http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32512152

 

Brilliant - just bought a Greenline Business Estate thinking it was the best thing for the environment, 0% tax band etc.  Anyone got any links of substance to the details of what's likely to happen?

Action on UK air quality is long overdue. No idea what will happen, but we do urgently need to reduce the about of diesel burnt in urban areas.

No buses, vans and lorries then?

Sorry, but it just isnt going to happen ...soon

Strange that this has just been highlighted during a General Election Campaign....LOL

Here come the Greens

It's a flawed system, discounts for diesels on CO2 as emissions are lower, however N2O emissions are higher with diesels, but this is not incorporated into car tax, as it was deemed a lower impact than CO2, could car tax bands be changed to incorporate both and result in equal bands?

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I don't really see this as a political or green issue. Its a legal and health issue. The UK's been in breach for years and thousands of people are dieing as a result, surely everyone can get behind efforts to improve air quality?

No buses, vans and lorries then?

Sorry, but it just isnt going to happen ...soon

Strange that this has just been highlighted during a General Election Campaign....LOL

Buses and lorries already have tougher emission limits for London but you cant compare one bus to one car anyway

 

Berlin have already banned some diesels and Paris is staring a rolling ban from this summer 

 

Its happening NOW

 

But provided you have a diesel made in the last 15 years you'll probably be ok for a while so I wouldnt sweat yet OP it probably wont effect you for the life of your car

 

I bet the government WILL use this as a means to increase the tax on diesels and possibly the fuel duty

 

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/paris-moves-ban-most-polluting-vehicles-its-roads

Its also worth pointing out there's been a massive fall in VED recently with 7 out of ten new cars exempt in their first year and then falling in lower bands than equivalent cars a few years ago. Also remember how fuel duty has been frozen (a cut in real terms) over the last 5 years.

Past polity has been focused on CO2 and has delivered large cuts and savings. I think its right for air quality to take the lead now - and yes, for dirty cars to pay more just as inefficient cars did over the last decade.

What are the specifics on the Octavia range?  I thought their NOx was about as low as diesels can get for the moment.... I can only hope that as with CO2, any tax will be emissions dependent.

What are the specifics on the Octavia range?  I thought their NOx was about as low as diesels can get for the moment.... I can only hope that as with CO2, any tax will be emissions dependent.

No NOx data in the Octavia catalogue , its almost like they dont want you to make an informed decision

 

Mind you Nox can rise by four times when the dpf is regeneration but they dont count that

In the short-term, you just know car tax will go up because rises in the big taxes like income tax, VAT and NI have been ruled out or are just unpopular. So diesels will be an easy target, and I bet all levels will rise.

Step 2 has to be the car manufacturers introducing more effective anti-NOx measures to protect their investment in diesel, and VAG ought to be in the vanguard of this.

Step 3 will be a move away from diesel towards petrol, hybrid and electric...and a chamge in the way we use cars generally.

Can't speak for lorries, but the bus issue isn't as big as you might think - many are low emission, hybrid and electric now.

I would be very annoyed if they did increase the tax after I bought mine last September. One of the reasons I bought it was the £30 tax a year.

No NOx data in the Octavia catalogue , its almost like they dont want you to make an informed decision

Mind you Nox can rise by four times when the dpf is regeneration but they dont count that

Data for the 2.0 TDI CR vRS

CO 0.26

CO2 emissions 119 g/km

Noise level 74 dB(A)

NOx 0.135

Particles 0

Data for the 2.0 TSI vRS

CO 0.39

CO2 emissions 142 g/km

Noise level 74 dB(A)

NOx 0.043

Particles 0.0003

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I don't really see this as a political or green issue. Its a legal and health issue. The UK's been in breach for years and thousands of people are dieing as a result, surely everyone can get behind efforts to improve air quality?

Cite needed.

Can't speak for lorries, but the bus issue isn't as big as you might think - many are low emission, hybrid and electric now.

 

I think that very much depends where you live.  I can see that being the case down south in London but not round here.  And the last time I did some AQ calcs you needed more than 26 people on a bus to break even with 26 people in typical cars in terms of emmissions.  More than 26 on a bus and you gain, less and you lose....   but the buses still run regardless - often with less than a handful of people on them.

