Hello one and all-

 

I know it may seem like a stupid question, but how on earth are you supposed to check the oil level properly on one of these things!?

 

Info says to check it warm- fine!

So, its warmed up and left for 5-10 minutes to stand- oil level reads low so I top it up to level!

 

Surely this will over fill the thing, as having the engine recently run it'll give a false level seen as oil will still be in the head/ancillaries and not drained completely into the sump!???

 

Sure enough, left it over night and its now over filled!

 

Any opinions an the matter are appreciated!

 

Thanks!

What is one of these things.   A Fabia vRS?

 

Best check before setting off and the oil is stone cold and the car on the flat.

Open the Bonnet and the Oil should be up higher than where the Skoda Owners Manual shows it should be with

their instructions.

 

*If a 1.4TSI Twincharger with 3.6 Litres of oil in, the Oil Cold might show between the top of the Cross hatch and below the Top Orange marker, on the Flat part of the dipstick.*

 

They 'SKODA' say 'Warm' Page 168 Owners Manual.

and a 'Wait a Few Minutes'.  Page 167 Owners Manual.

The VW Polo Manual says 'operating temperature;   That is a Hot Check.

(The 44kw 1.2 Fabia engines are the ones to get a Cold Check.)

 

So if you know the oil level cold is OK,

next time you stop after the oil has been up above 50 Degrees Indicated to 80*oC indicated, 

dip it after stopped about 4-5 minutes and see where it is.

 

Compare when cold again.

Then you know.

 

Do not overfill.

 

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PS 

Warmed up is the Issue often at Dealership Sevices and Oil Changes.

It probably takes at least 5 miles of driving to Warm up a Twincharger to an Indicated oil temp of 50*oC.

and this is when you might get a proper 'Warm'  check. 

Maybe technicians get that so wrong, and overfill, underfill etc.

Edited 3 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Have a look HERE.

 

As George says, "Best check before setting off and the oil is stone cold and the car on the flat." All the nonsense about "operating temperature" and "a few minutes" is quite meaningless.

 

I suspect that Skoda's entirely unscientific advice is related to the fact that few workshops are likely to leave the car sitting around for the many hours it takes for the oil to cool down and drain into the sump.  On the other hand, they are equally unlikely to allow time for the car to reach "operating temperature" or to hang about for "a few minutes" either - SILLY, SILLY, SILLY

They give the Instruction to check based on the advice to do it when filling up with fuel.

So the 'Wait a few minutes' might refer to stopping a vehicle, filling up paying then opening the bonnet.

 

VW do not really show any difference on how a Diesel, Petrol, small or large capacity engine,

or engines with different Oil Capacities might act.

Often the Check Hot, (Warm) Normal Operating Temperature bit is missed even by VW, or not Highlighted.

 

A Mechanic / Technician doing an Oil change does it in a pretty standard way 

and many can not believe that putting in the oil capacity of '3.6 litres' does not give a correct level and a reading on the Dip Stick 

that can be trusted.

 

The North American Video is rather different from the VW UK one.

Edited 3 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Cheers folks,

Confirmed what I suspected really!

I've always checked motors stone cold and on the flat.

That's never done my motors any harm, thought the vw instructions are a load of rubbish!

Note.  

No mention of Oil Temperature.  Warm, Hot, Operating Temperature, and this is from VW UK.

 

'Stone Cold',

and at 'Operating Temperature'  (or 'Warm') after a few minutes does not show the same level 

in a 1.4 TSI / TFSI 132-136kw Twincharger 2009-2014.  

 

*A Yellow Low Oil Warning Light might not show in a vRS until the Oil is 1/3 lower than capacity, and on some engines 50% low. & that is not a good thing!'.*

 

Edited 3 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Yeah, levels I'd found on my vrs Tsi appeared different each time.. Hence the confusion!

I'd sorted the level warm as advised in the handbook, against my better judgement.

Then checking stone cold I'd say now it's overfilled!

I'm used to keeping a close eye on oil levels what with running an 80's Ford RS as a toy, it's not as much as a faff on as this one...

Hey ho, live and learn!

I will get Flamed. But whats new,  those that have never run or checked a vRS oil are all experts.

 

I now run with 4 Litres of 5W 40 Full Synthetic Oil.

This on a cold check is between the Cross Hatch and Orange Marker.

It is in a 'Hot Check' at the top of the Crosshatch.

 

*Warning*,

I am not suggesting anyone fills to this Quantity.  Just saying i do.

Well thanks for your info mate! It helps!

I'm going to run on 0w-40 when I do a change at the weekend!

The Ford RS runs on 10-50, but it does make the vrs look like its positively cold...!

Thanks again!

No benefit running 0w 40 in the UK in the road. But let us know how it goes.

Yeah, but I got posh Mobil 1 0-40 for £30 from Opie oils...

Will let you know how it goes!

Yeah, but I got posh Mobil 1 0-40 for £30 from Opie oils...

Will let you know how it goes!

 

Basing your choice of oil for a vRS on how cheap it is seems "odd" at best.

 

You can get the Skoda recommended oil from Amazon for about the same as you paid for "posh" oil.

