^^^^beating Toyota has become an obsession to no one's benefit other than the egos of management.

You should have told us about this method of running in before, Urrell.

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My VW manual says oil consumption can be up to 1L/2,000 km. and likely to be higher in the first 5,000 km.

 

My previous VAG, Audi A4, used oil all it's working life which never bothered me. I used the assumption a pint of new oil every few months did it good.

You should have told us about this method of running in before, Urrell.

 

 

 

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My previous VAG, Audi A4, used oil all it's working life which never bothered me. I used the assumption a pint of new oil every few months did it good.

 

I refer you to my previous reply to Freedie.

Using oil means it is getting past the rings because of poor rings to bore sealing, also combustion gasses are getting into the oil contaminating it so it will need changing more often.

If you are not interested in knowing what goes on in an engine don't take the **** out of somebody giving advice from most engine builders without putting your reasons why it is not the thing to do.

Running in at reduced engine speeds and loads may have had a bearing 40 years ago but with modern materials and engineering tolerances things have changed.

Lets hear how you "Run in" your Audi A4 (and other vehicles) so we know how we can all use oil too.

My Yeti was bought as an ex-demonstrator, with 3k miles on the clock. I have no doubt that it was not run-in carefully since it was probably driven by lots of people. It has now done 101k miles and still doesn't use any oil between services.

 

Please note, this is not a comment about anyone else's method.

 

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Must be the time of year, because there do seem to be some very argumentative postings across the whole Forum at the moment. 

 

Enjoy life people, it's too short as it is!

I refer you to my previous reply to Freedie.

Using oil means it is getting past the rings because of poor rings to bore sealing, also combustion gasses are getting into the oil contaminating it so it will need changing more often.

If you are not interested in knowing what goes on in an engine don't take the **** out of somebody giving advice from most engine builders without putting your reasons why it is not the thing to do.

Running in at reduced engine speeds and loads may have had a bearing 40 years ago but with modern materials and engineering tolerances things have changed.

Lets hear how you "Run in" your Audi A4 (and other vehicles) so we know how we can all use oil too.

As stated above it is referred to in the manual. Or do you not believe the manual. It is also a very well known aspect of Audi cars, has been for years. The guy in the above video had not even covered 5km miles so I am not sure what he is whinging about. Perhaps he should have read the manual.

 

Being an expert on all things VAG I thought you would know this.

 

Ohhh I am wrong...it's 1l/1000km for the Audi

 

Edited 22 February, 201610 yr by DonjSZ5

If it's in the manual it must be right then, carry on with what you know to be the best way of doing it

 

Edit as you have to your previous post: Sarcasm is the LOWEST form of wit.
You may know it all but I am always learning.

Edited 22 February, 201610 yr by Urrell

If it's in the manual it must be right then, carry on with what you know to be the best way of doing it

 

Edit as you have to your previous post: Sarcasm is the LOWEST form of wit.

You may know it all but I am always learning.

Don't get too upset, we all have to learn.

I'm sure a good few vehicles have high oil consumption due to being driven too carefully during the bed in period of up to about 300 - 400 miles.

I have driven all my new vehicles spiritedly without lugging or over revving the engine after getting engine (and gearbox) up to temperature for the last 30 years and have never had to top up oil between oil changes on any of them.

I've been reading about VW oil consumption problems wit VW group cars since I bought mine in 2007. 

 

There's no logic to if they use oil or not.  I've seen them run in hard, medium & babied and they either use oil or not. 

I'd just like to know if there is a specific reason for it.

Are all the engines manufactured in German?.

Ohhh I am wrong...it's 1l/1000km for the Audi

Interestingly Audi's website states 0.5 litre/1000 Km

https://www.audi.co.uk/about-audi/latest-news/audi-uk-bbc-watchdog-oil-consumption-june-2015.html

Jim

I have had 2 x Mk2 Golfs and a G60 corrado. The first golf and corrado were very low mileage cars, they both used little if any oil, the corrado had other probs so was dumped with about 30k on it conversely the Golf continue to 270k with little engine attention, only belt changes when reqd, that was eventully changed for another Golf, with 30k on the clock, had been a doctors car, which presumably had had lots of stop/start motoring, that was an absolute glutton for oil, needless to say it didn't last long. all engines were 1.8l and naturally aspirated.

Don't get too upset, we all have to learn.

I completely rebuilt my first engine 50 years ago in 2 months time (Ford Anglia 105e) but am still learning.

