Hi!

 

Got some "problems" with my DSG when shifting down from 3rd to 2nd gear in Drive mode. Just in the rpm range where the gearbox shifts down from 3rd to 2nd (lets say 25-27 km/h - 15-17 mph) and I hit the gas again, it feels like the clutch is still active and I can see the revs going up before it finally get the gearbox to drive again (In time I think its not more than ½ sec). This often leads to some jerky driving in city traffic in this speeds if I'm not very easy on the gas pedal. 

 

Anyone recognize this in their own DSG RS? I went to the dealer and they told me that it is like that to drive a DSG in the more sporty cars...I'm not sure if they were honest...but after that I have been reading some threads in other VAG forums it seems that it is quite common for Golf GTI's. I'm not sure if the car had this behavior from the factory or not...but when you beginning to think about it is hard to remove the thought:) 

 

The DSG has been reset at service point with no difference. 

 

Thanks!

 

BR

Jon

Although a much older car than yours it's fundamentally the same gearbox but maybe some tweaks to software etc.

 

I too have the same on mine so think this is more a quirk of the DSG.

 

Like you say unless you're really gentle as it changes down it's quite jerky. I can only put it down to that there's a bigger difference in the ratios between 3rd and 2nd and just like driving a manual you have to be very steady to achieve a smooth transition down.

 

I think because it trying to match the revs as it switches the clutches unless you're gentle it seems to struggle to match them smoothly.

 

I notice it all the time when coming home as I have to slow right down for a blind bend on our street and it changes to 2nd. I've learned to avoid any jerks now though and just apply very light pressure till I can feel the drive engage again.

 

Phil

Edited 28 January, 201610 yr by Phil-E

Thanks for the answer! Sounds just like my DSG behavior! As you said, I have learned how to behave to avoid the jerky shiftings. 

 

/Jon

Have you got it in eco mode? As I find that gear changes are not as smooth in that setting.

Overall (maybe because this is a petrol) I find the mk3 not as smooth as my mk2FL (which was diesel).

Have you got it in eco mode? As I find that gear changes are not as smooth in that setting.

Overall (maybe because this is a petrol) I find the mk3 not as smooth as my mk2FL (which was diesel).

 

Havn't driving it in Eco mode for a long time:) But I can try tomorrow! Usually I drive in Normal mode...

Worth trying Eco mode as it disengages the gears on the overrun and on downhill sections, it the re-engages whichever gear is suitable for the speed and throttle position as you re-apply the throttle again and is a lot smoother than normal mode.

But TBH on my Golf DSG I have not suffered the jerky transmission in any mode.

Actually i would say who you spoke to at the Dealership was not honest or very knowledgeable on the Skoda Octavia vRS TSI 220 DSG.

Just talking nonsense really, so what was their job in the Dealership?

Edited 28 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Actually i would say who you spoke to at the Dealership was not honest or very knowledgeable on the Skoda Octavia vRS TSI 220 DSG.

Just talking nonsense really, so what was their job in the Dealership?

 

The one I was talking to was the service manager at the dealership. I think I will go back to them again and tell them to do a deeper research. They also said that they didn't have lots of experience of the RS models, but told me that the demo car they had in the car hall had the same behavior...

 

Best way for me is to call them again and say that I have test driven a similar car and that there was no problems with that cars gear changes!

 

Thanks for your answers! 

 

/Jon

My petrol VRS DSG doesn't suffer from what you describe, certainly worth having a more assertive conversation with the dealer.

I did some testing yesterday in mine.

 

Think I've figured out the cause of my "issue". It seems to only happen if I've come off the throttle and let the speed drop and then as it's changing into 2nd if I apply throttle again it's a little hesitant.

 

If I let it engage the gear before pressing the throttle there is no hesitation. Also if I keep my foot on the throttle slightly but let it slow down and down shift it's fine.

 

So I think it's more an issue of applying throttle at the wrong time and catching the gearbox out. Much like changing your throttle pressure too quickly between on-off-on where the gearbox pre-selects a gear but then your throttle makes it's have to de-select that gear and change to another on.

 

Like I say it's no longer an issue as I just wait a second longer to get back on the throttle and let the gearbox think!

Will contact them next week and see if I can make them change their mind

I did some testing yesterday in mine.

 

Think I've figured out the cause of my "issue". It seems to only happen if I've come off the throttle and let the speed drop and then as it's changing into 2nd if I apply throttle again it's a little hesitant.

 

If I let it engage the gear before pressing the throttle there is no hesitation. Also if I keep my foot on the throttle slightly but let it slow down and down shift it's fine.

 

So I think it's more an issue of applying throttle at the wrong time and catching the gearbox out. Much like changing your throttle pressure too quickly between on-off-on where the gearbox pre-selects a gear but then your throttle makes it's have to de-select that gear and change to another on.

 

Like I say it's no longer an issue as I just wait a second longer to get back on the throttle and let the gearbox think!

 

Same here, now I know how to behave to avoid this kind of jerkiness, but something when your in a hurry (like always driving a RS ) you forget to take it easy on the throttle, you end up angry with the car!!

 

It's not much you feel, and some of you may not even care about it, but when you start to think about it its quite annoying...

One thing to do is not compare a DSG in a petrol with a DSG with a diesel.

One does the job brilliantly,

and the other gets along OK as an Automated Manual fitted to a TDI Engine.

 

So Automatics (Automated Manuals), but different in how they behave, even if only a little bit.

Jerky is wrong, 

even Dr Martin Winterkorn VW CEO (Gone, caught cheating and maybe lying) and the Engineers Engineer would have noticed it was wrong, faulty, needing a Software Update or the likes.

 

Good Luck, 

be sure to have a Mastrer Tech / Workshop Manager or the Dealer Principal go out and drive your car, and see if it is Jerky, 

then maybe go out in their 'Company Car' and see if it is Jerky.

Edited 29 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

One thing to do is not compare a DSG in a petrol with a DSG with a diesel.

One does the job brilliantly,

and the other gets along OK as an Automated Manual fitted to a TDI Engine.

 

So Automatics (Automated Manuals), but different in how they behave, even if only a little bit.

Not sure I buy the diesel/petrol thing.

There are differences between the 7 speed dry clutch and the 6 speed wet in this way though...with the 7 having more of a automated manual characteristic.

Both a pretty good though IMO

Drive them and see for yourself, then maybe you can decide. 

As far as i am concerned there are differences with different petrols and 6 speed wet clutch DSG, and 6 speed Wet Clutch on different diesels,

different power outputs.

(then you also have 7 speed Dry Clutch DSG on Petrols & on Diesels that also have different feelings,. all work though. except when broken obviously, or needing Resets / Updates etc.)

 

Some Twin Dry Clutch 7 speed DSG can be a treat compared to a 6 speed wet clutch, 

but again, drive them and 'You Decide'. 

Still all are good, just some are More Good than others!!

Edited 29 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Drive them and see for yourself, then maybe you can decide. 

As far as i am concerned there are differences with different petrols and 6 speed wet clutch DSG, and 6 speed Wet Clutch on different diesels,

different power outputs.

(then you also have 7 speed Dry Clutch DSG on Petrols & on Diesels that also have different feelings,. all work though. except when broken obviously, or needing Resets / Updates etc.)

 

Some Twin Dry Clutch 7 speed DSG can be a treat compared to a 6 speed wet clutch, 

but again, drive them and 'You Decide'. 

Still all are good, just some are More Good than others!!

Own a Mk7 Golf with 7 speed DSG. Driven a 6 speed before.

So that is 2 cars, not various different powered and ages of petrols and diesels to make much of a decision on, say a Caravelle TDI compared to a Superb 280ps 4x4..

Have you driven a 220ps TSI Octavia which is the subject of this thread.?

 

The dealership that the OP went to seemed to think that jerky downshifts are OK.

The point being, a 220ps TSI DSG is a nice thing to drive, smooth and no need to jerky downshifts or have issues with unlike some older underpowered diesels, hence why VW make improvements, updates and get rid of snagging faults.

 

Some cars owners / customers complain about are terrible, and yet a Dealership employee feels and can diagnose nothing,

In the UK those Employees are known as Tommy.   (Deaf dumb and blind.)

Edited 29 January, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

So that is 2 cars, not various different powered and ages of petrols and diesels to make much of a decision on, say a Caravelle TDI compared to a Superb 280ps 4x4..

Have you driven a 220ps TSI Octavia which is the subject of this thread.?

