Labour party election

[cheezemonkhai]

Wonder if this should be included in a dictionary somewhere:

Politician

One who earns a living by the avoidance of work.

[Ootohere]

Never elected or deselected politicians.   Cashing in on past favours and notoriety or incompetence.  see also peers of the realm

[moley]

Checking the Radio Times this evening I notice that there is some old re vamped comedy from a previous era on the BBC4 at 9.00. It's Hancock's Half Hour, meantime at 9.00 on BBC1  there is some old re vamped comedy from a previous era. Question Time with Corbyn and Smith. 

[lol-lol]

Checking the Radio Times this evening I notice that there is some old re vamped comedy from a previous era on the BBC4 at 9.00. It's Hancock's Half Hour, meantime at 9.00 on BBC1  there is some old re vamped comedy from a previous era. Question Time with Corbyn and Smith. 

 

Oh thanks for posting that else I would not have even looked at QT being on until 1030-ish.

 

I had Smith's Team phone me last night but I told them I was not too impressed with Smith and would probably vote Corbyn, I go the impression that he was hearing that line quite a lot.

 

Still have not voted and will probably do so online to save the party money rather than post so maybe the QT program will chase my mind or perhaps confirm it.

 

I wonder if Sadiq Khan's support for Smith will get much of a mention.  I hope it is good natured and they can all come together after the vote at the end of the vote.

[cheezemonkhai]

Well if corbyn gets in, Theresa may can do what she likes for the next 10 years.

[gadgetman]

Well if corbyn gets in, Theresa may can do what she likes for the next 10 years.

She already is.

[lol-lol]

Well if corbyn gets in, Theresa may can do what she likes for the next 10 years.

 

It will depend just how bad the next 4 years are.  Governments are more often voted out than parties voted in.

 

If it does go as many of the economic experts reckon ie Bank of England, Bloomberg, PwC etc ie quickly increasing inflation, wages again not keeping pace as in the 2008 to 2012, more expensive foreign holidays, a rise in interest rates to try and defend the pound falling further the popularity of the Cons will dive.  The votes may go in all directions UKIP, Lib-Dems etc as voters in the 3 lower quartiles suffer big time, much as happened with the ERM fiasco which did for the Cons in the mid nineties in their last term in sole power.

 

I thought Corbyn spoke much better than Smith in the Question Time debate and I expect the original quarter of a million members to still vote for him plus at least half of the newer members who can vote so I would reckon a good majority for Corbyn over Smith and then he can get on with challenging policies, and winning, like the disability allowance changes.    

[cheezemonkhai]

It will depend just how bad the next 4 years are.  Governments are more often voted out than parties voted in.

 

If it does go as many of the economic experts reckon ie Bank of England, Bloomberg, PwC etc ie quickly increasing inflation, wages again not keeping pace as in the 2008 to 2012, more expensive foreign holidays, a rise in interest rates to try and defend the pound falling further the popularity of the Cons will dive.  The votes may go in all directions UKIP, Lib-Dems etc as voters in the 3 lower quartiles suffer big time, much as happened with the ERM fiasco which did for the Cons in the mid nineties in their last term in sole power.

 

I thought Corbyn spoke much better than Smith in the Question Time debate and I expect the original quarter of a million members to still vote for him plus at least half of the newer members who can vote so I would reckon a good majority for Corbyn over Smith and then he can get on with challenging policies, and winning, like the disability allowance changes.

Outside of the hard left bubble, few people will really vote in a government lead by that man.

I know plenty of life long voters who are quite offended by some of what is said by corbyn, even though they agree with 80% of what he says.

Others supporting JC are not exactly winning friends either when, they're stating support Jezza or get deselected.

Nobody likes a bully.

[Aspman]

 

They just can never go and get a job working for a living where they need to earn for a company and show they have actual commercial viability.

Researchers, Advisers, Politicians, Self Publicists, celebrities seems to be about as much as they want to be.

Peerages for some of them if they do not upset the ones that decide who gets on the lucrative gravy train without having to do that much once they get the golden ticket.

 

That's because they're all unemployable gob****es.

 

They've spent their whole live working towards the point where they can try to run everyone else's lives in a manner they are unaccountable for.

Can you imaging them working for someone?

Can you imaging an ex-politician stacking shelves?

 

"Why haven't you finished facing off the beans Ed?"

"Well, due to an unexpected interruption in the European supply chain framework I've had to reposition the bean facing into a new project framework"

"Just face off the ****ing beans Ed"

"Look, we're working had on repositioning the beans for working families and we're absolutely committed to delivering that"

"When, and what ****ing 'We' you're the only one in?"

"Look, it's a mater of national interest to ensure that working families have access to the foods they need and my department is applying for the appropriate resources to ensure delivery of that aim."

"Get the **** out Ed!".

[lol-lol]

Thought Corbyn spoke well on QT last week, much better than Smith and I expect his campaign will benefit, the numbers who vote in total and who vote for him I expect to a clear mandate to move forward as leader with renewed gusto.

 

It is clear that the Labour party has moved on in the Post-Blair era to one that is more centre left than just left of centre and Corbyn explain that he thought the electorate would move towards him as the actual degree of economic hardship starts to bite with the downturn in the economy seen post BREXIT.

 

I hear Cameron is resigning as an MP, wonder what job he will end up doing, if anything?

