Just thought I'd revive this one a bit. Surely others are experiencing clutch slippage following "tweaks" :(

So, carrying on from Ross' excellent thread, here

I've been phoning around to determine my options. As I see it, I have the following:

1) Helix clutch

2) Sachs Motorsport organic clutch + pressure plate

3) Sachs Motorsport scintered clutch + pressure plate.

I'm pretty decided on option 2 as it will provide the closest to original feel, although apparently the pressure plate makes the pedal push harder. I thought clutch was hydraulic on PD130 engines so is it a harder push :confused:

Anyway, looking at the part numbers Ross obtained, it all makes sense. There's even Sach's Race-Engineering price list available here (in pdf format) and given exchange rate fluctuations, it all seems to tie up

People I've phoned so far are IP, Jabba and Allard. All have been most helpful in advising and giving pricing info for supplying and optionally fitting.

Has anyone actually gone down the uprated clutch route? I'd be interested to hear of any feedback.

I'm going to have to bite the bullet pretty soon. Since fitting FMIC, clutch is dieing alarmingly quick. :( Makes driving almost a little tricky as the slightest bit of beans causes mega slippage

One other thing you may need to consider Xavier is a flywheel if yours is damaged.

Jason has an uprated clutch doesn't he. Don't know if it's the Sachs one though.

As with other VAG cars including the 1.8t will the corrado G60 fit, cheaper option for an upgrade using std VAG Parts. I know Jabba have done a few & I am fairly certain they will cope with the torque a Diesel can throw at them

Xav,

Be sure to let us know how you get on with this, especially as the notes say the sintered plate is more suited to motorsport use as opposed to everday driving and wears out more.

I ask because, although we both know mine isn't as "aggressive" as yours (thanks for scaring me witless btw, love the brakes), the clutch is going to have to uprated to avoid the problems you're having at the mo.

Jason got his clutch through JBS, have you asked them Xav?

I could never actually find anyone who sold the Sachs one.

I'm going to have to bite the bullet pretty soon. Since fitting FMIC' date=' clutch is dieing alarmingly quick. :( Makes driving almost a little tricky as the slightest bit of beans causes mega slippage [/quote']

Didnt know your car had any beans xav

as ross says, try JBS.. altho last time someone *cough* checked, they were struggling to get hold of their kevlar jobbies.

Definitely interested in more on this - my clutch is standard, and I don't have a remap, but insurance permitting the rest of the car will be 'ready for it' come renewal time.

I'm pretty sure that with the stuff I've got going on the standard clutch won't last unless I get the custom map tuned down significantly when I get it done, which would be pretty annoying, so if I can get it prepped that would be better

Yep - mine is from JBS - with brisky discount was

Just as a side issue for the few of us who are running pd100 the G60 clutch and flywheel in mine has now done in excess of 20k with no problems, copes well with the abuse from the learners and has zero slippage.

Just as a side issue for the few of us who are running pd100 the G60 clutch and flywheel in mine has now done in excess of 20k with no problems, copes well with the abuse from the learners and has zero slippage.

I know of someone whos running close to 400 little horsies in a Golf with this set up & its fine & does get "used!!"

The Helix single mass flywheel would appear to be a VERY good mod - The only drawback I've noticed (and maybe a few others at TSR did ) was the HORRID rattle in neutral with the clutch disengaged.... :( But apparently it is 5kg lighter than the dual equivalent with no loss of pedal feel that everyone seems to worry about.

Thats the whole point behind a dual mass flywheel, to iron out excees vibration from those nasty oil burners!!

I'd definitely get a dual mass one for that reason alone - wouldnt want to cause those vibrations to batter your gearbox to bits

Hi

Yes agree that the dual mass is there to take out the vibrations.

The Kevlar one does require a super machine face.

I did ask why this was , something to do with the fine material and if it is not machined would wear it quicker but it did get a little technical.

But it does require this.

If it didnt it would make it easier for us.

The Sachs ones we can get too.

As Sarah said, the Sachs one is quite up to it

The only reason why I've been thinking about the Sachs with uprated pressure place and clutch is because I don't want to have the rattles / hassles / unknown long-term reliability of SMF.

I'm not knocking the JBS Kevlar kit at all, Jason's well happy with it and so he should be. I just don't have the luxury of having my "mongrel" in bits and no need to use if for a week required to have the flywheel refaced.

The Sachs kit is an easy "plug-in" option. I've been phoning around, and everyone I've spoken to has checked out with Sachs HQ and they can have the parts in 2 days. Combine that with the fact it's a "simple" gearbox-out-and-change-clutch process, there's no additional costs of machining flywheels or doing other extra bits of labout.

As a matter of fact, I have a quote for fitting it for about

Yes this is a good clutch.

Would not knock it.

We have fitted these before.

I understand what you mean about the ease of the Sachs one.

As for the feel of it as far as I can remember there was not much difference in the feel.

Sarah

Combine that with the fact it's a "simple" gearbox-out-and-change-clutch process

Yeah sounds simple that Xavier - you gonna knock out over your lunch break

It sounds so simple that if I had not help change a clutch on a Pug 205 I would have nearly believed it

Hence why "simple" was in quotes

I just meant there was no machining of flywheels or other preparation work required. Just a straight "swap-out". Note use of quotemarks here too :P

May not be over a lunch break, but I think

Well, as we're in the spirit of :P smiles, it is a "simple" job - once the engine is out. :P :P :P Took about 20 minutes for full remove & refit (ignoring the week inbetween of course )

Just as a side issue for the few of us who are running pd100 the G60 clutch and flywheel in mine has now done in excess of 20k with no problems, copes well with the abuse from the learners and has zero slippage.

I know nothing about clutches. Is this a dual mass flywheel? And is the clutch better than the original in the PD100?

Mine is going :(

My approach for clutch replacement is basically:

1. If the car is kept standard then it's not worth uprating it, generally speaking.

2. If you uprate the power output of the car in any shape, and the clutch goes as a result, it's pretty pointless replacing it with the same item again as it will just fail again. As you are paying for the labour, plus parts, it IN THAT CASE makes loads more sense to change it to a superiour part.

The G60 is able to take much more than the standard PD100 clutch, and similarly that Sachs one for the vRS is a good upgrade.

I have a feeling I won't be able to replace the clutch for a while yet, but assuming the remap happens early next year it will probably need to be done sometime next year

I know nothing about clutches. Is this a dual mass flywheel? And is the clutch better than the original in the PD100?

Mine is going :(

I have the PD130 clutch bits and bobs, only 7500 miles, if that would see you through for a while? Otherwise you may as well uprate properly.

edit: NO it aint, its the pd100 clutch and bits with 60,000 on them Forgot JBS had the PD130 one. So, no point you bothering at all unless it goes big time. Was fine for me though, running 150bhp.

Well, I phoned up to order the parts today, and provisionally booked in for Friday. Will report when there's an update

Parts have arrived at said tuner. Booked in for tomorrow. I'll report when it's done :D

Anyone wanting to, can give my clutch a bit of a bruising in WSM - I won't mind. The clutch won't mind at all.

Look forward to hearing reports on your new one, Xav.