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Hi guys,

 

I may have bitten off more than I can chew with this project. 

 

I have a Mk1 Fabia Elegance 1.9TDI ('03 plate). Basically, I replaced the hvac control unit, and can't get it to work. Detail:...

 

The original problem was that it would randomly blow super hot air, and moving the dial, turning the air con on/off would revert it back to normal. Then it would randomly blow hot air, but wouldn't be changed back to normal. I'm aware this has been discussed elsewhere. Finally, it would only blow hot air, except on a rare few occasions. This is regardless of the position of the temperature dial.

 

So I stripped the dashboard off and took most of the hvac system apart as best I could without touching the heat exchanger and refrigerant system. All the temperature sensors, fresh/recirculated air motor, blower, temperature control motor, seemed to work fine. I drove the car a bit like that, there were no warning lights, it was mechanically sound.

 

I may have had a couple short circuits, with audible sparks, when the blower speed dial circuitry hit the rest of the A/C circuitboard  :peek: Yes, i did dissasemble the control unit which is specifically says somewhere not to disassemble  :peek:.

 

I bought a new control unit, tested, working, from a breaker, not fancying Skoda's quote, and fitted it. 

 

Apparently it needs to be coded to the car - basic settings to get the min/max values of the flap motors. Thing is, it won't let me do this on VCDS, I can see fault codes, and erase them, and read measured value blocks, but not output tests, adaptations or basic settings. From memory I think it says "Error: Function/Group*** not available" respectively. 

 

Pulling the error codes, the fresh/recirculated error now seems to be throwing an error, which is odd because, just before replacing the old unit's circuitboard with the new unit, even though the fresh/recirc button didn't work, you could hear the motor working when reverse gear was engaged. But that doesn't happen now. Have I blown it with short circuits? or does it just need a basic settings? The temperature motor isn't throwing an error code, and that's the one I originally thought was the problem, getting stuck and giving me dodgy heat. It may still be the problem...but no DTC?

 

I cleared all DTCs for the whole vehicle, my local techie warning me that VCDS, or any control module, wouldn't perform a basic settings while there were error codes flagged. I then drove the car and took a fresh list. The DTCs from before wiping are shown in list "A" below, and from after wiping then driving are shown in list "B" below.

 

Needless to say, Basic settings still wouldn't work, else I wouldn't be here. Three codes from the HVAC cleared, but came back after driving, one code from the engine is new, I haven't seen it before.

 

I'm currently investigating the High Pressure Sender G65 as I do not know what it is, and hoping beyond hope there's a simple wiring fault fro the alternator load signal and the HPS that I can fix easily which will clear all faults. I cannot fathom the control unit (j238?) not working as I just bought it! Similarly, with the fresh flap motor V154, as I know it worked before replacing the unit, as above. 

 

My plan, failing the location of a simple wiring fault, is to replace g65, v154 and j238  :'-( , starting with whichever's cheapest. The alternator terminal, I don't know, I'll have to take a peek under the bonnet, but it sounds like that's a fairly common wiring problem, and easy to fix. Failing this, I think I'll have to take it to a dealer and sell my soul to satan to afford it. or scrap it and get a new one. In other words, I'm running out of ideas.

 

Thanks for any help in advance,

 

VCDS reports below.

 

Cheers,

 

J

 

 

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LIST A

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 For HVAC ONLY before installing new unit

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VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Saturday, 21 November 2015, 15:34:11:0
Control Module Part Number: 6Y0 820 045 
  Component and/or Version: Klimaanlage        X0830
           Software Coding: 
            Work Shop Code: 
                      VCID: 
10 Faults Found:
65535 -  Internal Control Module Memory Error
        00-00 -   -
01296 -  Sensor for Vent Temperature; Center (G191)
        30-10 -  Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
01271 -  Positioning Motor for Temperature Flap (V68)
        30-00 -  Open or Short to Plus
01596 -  Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)
        30-10 -  Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
01271 -  Positioning Motor for Temperature Flap (V68)
        29-10 -  Short to Ground - Intermittent
01271 -  Positioning Motor for Temperature Flap (V68)
        28-10 -  Short to Plus - Intermittent
01271 -  Positioning Motor for Temperature Flap (V68)
        55-00 -  Adaptation Not Successful
01596 -  Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)
        41-10 -  Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent
01596 -  Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)
        29-10 -  Short to Ground - Intermittent
01596 -  Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)
        28-10 -  Short to Plus - Intermittent
 