[gadgetman]

In times of hardship generally voting moves right or stays in the centre.

Corbyn is toast. Thankfully the boundary changes will remove his constituency soon, so his reign will be short lived anyway

[lol-lol]

In times of hardship generally voting moves right or stays in the centre.   Corbyn is toast. Thankfully the boundary changes will remove his constituency soon, so his reign will be short lived anyway

 

However the boundaries are recut that area of London is pretty solid Labour and with Sadiq Khan supporting the elections, and with the developing issues with Education, the NHS and the direction of the economy currently and how bad it will be then unless the Cons change their direction there will be more than the 63.1% that did not vote for the Cons at the last election.    

[Scribbler]

QT last night should have illustrated to anyone how damaged the Labour Party are. They have managed to mobilize thousands of university kids who lets face it have the time to protest and be angry about things i suspect for most will change their political orientation once they start having to work for a living and have assets and income. But what good does that do for the Labour Party? Kids who have no real life experience deciding the political future of the country. And reducing the age for voting whats that all about? Kids can't even leave school at 16 anymore they have to stay till they are 18 because lets face it they are still kids so why give them a vote when they know nothing.

I know they are all opinionated at that age and think they know everything as was I. But in retrospect i knew nothing. The Labour Party is doomed and has lost touch with reality. Like the Panel were saying its not even JC thats the problem its his support staff JC is just the figure head for the militant left.

[Ootohere]

Obviously you are talking about School leaving age in England and not in Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland.

& the School Leaving age for England will have been imposed by the UK Government with MP's allowing that change.

 

16 & 17 Year olds having a vote in Parliament & Referendum has not been as issue were it has happened in the last 2 years.

They have longer lives to live and if young people change opinions there will be elections coming up in just another few years where they can change their minds.

 

There are plenty Young Conservatives in Britain & Conservative supporters that are young and take part in politics and if they have a vote may use it.

Edited 16 September, 2016 by GoneOffSKi

[lol-lol]

Election odds for this leadership election.  (Own Smith odds still way out)

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/labour-leadership-election

 

Next PM (JC 5/1), Boris (7/1) etc. Highest individual score.

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-prime-minister

 

Interesting odds on such things and if I were a betting man......  

Edited 16 September, 2016 by lol-lol

[gadgetman]

So votings closed. Seen some who claim they're "aligned with Momentum" and know Corbyn has won with over 60%

Do I smell something underhand?

[lol-lol]

So votings closed. Seen some who claim they're "aligned with Momentum" and know Corbyn has won with over 60%

Do I smell something underhand?

 

Are Oddschecker part of the conspiracy as well?  

 

Any polling organisation or any one who asks a reasonable number of Labour Party Members will get the consensus that Corbyn is going to be the winner of the leadership election.  

 

So Mr McCarthy I think you need to be your olfactory sorted out. 

Edited 22 September, 2016 by lol-lol

[Ootohere]

So the farce continues with the Official Opposition party with a hopeless leader and no real opposition to the Government.

The membership has voted and the serving members of parliament continue to have no faith in the leader.

 

Jeremy Corbyn MP will wipe the slate clean and hold no grudges as he is beyond all that type of pettiness.

So Tom Watson MP continue as Deputy and all the bickering will go on while this crowd of greedy self interested 'Socialists' keep filling their boots.

[cheezemonkhai]

Good luck comrade.

[Scribbler]

It would have been easy to tell those voting for Corbyn they were probably wearing a Ushanka Hat with a red star on the front.

[Aspman]

So votings closed. Seen some who claim they're "aligned with Momentum" and know Corbyn has won with over 60%

Do I smell something underhand?

 

I don't doubt he's won. Party is filled with Trots now.

I'm sure they're delighted with themselves that they now have a hard left wing socialist leader with a party mandate.

 

However he's pretty much unelectable to a majority of voters, and not that good at the dispatch box so we have a hard right government with pretty much no opposition.

[alltorque]

I don't doubt he's won. Party is filled with Trots now.

I'm sure they're delighted with themselves that they now have a hard left wing socialist leader with a party mandate.

 

However he's pretty much unelectable to a majority of voters, and not that good at the dispatch box so we have a hard right government with pretty much no opposition.

We don't have a hard right government yet, IMO, but without a credible opposition it is a possibility...though maybe not that strong a one. However, that probably depends upon your definition of 'hard right'.

[Scribbler]

We don't have a hard right government yet, IMO, but without a credible opposition it is a possibility...though maybe not that strong a one. However, that probably depends upon your definition of 'hard right'.

 

I'd say the same, the Cons are occupying the center ground if anything which is making it harder for labour to move back to their usual just left of centre position without seemingly copying cons policies. So to appear to offer opposition they are being forced over to the loony far left. The Conservatives can't go any further right because of UKIP. So for now at least the cons are going to poll well as UKIP voters return to the centre now the Referendums done and Labour are dead in the water.

[Aspman]

The SNP have claimed to be the opposition and they are probably the closest thing to a centre left party we have right now.

[Scribbler]

The SNP have claimed to be the opposition and they are probably the closest thing to a centre left party we have right now.

 

But they have over inflated representation when you view it from purely a populous perspective. The SNP success is a causal result of Labours failure in scotland. I think they exist purely to oppose anything the government do on principle rather than logic.