I am very impressed with the seating platform and the roof bars.

 

If they did one without the 3rd row of seats and a varifloor I would be up for one when they are a few years old.

 

I like the driving position in the Yeti but miss the loading length of the Octavia, the Yeti makes poor use of space.

 

The Galaxy and Alhambra were good for what I did back then, I thought about a Touran as a good compromise between Octavia and Galaxy but no variofloor which is something I can no longer live without.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/497379-2021-dacia-sandero-stepway

 

That new Jogger looks like its based on the latest Renault Express van. Same body, just has some new Sandero panels wrapped around the front.

 

Speaking of Sandero, Dacias customer satisfaction score in the UK is going to  get trashed as the new car has some endemic faults in RHD.  Not to mention the near impossibility of getting one delivered to Britain in the first place,  whilst in the EU it can pretty much be bought off the shelf.

 

Edited 22 September, 20214 yr by camelspyyder

VFM,

which even the new Mk4 Fabia is not and no Estate available.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do wish they're bring the "real" estate back, e.g the Logan. I do like Dacias, or at least the pair we have are excellent so far. The Duster is three years old (2019 pre-reg, wasn't bought till 2020), and the Sandero is eight years old this year. Good, practical cars IMO, I still prefer my Mk1 Fabia over the Sandero for the specs alone, however.

I had a good poke around a showroom car today, but i manual.

It was comfy for me and i will be going to try a hybrid when the dealers get demonstrators. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 03/02/2023 at 15:26, toot said:

I had a good poke around a showroom car today, but i manual.

It was comfy for me and i will be going to try a hybrid when the dealers get demonstrators. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 03/02/2023 at 15:26, toot said:

 

 

We have had the 1.6 naturally aspirated engined, 90 hp linked to the 50 hp or so electric in the ETECH Arkana for at least a year and the Arkana forum generally like it in urban areas but I have heard quite a few complaints about it perceived over-revving from the petrol engine which, being non turbo has not got much torque and the little hybrid battery will only give it a few seconds of kick and then wants more charging.

 

The gearbox for ICE is only 4 speeds and there have been complaints that the car hangs on to lower gears too long ie it sounds like it is thrashing the engine and just will not change up to the next gear.

There is a fix which is changing up sooner but presumably it then just bogs down a bit.  Why Renault have not link the ETECH to one of the 1 litre, or 1.3 litre TCE like in my Arkana, might be for keeping the cost low. 

 

Relatively we have very few issues in the 140 TCE engined very mild hybrid ie it does coasting and twin clutch opening simultaneously can get the fairly largish car well in the 50s mpg which is good enough for me.

 

Only if i did 90% plus of my driving in cities would I  consider the ETECH system when the excellent 1.3 TCE engine is available.  140 hp form usually in Renault, sometime 160 hp sometimes as supplied and used in small Mercs and chippable up to 200 hp.   

 

I like the Jogger, as I did the Lodgy which did get the 1.3 TCE engine, hopefully the Jogger will to at sometime soon.

 

@lol-lol

I liked the Clio E-Tech 145 with the 1.6 n/a engine i tried drove yesterday.

I see this 'special limited edition' in the vid has heated seats and steering wheel but that is not available in the cars on sale just now.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 6 February, 20233 yr by toot

13 hours ago, toot said:

@lol-lol

I liked the Clio E-Tech 145 with the 1.6 n/a engine i tried drove yesterday.

I see this 'special limited edition' in the vid has heated seats and steering wheel but that is not available in the cars on sale just now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I love my Clio which was one of the first of the Mark 4 models as mine is an 14 plate.  The little 0.9 litre, 898 cc, engine, I think is a gem, bit of torque with the turbo ie as much as the 1.6 litre naturally aspirated engine and for the driving I do ie mainly A road and motorway, I think the e-tech Clio would not be worth the extra cost and would not do much better mpg overall with its less efficient combustion engine and the etech system rarely kicking in for my driving habits.