I think the point really is that us lot driving around in our modern EU5 (now EU6) DPF equipped diesels are not so much the issue.

The driving problem is that diesels have been popular for the past 20 years or so due to their much inproved performance and superior fuel economy and these older vehicles are still rattling around on our roads generating endless amounts of soot and NOx.

The government would do well to offer financial incentives/reintroduce the scrappage scheme to rid of anything particularly old or below a certain EU emissions level as thats really the way they'll get levels down....get some of the older diesel sheds that are really causing the problems off the road.

Errr....Wasnt it the Labour Party that said Diesels were clean?

Typical newspaper nonsense.

All manufacturers are going down the road of Urea being sprayed into the hot end of exhausts to break down the NOx most manufacturers I'd Diesel engines already have these systems ready.

So thank you EU, we now have to carry round a tank of.....**** just to meet ridiculous emission levels, and no I don't accept that thousands are dying in cities due to Diesel engines, total nonsense. More die being run over by hybrid cars and that's not many!

Our roads are the safest in Europe.

Also, son of DPFs will appear on petrol cars also, PPFs Also DPFs will become unable to be removed or blocked in EU6c engines

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Errr....Wasnt it the Labour Party that said Diesels were clean?

 

I don't think anyone has ever made a black and white claim like that.

At the time the tax system was last changed completely, CO2 was the most significant environmental factor that people were concerned about, so that was what was used as a metric for both VED and company car tax.

 

Under that system, Diesel cars had an advantage so that's what a lot of people went for, and the manufacturers responded by making big improvements in efficiency. That's going to have hurt government tax revenues a bit as more cars are now paying £30 a year or less compared to 10 years back.

 

Now, other pollutants are the "worst" offenders so I wouldn't be surprised if we get a surcharge for non-Euro 6 diesels being introduced.

 

Now, other pollutants are the "worst" offenders so I wouldn't be surprised if we get a surcharge for non-Euro 6 diesels being introduced.

That has already been muted for inner London and Manchester.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32512152

 

Brilliant - just bought a Greenline Business Estate thinking it was the best thing for the environment, 0% tax band etc.  Anyone got any links of substance to the details of what's likely to happen?

LOL - That report is just sheer genius. 

 

"The official number of early deaths from air pollution in the UK is put at 29,000 a year -this does not include all air pollutants, including NO2, which is produced by emissions from diesel-powered vehicles."

 

So they have no idea how diesel emissions affect health but will shout about it anyway.

 

Mike Hawes, chief executive of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT), said: "Policies to improve air quality should focus on encouraging the uptake of the latest low emission vehicles, while also addressing other sources such as electricity generation and heating, which between them account for more than half of NOx emitted in the UK (Defra figures).

 

Another LOL - Mr Hawes, how does the electricity that charges up the low emission vehicles get generated?.  Is that socket on the wall of your garage full of eco rainbows and unicorns.

 

In 20-30 years or so it won't matter anyway as all cars will be self driven, powered by godknowswhat.  No more thing as a 'motorist'. 

Data for the 2.0 TDI CR vRS

CO 0.26

CO2 emissions 119 g/km

Noise level 74 dB(A)

NOx 0.135

Particles 0

Data for the 2.0 TSI vRS

CO 0.39

CO2 emissions 142 g/km

Noise level 74 dB(A)

NOx 0.043

Particles 0.0003

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Is that data in the brochure ?

 

So they have no idea how diesel emissions affect health but will shout about it anyway.

 

They know how Nitrogen Dioxide effects health there have been many studies , they know that diesel engines produce high levels of nitrogen dioxides so it seems logical that if you want to reduce the level of nitrogen dioxides in a city you target the worst offenders first

I don't really see this as a political or green issue. Its a legal and health issue. The UK's been in breach for years and thousands of people are dieing as a result, surely everyone can get behind efforts to improve air quality?

However this country suffered recently from airborne pollution which for the most part was blown in from neighbouring European countries. I agree we must play our part in reducing pollution, but we could be penalised for pollution levels over which we have no control.

Edited 30 April, 201511 yr by kalpat

Production and recycling of hybrid car batteries causes an abhorrent amount of environmental damage but thats obviously overlooked too.