 
 
For WHOLE CAR AFTER installing new control unit
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VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Sunday, 22 November 2015, 18:57:28:0
 
*REG*, 81703 miles
 
 
Chassis Type: 6Y - Skoda Fabia I
Scan: 01,02,03,08,09,15,17,19,25,37,44,46,55,56,76
 
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Address 01: Engine       Labels: 038-906-019-AXR.LBL
   Controller: 038 906 019 KT
   Component: 1,9l R4 EDC 0000SG  5213
   Coding: 00102
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: 73995CCF52AD
   TMBMS46Y443942895     SKZ7Z0C2140251
5 Faults Found:
17911 -  Load Signal from Alternator Term. DF: Implausible Signal
            P1503 - 35-10 -   - - Intermittent
18009 -  Relay for Supply Voltage Terminal 30 (J317): Implausible Signal
            P1601 - 35-00 -   -
18043 -  Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from A/C Controller
            P1635 - 35-10 -   - - Intermittent
18058 -  Powertrain Data Bus: Missing Message from Instrument Cluster
            P1650 - 35-10 -   - - Intermittent
17978 -  Engine Start Blocked by Immobilizer
            P1570 - 35-10 -   - - Intermittent
Readiness: N/A
 
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Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 6Q0-907-37x-ABS.LBL
   Controller: 6Q0 907 379 H
   Component: ABS/ASR 5.7 FRONT   V40
   Coding: 00188
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: 42F7C90B5D97
No fault code found.
 
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Address 08: Auto HVAC       Labels: 6Q0-820-045.LBL
   Controller: 6Y0 820 045 
   Component: Klimaanlage        X0840
   VCID: F297D9CBADB7
3 Faults Found:
65535 -  Internal Control Module Memory Error
            00-00 -   -
01596 -  Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)
            30-00 -  Open or Short to Plus
00819 -  High Pressure Sensor (G65)
            07-00 -  Signal too Low
 
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Address 09: Cent. Elect.       Labels: 6Qx-937-049-B.LBL
   Controller: 6Q1 937 049 C
   Component: 00 BN-SG.           1S33
   Coding: 25770
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: 3B09B4EF3A7D
2 Faults Found:
00906 -  Horn (H1)
            28-10 -  Short to Plus - Intermittent
01598 -  Drive Battery Voltage
            07-10 -  Signal too Low - Intermittent
 
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Address 15: Airbags       Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
   Controller: 1C0 909 601 A
   Component: 11 AIRBAG VW51      0008
   Coding: 12593
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: 1E4F5D7B89AF
No fault code found.
 
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Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 6Y0-920-xx0-17.LBL
   Controller: 6Y0 920 970 Du
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V07
   Coding: 28401
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: C7E1581FF6B5
   TMBMS46Y443942895     SKZ7Z0C2140251
4 Faults Found:
00771 -  Fuel Level Sensor (G)
            30-10 -  Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
00779 -  Outside Air Temp Sensor (G17)
            30-10 -  Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent
01128 -  Immobilizer Pickup Coil (D2)
            35-10 -   - - Intermittent
01176 -  Key
            07-10 -  Signal too Low - Intermittent
 
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Address 19: CAN Gateway       Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.LBL
   Controller: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: 31 GATEWAY  CAN    1S33
   Coding: 00014
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: F093D3C3A3BB
No fault code found.
 