 

On the run I get mid 60s mpg, indicated on the computer. My model is the Nav S with many options on it including the 17 inch wheel, rather have the 16s I reckon.

On journeys with little to no slowing, stopping and re-accelerating to speed I strong suspect the plain old TCE non Etech will be as frugal as the Etech version, depends were you drive.

Recent software changes seem to have reduced the high revving and holding on to gears in the E-Tech, probably worse in the Arkana as a bigger car, but with only 4 gears for the Etech, with just a 1.2 kWh battery, and a natural aspirated engine it is a combination that cannot be good on long upward hills and times when regen low but power needed repeatedly I hear from the Arkana ETECH guys and gals.

     

 

Maybe Dacia will be different from Skoda as in they will get publicity from Motorsport but actually then offer Sporty cars that customers can buy from showrooms / dealerships.

 

Skoda have the Rally success and motorsport history and all you can get are 150ps Fabia, Scala or Kamiq.

Or a Taxi / Airport size Octavia with 245 ps.  

Not that Skoda have anything that size in Motorsport. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 5 July, 20232 yr by toot

On 05/07/2023 at 08:15, toot said:

Maybe Dacia will be different from Skoda as in they will get publicity from Motorsport but actually then offer Sporty cars that customers can buy from showrooms / dealerships.

Skoda have the Rally success and motorsport history and all you can get are 150ps Fabia, Scala or Kamiq.

Or a Taxi / Airport size Octavia with 245 ps.   Not that Skoda have anything that size in Motorsport. 

 

 

I think Renault have a different outlook to VW Group which is good for China but not good for the Czechia, as we are supposed to call it now, not sure what that means for Romania but in general mass car manufacturing is leaving Europe en masse.  

 

The Renault factory in Morocco made Europe's best selling car for April 2023 ie the Sandero and the Dongfeng/Dacia Spring has been Europe's best selling  EV for under £40k most months.

 

Renault does seem to have many things right over the last few years whereas most other European HQ car firms have not and need to move quickly to avoid oblivion.

 

 

We can look forward to the UK launch ie the Right Hand Drive Dacia Spring next year which has been a top seller in Europe but not made in RHD only LHD.

 

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/news/coming-soon-dacia-spring?lid=librtewvkfeh&utm_source=consumer-marketing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=at_braze_cars_web_email_scheduled_monthly_bau_electric-newsletter-july23&utm_term=cars&utm_content=

I hope that the New Dacia petrol estate car they are going to sell supposedly starting from under £25,000 will be a fully sorted model and a competition for an Octavia estate which have on the road starting prices from near £29,500.

46 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

I hope that the New Dacia petrol estate car they are going to sell supposedly starting from under £25,000 will be a fully sorted model and a competition for an Octavia estate which have on the road starting prices from near £29,500.

Dacia, Renault sub division, seem to be going great guns, whether the UK will get all the models is another thing.

I hope people don't get sucked in to the hybrid thing. Our Clio hybrid was OK for most of the 2 year PCP but when they go wrong they can go wrong big time.

I like the Hipster thing and I think there is going to be a Dacia version of the Twingo to.

Even the revised Spring has had so much upgrades like roll bar, power.

Seats were dreadful, bad enough to steer me away from getting one so went for base model R5.

Estate could grab some more market for Dacia. Had a Daicia Logan estate about a decade OK, not too bad. It was £10k and then I got £1k back when I trader it back in. The 0.9 l engine was a bit over worked, blew the gearbox up, did get 115 out of it though, great value car. Would expect the Dacia estate to be more like 25K but deposit might be 40% as new Renault CEO is a different kind of guy to the previous one plus even though interest rates are lower the Dacia loan rates were not that great.

Hi , Dacia is £25,000 and the Skoda is £29500.

To my mind the question I would ask is the Skoda worth the extra £4500.

