Labour party election

[VWD]

Now that Labour have a new leader , any predictions where the Labour party Conference after the next general election will be held.

1) -In a Toilet cubicle

2) In a phone box.

3) In a shoe box.

 

 

 

 

[seboni121]

Wembley or stadium of light ! Jeremy for president

[VWD]

But then ,all the Shadow cabinet are leaving like rats fleeing from a Syrian dingy.

[mellyboy]

Now that Labour have a new leader , any predictions where the Labour party Conference after the next general election will be held.

1) -In a Toilet cubicle

2) In a phone box.

3) In a shoe box

Judging by the many the many thousands who have attended his meetings I think it will have to be in the NEC . I will not waste my fingers on typing more of a reply to  your infantile post.

[Lady Elanore]

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Edited 16 September, 2015 by FLAPPERJACK7

[KenONeill]

But then ,all the Shadow cabinet are leaving like rats fleeing from a Syrian dingy.

Well, of course the crypto-Tories are jumping before they're pushed!

[VWD]

Perhaps I should rephrase that- what small size space will be needed to accommodate the labour MP's after the next election. Bad enough with the old policy, or at least the one being in place in my town. This has been a Labour stronghold for about 30 years. 2010- it changed hands. Fair enough- we'd had the financial problems. but the real problem in our town was the retirement of the sitting Member and local Labour party insisting that next candidate MUST be a woman.No choice on who's best . Of course , she lost. Then 2015,no lessons learned, one of our local lady councillors came forward, and lost. last local elections, our county man decided that he'd had enough travelling to county hall and stood down ,to get elected(as a town councillor ) with a massive majority in another ward. Ex MP stood in his place(at county level) and did likewise. be interesting to see if Corbyn can over rule the discrimination in place,

[VWD]

From news today on teletext ( can't find the article on BBC News on line) ,there's talk of Labour MPs looking to get out, and the Lib Demo (Crats or Prats ?) are making nice sounding noises. Be interesting to see how many are in the game for political ideals or to get their hands on some vestige of power

[clv101]

Given the leadership election result it's clear Corbyn does represent the views of labour party members, affiliates and supporters.

 

What I find interesting is how little support Liz Kendell and her backers (Simon Danczuk, Margaret Hodge, Tristram Hunt, Chuka Umunna etc...) got. Such a small number of people support them that these MP clearly shouldn't be in the Labour Party.

 

The fundamental question is whether the Labour Party is couple hundred MPs or a few hundred thousand members? This election has shown that many Labour MP aren't aligned with the members.

 

As for the 2020 general election, I think the most important point to realise is that Corbyn's Labour can win without converting a single Tory, UKIP or LibDem voter, or even convincing a single swing voter. The largest section of the electorate (33.9% compared with Cameron's winning share of 24.4%) did not vote. Corbyn's Labour can win by convincing a good chunk of those (young?) did not voters to vote for him.

[Ootohere]

The MP's might not be aligned with the Labour party Members nationwide but they were chosen locally to stand in their constituency by Labour members as a Prospective Parliamentary Candidates and then in the General Election the Constituents voted in such a way that they because the sitting MP.

MP's often get voted in for what they do locally regardless of which party they belong to, or in despite of it.

[clv101]

Indeed, I don't doubt the Blairites are good/popular MPs, they are just demonstrably in the wrong party. 

[Redboy]

The voting total for the labour leadership as a percentage of the UK voting population was very small. So hardly indicative of who will win the next General Election. It is good to see that Corbyn is different and that there will be daylight between the parties in the UK. Perhaps former labour SNP voters might like what they see if the think the ' Labour policies will give them a better life and return to the fold. , After all most voters aren't nationalistic, they simply want to have a better life and be taxed and administered fairly, with financial or other forms of State Support available when they are in need. If the public can be convinced that the Unions will not be affecting/running Downing St as in the 60-70s and can convince the electorate they can be trusted with Public finances, ( a tough one,) then a change of Govt might be possible. It's one thing to be in Opposition, the other to actually govern effectively.

[VWD]

Interesting that you mention the 60/70's. Corbyn is seen as left wing. I don't know if you were around in the 60/70's, or remember how the left took over the unions . Simply- they turned up at meetings en mass and with "points of order" and other tactics made ordinary meetings boring to the extent that the average union member stopped attending. Come the annual vote for officials, the meetings were packed out with left supporters, so branches became more left, and in turn returned left wingers to conference and above.