But as you already should know because you keep asking about it, the Recommended Oil,  

Castrol Edge or Quantum Long Life III 5w 30 Full Synthetic (VW 504 00)  does a Twincharger no favours.  its pure cr4p really. Sh!te even.

 

But keep using it in your Twincharger if you have one vxh26 /vxh28, it is the Recommended Oil,  is it not, not sure it is though.

It is an Open Market, so the Spec / Grade is Recommended.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/274913-oil-test-results/page-2

Edited 4 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

I find the oil dipstick, (Non Vrs)  Quite tricky to even SEE the oil level, as did my dealer! Black dipstick on  diesel car, which as anyone who has run a diesel will know, will have the oil turning black within a few hundred miles of an oil change or service...

 

You have to clean the dipstick really well, after letting surplus oil drain down a bit to not give a false reading. Then on inspection, look closely at the dipstick, running your fingernail down until you see the oil pool on your nail. After a few goes, you will find the point when it just starts to do this and know where the level is.

 

I used to have a dipstick that had two sets of levels, hot and cold, on one of my vehicles and concluded that its hard to go wrong with that setup. Let it flow to the bottom for ten mins when hot, and check. 

 

Here's a good idea. Start from cold, have the correct amount and then check where that ends up when hot. It will inevitably be higher up the dipstick.

Then, if you've been driving and your car drinks oil, you'll know where to stop filling to. Also, slightly lower then full is better then overfilled so if you're not sure, fill to around the middle of the levels, after all, one is the min, the other the max so in between SHOULD be good. Drive very hard and you may get a hotter engine but in normal parameters, things should work out. This will mean very regular checks if you burn oil but hey- isn't that part and parcel of owning the performance model?

 

Do any owners have a metallic coloured dipstick? if so, are they the same length and easy to read? 

But it is not higher up the Dipstick of a vRS when the Oil is Hot.

It is higher when 'All' the Cold oil is in the Sump.   

 

It was Hot, it was around the Oil Channels, in the Head, in the Filter, 

you parked, and almost all all then went back into the sump.   Thats just how it is.

Capacity of only 3.6 litres.

 

Same Dipstick as on other engines, 3.6, 3.9. 4.2 litre capacity is used. Same Length, same markings.

Edited 4 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Vxh26-

Mate, it's certainly not because the oil is cheap, it's an offer on a premium product that is vw 502 spec. Their spec for fixed servicing.

Each to their own.

I do a proper hot check of the oil and it's perfectly repeatable. I can't really do a cold check as my drive has a heck of an incline. The hot check I do is:

 

1.  Drive car until oil temperature reaches at least 90C.

2.  Pull onto the same position on the same flat piece of ground every time. (There's a small layby just up the road from my house)

3.  If the oil's hotter than 90C then let it idle until it is 90C +/- 1C.

4.  Turn the engine off.

5.  Wait 4 minutes and 50 seconds.

6.  Pull the dipstick and wipe it clean.

7.  At the 5 minute point dip the oil.

 

I only ever top up when the oil's at the bottom of the hatched area and at that point put 400grammes of oil in. ~500ml

How goes your collection of paper clips Phil?

How goes your collection of paper clips Phil?

Think you've got me confused with someone else.

Can you check it via the level sender using VCDS?

That could give some useful comparisons between hot/warm/cold readings if it's possible.

 

Reason I think it might be is that when playing around with VCDS on my Polo (9N)  a while back, I saw this info within the Instruments module:

 

 

Don't really know how to interpret the various numbers, but presumably they go up and down with oil level. Maybe the MB7 number is the instantaneous level?

The Low Oil Light or Warning Message does not come on in some cars before the Low Oil Pressure Light or Warning.

And the engine can be 1.5 Litres low and no Low Oil Warning light shows.

So i doubt very much that that is much use.

Edited 5 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Just because the threshold for a warning is at a particular level, doesn't mean that the absolute reading isn't available to be read by this means any time, I wouldn't have thought?

 

I shall pop out and see what it's reading right now.

 

Edited 5 December, 201510 yr by Wino

It would have been good then if Volkswagen Bothered their back end to have given Oil Level Readings to the Driver.

 

It would have been good if they had communicated with Owners and changed the Owners Manuals as they said they would, 

to word / translate them the same as in the Polo.

 

So much VW could have done, but they never bothered, they Revised / Updated engines and never changed anything in the Service Schedule 

other than the Variable Servicing.

 

They even had it so when Owners asked to go top Fixed Servicing they would lose the Oil Temp display because Factory Trained 

Technicians knew jack **** often.

 

All people wanted was to see they had enough oil in without all the palaver , it is just a 1390 cc engine car after all.

Edited 5 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

It must be hard to remain so resolutely positive.

I am positive, positive that the Oil was not an issue if people understood what they had.

The issue was the Manufacturers not actually bothering to explain.

I have the cars, and checking the oil is simple, you just use common sense.

 

Volkswagen were the people that let the customers down and discontinued building and selling the engines because their Quality Control

and Engine building was gash..

 

?

Have you had any dealings with these engines, looked at the sensors or plugged into the OBD?

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

Edited 5 December, 201510 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot