According to Auto Express:

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/yeti/84691/best-used-car-to-buy-skoda-yeti

 

Can't do any harm.

Thanks aerofurb, for posting this link, which I enjoyed reading.

They might all be down to £5000 soon

Yawn!!

Yawn!!

I know you find all this VW engine stuff very tiresome but since there are people who are already being refused trade-ins from dealers on affected models it might not be quite the joke you think it is in the long term.

Edited 11 October, 201510 yr by Jimrod

I know you find all this VW engine stuff very tiresome but since there are people who are already being refused trade-ins from dealers on affected models it might not be quite the joke you think it is in the long term.

He's just a shy 'retired' type and like me has time.

Some don't though

I know you find all this VW engine stuff very tiresome but since there are people who are already being refused trade-ins from dealers on affected models it might not be quite the joke you think it is in the long term.

 

And?

I'm sure some people may be affected, but at the moment it is all SPECULATION as we have had no definitive statement from VAG as to what the "fix" is going to be and what affects it might have. When we get that then we can be certain.

Yes, but RIGHT NOW it's a problem. I've had to cancel my Focus mk3 RS purchase because my Blackline has lost £1200 in 10 days. By March (when I was to take delivery of the Ford) who knows what the trade-in value would be? It's not good.

We've also bought a Monte Carlo yeti in August, but we arnt too bothered about how that's effected as we are only a few months into a long term ownership.......but for those of us looking to trade-in our 3 to 4 years old cars now it's really hitting the pocket.

Edited 12 October, 201510 yr by thehulkster699

For once I find my self siding with Graham that at the moment its all speculation about what might happen, most of it driven by hysteria in the press although we did get a day of respite on the 5th October when a lot of the papers decided the headline should be the chaos that was going to result with the introduction of a 5p charge for carrier bags in England (although I don't recall news reports rioting in the streets when Wales, Scotland and NI did it). 

 

I've not seen anything on this forum or elsewhere where someone has himself/herself been refused a trade in or a verifiable report where this has happened so at the moment we are still in "I know a bloke who knows a bloke whose mate's sister's uncle.....". A long time ago most of us gave up any hope of the official fuel consumption bearing any resemblance to what the ordinary driver could hope to achieve (and that you might consider a real scandal, if your primary concern when changing cars is economy) and, if you take time to think about it, all that has happened is governments have told motor manufacturers "We are going to test you and this is the pass mark" and lo and behold the manufacturers decided we have all this computing power in our cars, let's use a bit of it to pass the test. And if VW thought like that it's highly unlikely that people at Ford, Honda, Kia etc. haven't gone down a similar route, it's just VW got "found out" first.

 

Now if I was to find out that the batteries in a Nissan Leaf are actually just a cleverly designed box concealing a small petrol engine and someone from Nissan comes round every night to top up the fuel tank without me knowing to maintain the illusion of being all electric - that's a story I'd want to follow.

 

If I was looking to buy a diesel car at the moment then there are a lot more things I'd be concerned about than this. Agreed it was a deception by VW which has dented their reputation in the short term but does anyone really expect the fuel economy of cars to plummet when the "problem" has been rectified? And if following the modifications your car were to shift upwards a tax band (and I suspect the government wouldn't retrospectively shift cars from one band to another, it's not looking to lose votes that easily) other than an excuse to moan would it really be a genuine financial problem?

 

(Before anyone points it out, I know my Yeti's petrol-powered but most of my previous cars were diesels and if I had a diesel Yeti, I'd still be of the same view - the whole issue is really about governments and car manufacturers finding themselves in an embarrassing situation. VW got found out, they've put their hand up to it, they are going to take the necessary action and a couple of years down the line everyone will be wondering what all the fuss was about. I remember  civilisation was going to grind to a halt at the end of 1999 because of the Millennium bug. It seems it didn't). 

 

(And going back to the title of the thread - I still think the Yeti is a great car, new or second hand - just nice to see it recognised in print).

