Both will be model code 1Z and 10th digit will be a "9" in either case.

Even knowing the exact build date of the vehicle doesn't guarantee to bring the answer, since it could be both if it's within the overlap period.

Cool.....

Edited 23 March, 2015 by HansH

[Eddie-NL]

also another point to note is that there are several pre-facelift cars that have some facelift electronics and parts

 

BCM instead of CECM & CCM

White Cluster

Newer Climate Panel

FL Mirrors

 

but have Pre-facelift bumper, headlights and bonnet

[HansH]

Chaos rules !

But then.... I wonder how the spare part guy finds out which part to order based on VIN ?!?

The only thing VIN is used for in ETKA is to identify MY by looking at the 10th digit.

Then ETKA shows all possible parts and usually a combination of build date and PR-codes would be used to determine if it's part A or B that should be ordered.

 

As far as I understand the only bullet proof method in the case of an Octy MY2009 would be to have access to the car and look at the components it's built of !.

But in many cases that won't be an option. When the garage orders parts for a repair it would be ridiculous to ask the customer to come by with the car so they can disassemble it in order to find out what's needed.....

 

I don't get it ....... this is not the way VAG usually works

[karlos1987]

Main different in pre-FL and FL cars is in electronic (front parts are not important). end of production in 2008 is full of hybrids etc. But this chaos is by Skoda absolutly normal in all car lines;)

[HansH]

Main different in pre-FL and FL cars is in electronic (front parts are not important). end of production in 2008 is full of hybrids etc. But this chaos is by Skoda absolutly normal in all car lines;)

 

Yes. Guy at local dealer pointed out it was same thing with the Octy I Tour which continued long time after Octy II was introduced.

But at least in that particular case the model codes are different (1U and 1Z) !

 

I still can't figure out how they know what parts to order if they just have the VIN for a 2009 ..... ??!?????

[karlos1987]

There is small mistake

 

1U is old Octy 1, start of production in 1996, series end in 2003 and after that was tour serie till 2010, but still 1U.

 

Octy 2 start in 2004, pre-FL end in 2008 and FL cars end in 2013. Octy 2 tour model started in 2010 and end in 2012. But Octy 2 tour is hybrid of pre-FL and FL car and prima configuration (very limited).

 

What important, FL cars has all korean style front lights, big mirrors and different cluster. Very rare hybrids from 2008-2009 are almost not possible buy, so dont worry;)

[tom164]

I have a 09 plate pre face lift but it has new style dash but old style seats. New style wing mirrors etc..

[Atty]

I have an 09 plate pre FL VRS with FL interior, wing mirrors & CR engine.

[HansH]

OMG.... tom164 and Atty; you're just adding fuel to the fire

But I guess you're confirming what Ed already pointed out......

[tom164]

Hah forgot to mention pre face lift but I have the tsi engine not the tfsi

[karlos1987]

Guys, Oficial date are on internet, after that is important time of order from dealer, RS and SCOUT had longer life cyclet that normal Octavia, I wrote it:

 

Posted Today, 10:26

Original pre-FL order was possible till summer of 2008, in august is always change of MY. RS and SCOUT version were possible order till 2009.

[willy0329]

Yes. Guy at local dealer pointed out it was same thing with the Octy I Tour which continued long time after Octy II was introduced.

But at least in that particular case the model codes are different (1U and 1Z) !

 

I still can't figure out how they know what parts to order if they just have the VIN for a 2009 ..... ??!?????

The mk1 was face lifted as well in 2000 , so there would be the same isues there as well ,

[HansH]

Update...

 

I've just had a small 'jam session' with local dealer's spare part guy to find out how his (online) ETKA behaves compared to my (offline) ETKA.

 

As test case we picked my vehicle and looked it up in ETKA via VIN and went into picture 920 which is the instrument cluster.

 

* my offline ETKA shows all possible clusters for an Octy 2010, i.e. versions with km/h and mp/h, minidot, maxidot, diesel, petrol .... etc. I must figure out myself (via PR-codes) which version(s) are suitable for my car.

* dealers online ETKA also shows all possible clusters - BUT it highlights the version fitted to my car by factory !!

 

Conclusion #1: dealer's ETKA knows exactly what parts a particular vehicle (based on VIN) is built of due to being online with VAG main server.

 

Conclusion #2: the confusion about overlapping build dates, hybrids etc. etc. is only a problem for us as 'hobby retrofitters' because we don't have an online ETKA.

Edited 24 March, 2015 by HansH