Oooh pleased to read this. This puts the 4x4 O3 in my top 5 of potential replacements when my current O3 goes back in 2017.

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For my part I want the petrol because its a petrol, not the hot hatch argument.

Diesels are ok, but Im tired of the noise and that they take forever to get warm in the winter.

So true, in addition diesel smell is awfull (both before and after combustion).

Depends how hard you drive them.

It is a little limited how hard one can drive in the winter. Snowy and/or icy Norwegian roads force you to be easy on the throttle, even with 4x4.

Edited 7 October, 201510 yr by fatzy

Brilliant idea of Skoda to fit the VRS with 4x4 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But fitted to the oil burner engine, really    

 

 

That's a definite NO from me.

It is a little limited how hard one can drive in the winter. Snowy and/or icy Norwegian roads force you to be easy on the throttle, even with 4x4.

 

My comments related to UK use.

Having a rather interesting conversation with Skoda on Facebook currently as to why this should be made available as a TSi also.... They don't see the business case of having a performance flagship octy with awd and a petrol lump. :(

They must be a bit silly then! Subaru, Mitsubishi, VW etc all have high powered 4x4 saloons and hatch's and now Ford has wacked AWD onto the Focus for the latest RS version due soon so why on earth do Skoda not see a valid business plan?? Even if the power didn't go beyond the current 280 in the Leon, surely there would be a strong market for it considering the following it has! If the new VED rates are as mentioned above then it would be attractive from that point of view for UK customers too :-)

Skoda UK may well see it as a valid business proposition. Whether VW group agrees is another matter entirely

As wardy suggests, Skoda would probably like to make a 2.0TSi 4x4 but VAG might not let them.

 

Personally as I've just get the mk3, I hope they don't do the above as I'd sulk :P

2.0TSI and 4x4 is available on the Superb.

Maybe they're watching you all debate on here about the lack of a 4x4 petrol, but do actually plan to release a BossFox Signature Edition vRS in the future.

perhaps the only way they were allowed to not step on any of their sibling's toes was to give a power upgrade to the petrol, and give the 4x4 to the diesel

Had my diesel VRs two months, would have had the smokey 4x4 in a heartbeat, bargain on my co car scheme!

It is a little limited how hard one can drive in the winter. Snowy and/or icy Norwegian roads force you to be easy on the throttle, even with 4x4.

Then you just aren't pressing the go pedal deep enough. It's not fun until you're going sideways.

 

 

But in all seriousness, the auxiliary heater makes a world of difference. Haven't had to do a cold start once because of it, I just carry the remote in my pocket.

Get tricky as had a look at the AWD Superbs today. Dunno how much AWD would add to a TDI VRS wagon but at $50k for one here now, and the top shelf TDI AWD Superb at $55k and 206KW TSI AWD at $60k, Superb is looking pretty good and cheap too.

Does make me laugh how the 184 TDI rather gets down trodden compared to the 220 TSI.

Its a very good engine....a little agricultural when cold but not at all the diesel stereotype once warm and being driven....has a very nice usable rev range, plenty of power and bags of torque......v easy and relaxing to drive quickly.

Sure outrightly its not as fast as the TSI and isnt quite as revvy or spritely, but its definitely not 2nd rate...just a bit different. Its not like the TSI has bags of character and sounds lovely stock anyway.

Low 7's 0-62 (which'll likely equate to v high 6's to 60), +140mph top speed, real world late 40's/early 50's combined MPG, all weather traction and in vRS spec...do you really need more real world in a family car? The only time the 220 TSI jumps ahead is if you map it...but then thats not everyones cup of tea due to warranty woes....or not wanting a +300hp front drive family car.

Only shame for me is that they have opted not to supply it as a manual too, as the Octavia has a very nice manual shift but if I were ever in the market for another large family estate with a bit of character and all year round capability it would be on my shortlist...just the depreciation I dont think I could stand.

Edited 10 October, 201510 yr by pipsypreturns

Then you just aren't pressing the go pedal deep enough. It's not fun until you're going sideways.

Haha, I know, but it isn't in compliance with good neighborhood in slightly urban places. And pressing a cold engine hard to get the temperature up, hmmmm.

Aux. heater is an good option that I did't have on my diesel (previous car).

Do anyone know the ride height of the vRS 4x4? Is it the same as other vRS's?

Edited 10 October, 201510 yr by fatzy

Does make me laugh how the 184 TDI rather gets down trodden compared to the 220 TSI.