The dealership that the OP went to seemed to think that jerky downshifts are OK.

The point being, a 220ps TSI DSG is a nice thing to drive, smooth and no need to jerky downshifts or have issues with unlike some older underpowered diesels, hence why VW make improvements, updates and get rid of snagging faults.

Some cars owners / customers complain about are terrible, and yet a Dealership employee feels and can diagnose nothing,

In the UK those Employees are known as Tommy. (Deaf dumb and blind.)

IMO if there are issues with smoothness, regardless of diesel or petrol, it isn't a characteristic of any DSG.

Compared to a Honda or Citroen single clutch auto they are pretty smooth.

Hi!

Got some "problems" with my DSG when shifting down from 3rd to 2nd gear in Drive mode. Just in the rpm range where the gearbox shifts down from 3rd to 2nd (lets say 25-27 km/h - 15-17 mph) and I hit the gas again, it feels like the clutch is still active and I can see the revs going up before it finally get the gearbox to drive again (In time I think its not more than ½ sec). This often leads to some jerky driving in city traffic in this speeds if I'm not very easy on the gas pedal.

Anyone recognize this in their own DSG RS? I went to the dealer and they told me that it is like that to drive a DSG in the more sporty cars...I'm not sure if they were honest...but after that I have been reading some threads in other VAG forums it seems that it is quite common for Golf GTI's. I'm not sure if the car had this behavior from the factory or not...but when you beginning to think about it is hard to remove the thought:)

The DSG has been reset at service point with no difference.

Thanks!

BR

Jon

I noticed this exactly same problem on my Vrs.Also some strange sound from gearbox when it engages the gear again.

Did you find any solution?

Mine has started to get rather "snatchy" or "agressive" gear changes from 1st to 2nd and again from 3rd to 2nd. It also has sometimes what feels like the clutch being dumped when it does this.

 

I've had a "software" update, at the moment I'm only driving in normal mode as he other two modes are not overly great.

 

I will take it back in when I next have a day off.

 

As for dsg petrol vs diesel - I always found my diesel dsg very smooth, I cant say the petrol is as smooth at the moment. (Though it was to start with).

 

I've now got just under 12k miles on it.

Ive got a golf gti dsg and I have discovered that when I use it for a few weeks doing short runs that involves traffic and normal driving i.e. not having a blast, then after a while the 'box can display the symptoms described. After a good blast on the motorway involving some drop downs hard acceleration then it goes back to being super smooth. This can all be done within confines of the law, just use slip roads to accelerate when joining and make use of quiet motorways.

 

The software is constantly adapting to similar driving patterns and driving styles - I good stretch of the legs and a variation to the norm seems to really help.

 

Ive had other conventional auto's in the past (BMW) and they all behave in a similar way.

Thanks for the answer! Sounds just like my DSG behavior! As you said, I have learned how to behave to avoid the jerky shiftings. 

 

/Jon

Mines the same, there's just that 1 point where it takes ages to engage to clutch on the down shift - and you hit the gas.

For me it's when I turn in to a certain road on my commute, for me just shifting manually with the trigger on that 1 road is the workaround.

It just reverts back to D then

I occasionally get a jerk when the box goes from 2-3, not very often, but it does happen, it's the only thing that concerns me a bit with an otherwise excellent car.

Not had any issue on mine that has given me concern but I have noticed the odd occasion when it has done a sharp change. It tends to be when the box has been fooled and has the wrong gear preselected like when you are slowing down and then need to accelerate.

 

If I am coasting it tends to change up initially (I would guess pre-selecting the next higher gear) if I accelerate it changes down but it has the wrong gear preselected. If I give it some throttle doing this it does a bit of a rushed change which sometimes is a bit sharper than normal.

 

I guess it is only doing what I'm asking but I notice it as the other 99.9% of the time it's smooth as. I tend to be used to it now and either flick the paddle as said above or give it the slightest bit of throttle as I am slowing. 

 

Don't know if that is what people mean but that is the only thing I have seen on mine

Same here, 3 - 2 is quite bad, say turning into a junction, its goes from 3 - 2, I give it a bit of throttle and theres a delay then a jerk and its away.... Not impressed! Its in for a service tomorrow, they have been told about it so hopefully it will be sorted.