City planners, from what I read, are already planning for the end of the (light) reciprocating engine......not just the diesel.

If somebody can afford a couple of cars they must be quite well aware of potential financial losses with trade ins and running costs it's only an extra £1200 today,could be even more tomorrow!hope this helps!

Yeah I think there are two points being made here...

 

1. I don't care what the fix is or entails, or care about the "problem" as such. I've ordered a new diesel Yeti. Bravo for being all nonchalant and "it doesn't matter" about it, I agree if I had and was holding onto an affected car I'd be happy to wait and see, it would not affect the driving of my car.

 

2. What is a problem is that in 4-6 weeks time I'm going to have to sell my 2012 170tdi car to make space for that Yeti, in discussions with people on the SEAT forum people are already having problems part-exchanging through retailers, if that's a problem already it will certainly have an effect on used values. If I have to hold on to my car for months more until the fix is done that is going to cost me a fair amount of money/hassle.

 

 

So rather than saying it isn't a problem because it doesn't affect you right now that doesn't mean it isn't already starting to affect other people, it certainly doesn't mean that when it comes to selling your "affected" car it won't have lost a big chunk of value due to this issue.

For those whose lease is expiring, I wonder if it opens up a better buyout proposition for those wanting to keep it.

My Yeti is the best second hand car available so I am keeping it. :-)

If somebody can afford a couple of cars they must be quite well aware of potential financial losses with trade ins and running costs it's only an extra £1200 today,could be even more tomorrow!hope this helps!

 

Yes, well aware of the usual depreciation, but this isn't usual depreciation, it's an extra unforeseen chunk due to the deceit of the manufacturer!

 

I genuinely feel sorry for those who were planning/are in the process of part-exing an affected car.

I totally agree that it must be a stressful time for anyone in the middle of doing a deal to trade their 'infected' VAG-engine vehicle for something else. 

 

But, as far as I can see, 'the trade' sets the value of secondhand vehicles, both in the buy and the sell sides of the fence. They are also 'the professionals' who should be able to see far more than us amateurs, that this a media-induced frenzy concentrating on one manufacturer. So if the 'trade in' value of the 'infected' vehicles has been reduced then surely, the selling price has dropped accordingly. Wonder if they have.....?

 

In truth, the chances are that plenty more manufacturers are just as guilty of having vehicles that pass the emission 'tests' but would fail the set levels when out on the road in the real world. Why would you spend time and money designing a power unit to do more than pass the test which is all that is required, is it not? 

 

If you are trading vehicles within the VAG family (ie Seat to Skoda, for instance) then I think if a dealer was marking down a trade in vehicle, it is not a dealer I would want to be dealing with.

 

The fact is that not one person outside some in VAG, actually knows what effect the modifications will have on the fuel consumption and/or performance of the subjected vehicles. For all we know, there may be no effect at all or figures might even improve - it works on the good remaps, after all. 

 

I'm sure there's a lot of stories being whipped up that people have had the trade-in of 'infected' vehicles refused. In reality has it happened - ie first hand experience? @ thehulkster699, has the Ford dealer actually told you the trade-in value of your Octavia has lost £1200 value in 10 days?

 

I find it strange that some seemingly car-savvy people that frequent this fine forum are bordering on the hysterical about the whole matter - completely duped by the media. I happen to know a fair bit about aircraft and aviation in general (through work and non-work), so I know just how wrong the media (not just the Daily Wail types) can be, especially after recent tragic events. It makes me think that most of everything that the media hypes up reports on, must have only a small percentage of truth in it. The main Briskoda thread on the emission subject has a few beyond hysterical individuals on it that must spend every minute of the waking (and sleeping) day trawling the internet for possible dirt on VAG. Perhaps they were abducted by Beetles when a baby or bullied by a pack of Golfs at school. Who knows but they're heading for an early grave if they don't calm down, sit back and wait.

 

Back to the thread - still good to see the Yeti is as popular as ever, both new and secondhand. As I said in my opening post - can't do any harm.

 

 

Thank God, another voice of reason on this forum. 

Have a "like that"!!!

Isn't it strange that when VAG details are reported in the media it's reported as paper talk with a small amount of truth but as soon as a car gets the thumbs up and it's a VAG it must be true,come on ,take those blinkers off?

I totally agree that it must be a stressful time for anyone in the middle of doing a deal to trade their 'infected' VAG-engine vehicle for something else. 

 

But, as far as I can see, 'the trade' sets the value of secondhand vehicles, both in the buy and the sell sides of the fence. They are also 'the professionals' who should be able to see far more than us amateurs, that this a media-induced frenzy concentrating on one manufacturer. So if the 'trade in' value of the 'infected' vehicles has been reduced then surely, the selling price has dropped accordingly. Wonder if they have.....?

 

In truth, the chances are that plenty more manufacturers are just as guilty of having vehicles that pass the emission 'tests' but would fail the set levels when out on the road in the real world. Why would you spend time and money designing a power unit to do more than pass the test which is all that is required, is it not? 

 

If you are trading vehicles within the VAG family (ie Seat to Skoda, for instance) then I think if a dealer was marking down a trade in vehicle, it is not a dealer I would want to be dealing with.

 

The fact is that not one person outside some in VAG, actually knows what effect the modifications will have on the fuel consumption and/or performance of the subjected vehicles. For all we know, there may be no effect at all or figures might even improve - it works on the good remaps, after all. 

 

I'm sure there's a lot of stories being whipped up that people have had the trade-in of 'infected' vehicles refused. In reality has it happened - ie first hand experience? @ thehulkster699, has the Ford dealer actually told you the trade-in value of your Octavia has lost £1200 value in 10 days?

 

I find it strange that some seemingly car-savvy people that frequent this fine forum are bordering on the hysterical about the whole matter - completely duped by the media. I happen to know a fair bit about aircraft and aviation in general (through work and non-work), so I know just how wrong the media (not just the Daily Wail types) can be, especially after recent tragic events. It makes me think that most of everything that the media hypes up reports on, must have only a small percentage of truth in it. The main Briskoda thread on the emission subject has a few beyond hysterical individuals on it that must spend every minute of the waking (and sleeping) day trawling the internet for possible dirt on VAG. Perhaps they were abducted by Beetles when a baby or bullied by a pack of Golfs at school. Who knows but they're heading for an early grave if they don't calm down, sit back and wait.

 

Back to the thread - still good to see the Yeti is as popular as ever, both new and secondhand. As I said in my opening post - can't do any harm.

Grovelling apologise in Congress and the Commons Committee are ever so slightly, and just a teensy bit more significant than any media beat up.....but, then again, I might be wrong on that too.

The fact that 99.9% of the media are clueless on aviation matters is also a teensy distraction.....but then again, I might be wrong on that too.

There is no beat up......but there are a lot of media outlets who would otherwise be held in even more contempt for an 'attempt to cover it up again'......after all they get millions from VW advertising.

So when they cover the story - they are guilty again.

The expression 'make up your mind' however comes to mind......but then again, I might be wrong on that too.

Okay, straight question to Ryeman and Sad555:

Do you think VAG are the only manufacturer who's test emission figures are different to their 'on the road' figures and that the said 'on the road' figures are outside of the EU permitted levels?

Okay, straight question to Ryeman and Sad555:

Do you think VAG are the only manufacturer who's test emission figures are different to their 'on the road' figures and that the said 'on the road' figures are outside of the EU permitted levels?

That's another discussion

NOBODY thinks, other than 3 (unreported), manufacturers claim they do.

They are ALL facing more realistic test from January 2016 and nearly all are sweating over that.

Who are the 3 is what I want to know.

Aurofurb. I am not concerned if other company's are /have cheated in this or another way as they say two wrongs don't make a right,I'm not happy that VAG have lied and cheated to me on a product I've purchased from them in good faith with my money to find I've been cheated on by their cost saving/profit obsessed cheating management and their greed could also cost me money,just because I've bought a couple of Skodas or any other brand I'm not going to be so blinkered that to think I've got the best car in the world and blindly accept all the good reports and deny the bad,I pay out in good faith ,before I buy a car and assess with an open mind the pros and cons from write ups and forums like this,I know ther is brand loyalty as I've had more than one of a brand but I'm also being realistic and will not rave about a car because I am so self obsessed that I have that particular model/brand and defend them to the bitter end when they have deceived me and potentially cost me money and make it difficult to resell even if it is in the short term.I the last 30 years I've been fortunate enough to have a number of new cars including Skodas and no problems but I've have never found myself in this situation and to a degree the Americans have a point that a good way of treating cheating company's is to hit them where it hurts and make them pay the government and customers for thinking they can get away with cheating for profit.I may or may not buy another SKODA but the actions of VAG I feel have let Skoda and myself down and will be a big consideration on my next purchase as there are many other good motors being built at the moment that are equal to or better in quality and value,hope this helps.

For once I find my self siding with Graham that at the moment its all speculation about what might happen, most of it driven by hysteria in the press although we did get a day of respite on the 5th October when a lot of the papers decided the headline should be the chaos that was going to result with the introduction of a 5p charge for carrier bags in England (although I don't recall news reports rioting in the streets when Wales, Scotland and NI did it). 

 

I've not seen anything on this forum or elsewhere where someone has himself/herself been refused a trade in or a verifiable report where this has happened so at the moment we are still in "I know a bloke who knows a bloke whose mate's sister's uncle.....". A long time ago most of us gave up any hope of the official fuel consumption bearing any resemblance to what the ordinary driver could hope to achieve (and that you might consider a real scandal, if your primary concern when changing cars is economy) and, if you take time to think about it, all that has happened is governments have told motor manufacturers "We are going to test you and this is the pass mark" and lo and behold the manufacturers decided we have all this computing power in our cars, let's use a bit of it to pass the test. And if VW thought like that it's highly unlikely that people at Ford, Honda, Kia etc. haven't gone down a similar route, it's just VW got "found out" first.

 

Now if I was to find out that the batteries in a Nissan Leaf are actually just a cleverly designed box concealing a small petrol engine and someone from Nissan comes round every night to top up the fuel tank without me knowing to maintain the illusion of being all electric - that's a story I'd want to follow.

 

If I was looking to buy a diesel car at the moment then there are a lot more things I'd be concerned about than this. Agreed it was a deception by VW which has dented their reputation in the short term but does anyone really expect the fuel economy of cars to plummet when the "problem" has been rectified? And if following the modifications your car were to shift upwards a tax band (and I suspect the government wouldn't retrospectively shift cars from one band to another, it's not looking to lose votes that easily) other than an excuse to moan would it really be a genuine financial problem?

 

(Before anyone points it out, I know my Yeti's petrol-powered but most of my previous cars were diesels and if I had a diesel Yeti, I'd still be of the same view - the whole issue is really about governments and car manufacturers finding themselves in an embarrassing situation. VW got found out, they've put their hand up to it, they are going to take the necessary action and a couple of years down the line everyone will be wondering what all the fuss was about. I remember  civilisation was going to grind to a halt at the end of 1999 because of the Millennium bug. It seems it didn't). 

 

(And going back to the title of the thread - I still think the Yeti is a great car, new or second hand - just nice to see it recognised in print).

Isn't the word "sister's" superfluous?

The main Briskoda thread on the emission subject has a few beyond hysterical individuals on it that must spend every minute of the waking (and sleeping) day trawling the internet for possible dirt on VAG. Perhaps they were abducted by Beetles when a baby or bullied by a pack of Golfs at school. Who knows but they're heading for an early grave if they don't calm down, sit back and wait.

 

Perhaps they were self-abused as teenagers?

Some are not sheep and have opinions if that's ok,of course some know all about sheep don't they.