Interestingly Audi's website states 0.5 litre/1000 Km

https://www.audi.co.uk/about-audi/latest-news/audi-uk-bbc-watchdog-oil-consumption-june-2015.html

Jim

the manual I show is from 1998...they are getting better.

I completely rebuilt my first engine 50 years ago in 2 months time (Ford Anglia 105e) but am still learning.

and me a 1600 Hillman in 1976

Stop moaning!!

My old Series 3 Petrol Land Rover used to use nearly as much oil as it did petrol!!

Didn't use to bother draining it much, just used to put a new filter on it.

 

And then there was the transfer box, gear box, front and rear axles!!

 

If it didn't burn it, it leaked it!!

If you care to check the figure that the VW Group Brands give as the possible oil use,  them being VW, Audi, Skoda & Seat.

 

the figure 0.5 litres 1000km is given for 

3, 4, 5, 6  cylinder engines, petrol and diesels starting at 44 kw and going higher, much higher & from 2009 on with Euro 5 engines.

 

It is a cover all statement & sets out Driver Styles, types of use etc that is a nonsense other than some of their poorly built engines 

do use this much oil, and would and do require a litre of expensive oil for every 3 tanks of fuel even when the vehicle might produce under 200bhp and never exceed UK NSL's.

 

Now when the VWG publish the Fuel Economy and Emissions under EU Testing, and maybe annual running costs, 

they never mention Main Dealer Prices of 4 litres or so at Fixed Servicing and 12-16 litres of oil usage between services,

Using oil means it is getting past the rings because of poor rings to bore sealing, also combustion gasses are getting into the oil contaminating it so it will need changing more often.

 

Possibly, but not always and not all of it.  Some oil use is inevitable (yes, inevitable - there's no such thing as an engine that "doesn't use a drop").  This is because oil is made mostly of... well, oil.  As such it is a mixture of chemicals with varying boiling points.  This means that some amount of volatility is always experienced, meaning that when it gets hot some of the oil simply evaporates and exits the engine via the crankcase breather.  The VW 504 00/507 00 specification testing requires a maximum volatility of 11% (by mass) using the "Noack" volatility test (250°C for one hour, with air blown through it).

 

So, quite apart from other mechanical oil loss mechanisms (valve stems, turbo seals, joint leaks etc) there is always going to be some, though it should not be worryingly noticeable.

 

 

...also combustion gasses are getting into the oil contaminating it so it will need changing more often.

 

Just to add to this bit, if you are having excessive blow-by then not only is the oil getting contaminated by exhaust gases, it is being 'blasted' by the hot gases, leading to further evaporation and oxidation of the oil.

 

So where does the oil go?  Well, if it is getting past the piston rings it is being burnt in the combustion chamber and going down the exhaust.  This could lead to piston, spark plug and turbo turbine deposits and DPF blocking/catalyst poisoning.  If it is evaporating from the sump then it is going out through the crankcase breather, which puts it through the EGR and turbo impeller.  Small amounts of volatiles is not a problem but a large dose of oil through this pathway could lead to deposits on inlet and intake components.

At least the Diesel Particulate Filter blocking will not be an issue on the petrol engines being discussed in this thread.

The ones that use excessive oil, and which pass MOT tests and seldom are putting oil out exhaust tail pipes but which do have issues sometimes with the Catalytic Converters with the oil contamination.

At least when the old Ford engines ,usually the 105e Anglia/cortina had their common problem of worn out oil/piston rings that so much crank case compression was produced,mixed with the oil and came out of a breather pipe on the side of the engine and was clearly visible in the headlights of cars following at night that it looked like you were behind an old diesel but at least it was a reasonable diy job to fix with the head and sump off,pistons out and replaced,happy days? Or was it just so long ago?

Edited 24 February, 201610 yr by Sad555

^^^^ thems were the days )))

Not to mention the super tankers washing out their tanks mid ocean....I said not to mention them.

Hi Tall_Tim, I have a 2012 1.8 tsi DSG Yeti with 37,000km on the clock. I prefer to keep my oil level at the maximum and because of this have added aproximately 1/3rd of a litre of oil during this time. If I was not so particular I probably would not have needed to add any oil. I cannot suggest that my Yeti is typical or has been especially run-in differently to others. However, I must admit that I did not treat the engine softly or two harshly during the running-in period, having given it a bit of a push at times, but not thrashed.

Guys thanks for all of your responses.  The car dealership has offered a full refund, it was consuming about 2l of oil per 1000Ks

 

Now I have the task of finding another with the same spec.. guessing this could take a while

I am pleased to read you have been able to obtain a full refund from the car dealership and hope you are able to locate a vehicle to suit your needs.