[Ootohere]

So a new Labour Leadership Election.  The incumbent & yet another nondescript and the best they could come up with.

?

Why does Owen Smith MP look and sound like a Snake Oil Salesman?

Maybe because he was a PR Boss for Snake Oil Salesman, and seems to like to say how nice everyone is, 

how he made mistakes but he was young, and he chops and changes his beliefs to suit the audience.

A normal family man, wife kids and just as much useless as a leader of a major political party and the opposition as all the others before him.

[Aspman]

So a new Labour Leadership Election.  The incumbent & yet another nondescript and the best they could come up with.

 

Anyone with sense knows they have no chance against Jezza.

Unfortunately for Labour that means they are in thrall to their £3 militants that will make Labour pretty much unelectable to the rest of the floating voting population.

 

Unfortunately for the rest of us that means we have a very right wing government with effectively no opposition. If labour split that might well leave the SNP as the official opposition which would be a bit of a political bombshell.

 

As Frankie Boyle said -

 

“And yet, paradoxically, I think we are about to enter a time when we will put our petty divisions aside, when we will learn to co-operate fully, when we will raise our consciousness from the mundane. We will have to do this in order to survive, and we will, in the Re-education camps. I’ll see you there.”

Edited 20 July, 2016 by Aspman

[gadgetman]

The majority of Corbyn support comes from the younger generation who ditched the Lib Dems after the coalition.

The same ones who don't vote.

Corp can have all the membership support he likes, but without voter support (who will largely not be members) Labour are finished.

With no worthwhile opposition May could bring back thatcherism and still walk a general election.

She should have called one to wipe out labour in several areas. But I think labour imploding serves the government well at the moment

[VWD]

GMAN- ,as in any political discussion, I refer you to what I said about the 60/70s in #14 . The question is whether the large surge in new labour members is a left wing move to back Mr C or against him. it ,IMHO, from experience of the old rules, seems strange to me. in older times, anyone wanting to vote for a candidate, had to have been a member for a set period.

[Ootohere]

Owen Smith MP seems to have to keep clarifying what he says, defending his words which he makes out were said and misunderstood.

He says lots to suit the situation and keeps just being misunderstood.

Easy to see why he changed his career from PR to Politics.

 

Maybe he just needs to start being himself, say what he really means stand by it and then get back to working for his constituents who 

seem to not know him from Adam.

[gadgetman]

So Corbyn does have an automatic right to be on the ballot.

So who will split when he wins again, and where to? Lib dems or Aaron Banks new political pet project?

[moley]

So Corbyn does have an automatic right to be on the ballot.

So who will split when he wins again, and where to? Lib dems or Aaron Banks new political pet project?

I would imagine an SDP type of party will be formed.

[Scribbler]

Is it still possible to pay £25 to get a vote i want to keep corbyn as leader  :clap: . its well worth £25 to keep this sideshow going.

[gadgetman]

Is it still possible to pay £25 to get a vote i want to keep corbyn as leader :clap: . its well worth £25 to keep this sideshow going.

You have to have already been a member in January

[Scribbler]

You have to have already been a member in January

 

  Wheres the fun in that?

[DanHarper]

  Wheres the fun in that?

 

It would appear you missed the boat:

 

Who can vote in Labour leadership contest?

Labour Party members, affiliated trade union supporters and so-called registered supporters are able to vote, although there are some key differences from the 2015 contest which Jeremy Corbyn won.

• Labour Party members need to have signed up on or before 12 January to be eligible to vote. Nearly 130,000 people have become members alone since the EU referendum. They will not be able to vote unless they also pay to become a registered supporter.
• Anyone can become registered supporters - giving them a one-off vote - if they pay £25 and "share" Labour's aims and values. There is a two-day window for people to sign up, between 17:00 BST on 18 and 17:00 BST on 20 July
• Registered supporters who paid £3 to vote in last year's leadership election will have to register again and pay the higher amount if they want to vote
• Affiliated trade union or socialist society supporters can sign up for less than £25, with rates depending on the organisation they belong to, but they have to have joined an affiliated organisation before 12 January, and then need to register before 8 August