To my mind yes but others may disagree.

@dsgman We will see when we see what is on offer for under £25,000 once they show us and we will know what the Octavias starting prices are after their next price increase. Skoda need to get to grip with QC and after sales in the UK.

Hi Evaluation 13 ,

What you said re Skoda and quality control I believe that statement could be said of other German premium brand's

My overall experience with Skoda customer service compares favourably with Mercedes apart from one area , the Mercedes service manager has forgotten more than the Skoda service manager has ever known.

Looking forward to seeing in the flesh and driving the new Dacia Striker. Price from £22,000. 2 Mild Hybrid engines 128bhp & 138bhp & a Full Hybrid 153 bhp. Also an option of 4 wheel drive 1.2 litre petrol with an electric motor driving the rear wheels

Edited 15 March15 Mar by Evolution13

Yep looks to be an interesting proposition and I still like the look of the new Duster and Bigster

7 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

Looking forward to seeing in the flesh and driving the new Dacia Striker. Price from £22,000. 2 Mild Hybrid engines 128bhp & 138bhp & a Full Hybrid 153 bhp. Also an option of 4 wheel drive 1.2 litre petrol with an electric motor driving the rear wheels

Love them, aways have a look at them when visiting the Renault showroom.

Just a warning that the hybrids, all version I reckon, are complex and do go wrong sometimes as we found out in our Clio that went back after 2 years as became a lemon. One daughters simple 1 litre TCE was as economical and simple, cheaper etc, not as nice to drive but hybrid is a con trick in my opinion and millions will find this out over the next few years. Simple petrol or full electric. Revised 100 hp Spring is much better than the Mk1 65 hp one and incredibly cheap to buy and run. Hope there are some more pure electric Dacia and Dacia-Renault understand in today's world anything with an ICE engine is susceptible to foreign wars !

@lol-lol Pretty crap if Dacia are launching new models and carrying over faults / issues from previous Dacia or Renaults. That would make them just like Skoda / VW Group.

8 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@lol-lol Pretty crap if Dacia are launching new models and carrying over faults / issues from previous Dacia or Renaults. That would make them just like Skoda / VW Group.

Our Clio hybrid went nuts when it was RAC rescued after I attended a sponsored Ferrari event at Oulton Park and the car was never the same again. Renault boasted the car had 15 different modes it could choose in balancing the ICE and EV system. After that RAC flat bed recovery, which started with a simple flat tyre, the car was never the same again. Fortunately we were just about to give it back but I have heard it has been back 3 times since then and finally formally rejected with Renault-Dacia garage unable to properly fix.

My prediction is that hybrids, self charging and PHEVs, will be as much of a unhappy owners as Diesel dis- satisfaction, Dieselgate etc.

Be one or other, pure EV or pure ICE. Maybe ICE with free wheeling and cylinder deactivation though.

Looking at EREVs but suspect it bus mire of the same but seems to be the latest thing.

Edited 15 March15 Mar by lol-lol

Predictions should not be necessary. Toyota has had 30 years of experience and development with hybrids. I know they can coc-k up, but maybe i need to check out what is the best of those from pre 2024. Petrol / hybrid & automatic.

41 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Predictions should not be necessary. Toyota has had 30 years of experience and development with hybrids. I know they can coc-k up, but maybe i need to check out what is the best of those from pre 2024. Petrol / hybrid & automatic.

New Pruis is pretty good. Taxi drivers would not use by the bucket load if it was not very good. The little 8 kw motor on the rear wheels, brilliant, 4x4 on the cheap. On the other hand their launch of the BZ4 was disastrous. It took Bjorn Nyland to tell them their battery buffering was all wrong !!!!

Edited 16 March16 Mar by lol-lol

@lol-lol Are they actually plugging in and charging them before and during shifts? Taxi drivers will use any old crap if they running costs, lease, daily / weekly costs look low.

Edited 16 March16 Mar by Evolution13