Its a very good engine....a little agricultural when cold but not at all the diesel stereotype once warm and being driven....has a very nice usable rev range, plenty of power and bags of torque......v easy and relaxing to drive quickly.

Sure outrightly its not as fast as the TSI and isnt quite as revvy or spritely, but its definitely not 2nd rate...just a bit different. Its not like the TSI has bags of character and sounds lovely stock anyway.

Low 7's 0-62 (which'll likely equate to v high 6's to 60), +140mph top speed, real world late 40's/early 50's combined MPG, all weather traction and in vRS spec...do you really need more real world in a family car? The only time the 220 TSI jumps ahead is if you map it...but then thats not everyones cup of tea due to warranty woes....or not wanting a +300hp front drive family car.

Only shame for me is that they have opted not to supply it as a manual too, as the Octavia has a very nice manual shift but if I were ever in the market for another large family estate with a bit of character and all year round capability it would be on my shortlist...just the depreciation I dont think I could stand.

What is the usable rev range of the 184 TDi, & is there a hole in the torque curve between idle & 1500 / 1750 rpm?

(Bad experience with holiday rental 1.6 TDi Octy, no go under 1750 & not much after 3200 either....)

 

We own 3 previous generation TSi's, & they are quiet, which matters to us,  & they all seem to pull well from idle to the redline, (not that we often bother to rev that high), maybe that's no what you mean by "character".  We find them to be relaxed & economical, with good performance available when needed at almost any speed. 

Maybe we just like the Jekyll & Hide character...........

 

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Wonder what the VED will be on the vRS 4x4 TDi...

It's 129g/km for the hatch which is £110VED and 131g/km for the estate which is £130VED. for a Vrs.

Available in Czech Republic....

http://cc-cloud.skoda-auto.com/cze/cze/cs-cz/5e3/68716#!cc-instance=CZE&cc-salesprogram=CZE&cc-culture=cs-cz&cc-model=5E3&cc-carline=68716&cc-equipment=&cc-motor=142424&cc-color=8T8T&cc-interior=LH&cc-packages=&cc-view=step2&cc-configurationId=74552034&cc-viewstate=%7B%22accessoriesItems%22%3A%5B%5D%2C%22selectedAccessories%22%3A%5B%5D%2C%22lastConfigurationHash%22%3A%226_9X_LH_8T8T_%22%2C%22finishDisplay%22%3A%22show%22%7D

I wonder when this will show up on the configurator and if there's any daft spec requirements.

Looking to change my diesel vrs for something with 4x4 although ideally I'd have liked to get something slightly smaller and petrol (golf r estate is a contender) the octy ticks a lot of boxes, especially with the headed windscreen.

I just wish the diesel didn't make so much noise during a regen. My neighbours has already complained about me coming home late and the fan running after I turn off the engine.

And probably also with SCR AdBlue,

 

VW board decision dated 10.13.2015: "Reorientation of the diesel strategy. It was decided to switch over to installing only diesel drives with SCR and AdBlue technology in Europe and North America as soon as possible. Diesel vehicles will only be equipped with exhaust emissions systems that use the best environmental technology."

http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/vwcorp/info_center/en/news/2015/10/VW_Effizienz.html

 

More and more installations in TDI engines versus TSI.

And probably also with SCR AdBlue,

VW board decision dated 10.13.2015: "Reorientation of the diesel strategy. It was decided to switch over to installing only diesel drives with SCR and AdBlue technology in Europe and North America as soon as possible. Diesel vehicles will only be equipped with exhaust emissions systems that use the best environmental technology."

http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/vwcorp/info_center/en/news/2015/10/VW_Effizienz.html

More and more installations in TDI engines versus TSI.

That's an interesting thought. I wonder if that impacts on short run performance for better or worse.

On the ADBlue thread gabbo commented that the SCR system allows for a hotter burn with a smaller dpf.

Also hotter burn = more efficient = better mpg?

My big problem with replacing the tdi vrs with another diesel is my g/f using it tanks fuel economy and causes really aggressive regens due to her driving distance.

Edited 15 October, 201510 yr by gullyg

What would help fuel economy/efficiency on a DSG equipped vRS is the adoption of DSG-7 or even DSG-8, but that's not going to happen anytime soon as I suspect that VW will say that it will impinge on the Golf GTi/GTD & Audi's.