Hi everyone. New to this forum. Skoda Ireland have started to roll out software updates for all vehicles affected by the emissions scandal. I have the 2.0 140bhp engine in mine. What will the software update mean for my car. Will there be a drop in bhp or increased fuel bills. Also can i refuse to have update completed. Thanks for any advice.

no-one knows cos none have been done yet

 

im going last after a review and road test by Autocar

Drop of horsepower. How much, not quite clear yet.

At least here the software update is voluntary. You only have to sign acknowledgement that you refused to update. Warranty will still be valid and there will be no problems with MOT.

 

P.S. There is a thread in SIII forum, where one member got his 190 HP diesel dynod and the output at flywheel was lousy 170 HP. Overall guess was, due to emissions.

Edited 8 March, 201610 yr by linni

Drop of horsepower. How much, not quite clear yet.

At least here the software update is voluntary. You only have to sign acknowledgement that you refused to update. Warranty will still be valid and there will be no problems with MOT.

 

P.S. There is a thread in SIII forum, where one member got his 190 HP diesel dynod and the output at flywheel was lousy 170 HP. Overall guess was, due to emissions.

Was the dyno before and after the software update?

Who's going to know or check ? Will they issue a certificate? Will the mot man check?

This is the most recent correspondence from Skoda Ireland in relation to this issue.  I received this in the post today.  Unsurprisingly, they are claiming 'no adverse on performance'.....hmmm!

 

Edited 8 March, 201610 yr by Superb170

Was the dyno before and after the software update?

This was Superb III, which do not get the update, but probably will leave the factory with updated software already.

 

 

 

 

Drop of horsepower. How much, not quite clear yet.

At least here the software update is voluntary. You only have to sign acknowledgement that you refused to update. Warranty will still be valid and there will be no problems with MOT.

 

P.S. There is a thread in SIII forum, where one member got his 190 HP diesel dynod and the output at flywheel was lousy 170 HP. Overall guess was, due to emissions.

 

 

id say its impossible to know what the flywheel HP is on any engine thats in a car as its measure at the road wheels, any flywheel figure is theoretical, the 190 would be flywheel and 170 at the road isnt so bad

 

 

 

 

Drop of horsepower. How much, not quite clear yet...............I hope not, ive got 105ps (flywheel) to start off with

Edited 12 March, 201610 yr by lichfielddriver

I am not a dyno guru, but this is pretty clear that it is really easy to measure frictions and power loss in drivedrains. They even have formulas to calculate flywheel power, once measured at the wheels.

 

I would say 170 horses at flywheel = 128 horses at wheels. Instead of promised 190. Niothing to be proud of.

Edited 12 March, 201610 yr by linni

This is the most recent correspondence from Skoda Ireland in relation to this issue.  I received this in the post today.  Unsurprisingly, they are claiming 'no adverse on performance'.....hmmm!

 

Got mine too. Info from the trade says only change is to delete the "cheat" software

Got mine too. Info from the trade says only change is to delete the "cheat" software

 

That can't be right, can it?  I mean, the whole point is that these vehicles will actually fail the US regulatory tests without the cheat SW in place.  If they just remove the cheat, then those cars would have to go off the road.

Edited 12 March, 201610 yr by jimbof

That can't be right, can it?  I mean, the whole point is that these vehicles will actually fail the US regulatory tests without the cheat SW in place.  If they just remove the cheat, then those cars would have to go off the road.

Mine doesn't fail NCT  tests at the moment and wont fail after the update.  I've no intention of taking it to the US so it will never be an issue. 

Then again if you guys leave the EU and join the US it would be a problem

That's not the point though.  These cars wouldn't fail a UK MOT either - NOx emissions are not tested.

 

The point is that they are saying there will be no performance hit whatsoever from the updates, which is a bit hard to believe.  The "cheat software" is there specifically to change the way the engine runs when testing, because the cars can't pass US NOx testing with "normal" running parameters.  They would be running whatever map passes the tests all the time if there wasn't some other issue with it - which will either be poor performance, economy, driveability or durability.  I read a US report where they managed to get some test results out of a vehicle in cheat mode and it was slower accelerating and less economical.

 

If the fix were just to disable the cheat software then the vehicles, then that would not fix the US issue.

 

I think until someone gets these cars with the software on them and runs them through a series of lab tests we won't know what has really been done and how it impacts the vehicles.  It might be the case that they do different things to fix vehicles in Europe to the US (as European regs are more lax), but that would really be VW giving the EU the finger, and I'm not sure their rep would survive that.

 

 

I think until someone gets these cars with the software on them and runs them through a series of lab tests we won't know what has really been done and how it impacts the vehicles.  It might be the case that they do different things to fix vehicles in Europe to the US (as European regs are more lax), but that would really be VW giving the EU the finger, and I'm not sure their rep would survive that.

 

That's correct, until we actually see the results its just pure speculation. However EU cars do not have to meet US specs so our "fix" is going to be completely different, similar to what Jag had to do to the E Type lights to sell in the US. Around the same time CAT tried to sell a dozer in the UK that was ok in the states but the UK deemed it to noisy!!

Whats far more interesting is whats going to happen in some court rulings. In simple terms the EU are not going to drop VW in it. 

Have you noticed how quiet all other manufacturers have been? 

This was Superb III, which do not get the update, but probably will leave the factory with updated software already.

 

It's not just updated software - the Superb II & III will always be different beasts as the MKII was designed for euro 5 and the MKIII for euro 6 that will include extra components such as SCR/adblue and more complex EGR (on the diesel)