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Address 25: Immobilizer       Labels: None
   Controller: Bit teA dre ssu
   Component: e 17 eingeben          
   VCID: CFD1703F1EC5
No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error ocurred
 
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Address 44: Steering Assist       Labels: None
   Controller: 6Q0 423 156 S
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V260
   Coding: 10110
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: 3FF1C0FF2E65
No fault code found.
 
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Address 46: Central Conv.       Labels: 6Q0-959-433.LBL
   Controller: 6Q0 959 433 E
   Component: 33 Komfortgerát     0002
   Coding: 00066
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: 3D0DBAF72469
1 Fault Found:
01135 -  Interior Monitoring Sensors
            36-10 -  Open Circuit - Intermittent
 
End   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
 
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LIST B

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Whole car scan after installing new hvac control unit, clearing codes, and driving 10 miles, leaving car for the day, driving 10 miles back.

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VCDS-Lite Version: Release 1.2
Wednesday, 25 November 2015, 16:53:43:0
 
 
Chassis Type: 6Y - Skoda Fabia I
Scan: 01,02,03,08,09,15,17,19,25,37,44,46,55,56,76
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 01: Engine       Labels: 038-906-019-AXR.LBL
   Controller: 038 906 019 KT
   Component: 1,9l R4 EDC 0000SG  5213
   Coding: 00102
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: 73995CCF52AD
   TMBMS46Y443942895     SKZ7Z0C2140251
1 Fault Found:
17911 -  Load Signal from Alternator Term. DF: Implausible Signal
            P1503 - 35-10 -   - - Intermittent
Readiness: N/A
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes       Labels: 6Q0-907-37x-ABS.LBL
   Controller: 6Q0 907 379 H
   Component: ABS/ASR 5.7 FRONT   V40
   Coding: 00188
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: 42F7C90B5D97
No fault code found.
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 08: Auto HVAC       Labels: 6Q0-820-045.LBL
   Controller: 6Y0 820 045 
   Component: Klimaanlage        X0840
   VCID: F297D9CBADB7
3 Faults Found:
65535 -  Internal Control Module Memory Error
            00-00 -   -
01596 -  Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)
            30-00 -  Open or Short to Plus
00819 -  High Pressure Sensor (G65)
            07-00 -  Signal too Low
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 09: Cent. Elect.       Labels: 6Qx-937-049-B.LBL
   Controller: 6Q1 937 049 C
   Component: 00 BN-SG.           1S33
   Coding: 25770
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: 3B09B4EF3A7D
No fault code found.
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 15: Airbags       Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.LBL
   Controller: 1C0 909 601 A
   Component: 11 AIRBAG VW51      0008
   Coding: 12593
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: 1E4F5D7B89AF
No fault code found.
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 17: Instruments       Labels: 6Y0-920-xx0-17.LBL
   Controller: 6Y0 920 970 Du
   Component: KOMBI+WEGFAHRSP VDO V07
   Coding: 28401
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: C7E1581FF6B5
   TMBMS46Y443942895     SKZ7Z0C2140251
No fault code found.
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 19: CAN Gateway       Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.LBL
   Controller: 6N0 909 901 
   Component: 31 GATEWAY  CAN    1S33
   Coding: 00014
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: F093D3C3A3BB
No fault code found.
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 25: Immobilizer       Labels: None
   Controller: Bit teA dre ssu
   Component: e 17 eingeben          
   VCID: CFD1703F1EC5
No Faults Found
  or DTCs not supported by controller
  or a communication error ocurred
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 44: Steering Assist       Labels: None
   Controller: 6Q0 423 156 S
   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V260
   Coding: 10110
   Shop #: WSC 13765
   VCID: 3FF1C0FF2E65
No fault code found.
 
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Address 46: Central Conv.       Labels: None
   Controller: v ö6 ö¶ Qp
   Component: 6ö¶‘ö6vö¶Q095943
   Coding: vövö¶‘
   Shop #: ¶Ñö¶‘öv
   VCID: 3E0FBDFB296F
 
<it fluffed on this one, but no fault was found when it was rerun by manual module search.>
 
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Thanks for any help/advice you can give guys.
 
:notme:
 

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